70th Week Gap - by a Post-Tribber :)

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This is rich - this guy confuses Matthew 16's Prophesied Messianic Church [Daniel's End-time Messianic Assembly] with Paul's Mystery Age Church, or Assembly, and as a result ends up Post-Trib [Law: Lev. 26; Dan. 9's prayer; Rom. 2] rather than Pre-Trib [Grace: Rom. 3; Rom. 5; 1 Thess. 1; 1 Thess. 5].

But because he confuses them as one and the same Prophesied assembly, he still ended up rightly dividing, or laying out aright the word of truth, at least as to Israel's Prophesied 70the Week Gap right where it is to be found - within Israel's Seven [no surprise there] Feasts :thumbsup:

Way ta go Gavin - you're just one step away from the prize of the mark of the high calling in Christ that is Romans 5!!!

http://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks14.pdf

A CHART OF THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL
 

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This is rich - this guy confuses Matthew 16's Prophesied Messianic Church [Daniel's End-time Messianic Assembly] with Paul's Mystery Age Church, or Assembly, and as a result ends up Post-Trib [Law: Lev. 26; Dan. 9's prayer; Rom. 2] rather than Pre-Trib [Grace: Rom. 3; Rom. 5; 1 Thess. 1; 1 Thess. 5].

But because he confuses them as one and the same Prophesied assembly, he still ended up rightly dividing, or laying out aright the word of truth, at least as to Israel's Prophesied 70the Week Gap right where it is to be found - within Israel's Seven [no surprise there] Feasts :thumbsup:

Way ta go Gavin - you're just one step away from the prize of the mark of the high calling in Christ that is Romans 5!!!

http://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks14.pdf

A CHART OF THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL


One would think that a "doctor" could read a little better.


Like many others, the MD has added a manmade gap of undetermined length to the 490 year time prophecy given by the angel Gabriel and has taken a covenant confirmed by Christ and changed it into a treaty broken by the antichrist.

Talk about being rich!

And then we are told this is a "literal interpretation" of scripture.


Who Confirmed The Covenant?
Who Confirmed The Covenant? | Christian Media Research


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The Abomination of Desolation Revealed in the Parallel Texts…

Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not,[/COLOR] (let him that readeth understand,) [COLOR="Red[B][U]"]then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains[/U][/B]:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh(near).
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. (Occurred in 70 AD)


Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. (Some ate their children in 70 AD.)
Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
Luk 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
Luk 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?


The Jewish leadership accused Stephen of saying that Christ would fulfill Daniel 9:27.

Act 6:14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us. (Stephen did not deny it.)


The Antiquities of the Jews by Flavius Josephus
Book 10/ Chapter 11

(275) and that from among them there should arise a certain king that should overcome our nation and their laws, and should take away our political government, and should spoil the temple, and forbid the sacrifices to be offered for three years’ time. (276) And indeed it so came to pass, that our nation suffered these things under Antiochus Epiphanes, according to Daniel’s vision, and what he wrote many years before they came to pass. In the very same manner Daniel also wrote concerning the Roman government, and that our country should be made desolate by them.


In Mark and Luke’s account of the Olivet discourse, they mentioned being persecuted in the synagogues. The Jews were the chief persecutors of the first Christians as revealed in the New Testament. Some of these events clearly happened before 70 AD.

Full-Preterism and Full-Futurism are both clearly wrong.

Christ answered two questions in the Olivet Discourse.

1. When will the temple be destroyed?

2. What will be the sign of thy Coming and the end of the age? (2nd Coming)
 
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Daniel was told, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times." (Daniel 9:26) Here we have sixty-nine weeks, or 483 years, from the going forth of the commandment to Messiah the Prince. Some claim that there is historical evidence that the triumphal entry occurred exactly 483 years, to the day, after the signing of this order. I cannot personally testify as to the accuracy of this claim. But history indeed confirms that it occurred at approximately that time.

But now the Divinely inspired account contains a break. We read, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined." (Daniel 9:25-26)

Two things were to happen after the sixty-two week second part of this account. And we know that both of them indeed happened exactly as explicitly stated. “Messiah” would “be cut off,” and “the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” Messiah was indeed cut off, and the city and the sanctuary were indeed destroyed. We know from history that these two events did not happen within a seven year period. Most historians feel that our calendar is in error, and the actual date of Jesus’ birth was 4 BC. Since Jesus lived thirty-three years, that puts his death in 29 A.D. But the city was not destroyed until 70 A.D., forty-one years after that. So even if there are small errors in the accepted dates of history, we absolutely know that “the city and the sanctuary” were not destroyed in the same week (seven year period) that our Lord was crucified. But we need to notice that both of these events are presented before the last week is even mentioned. So here we see an absolutely undeniable break in the scriptural account of the seventy weeks.

But the last week is treated differently. It does not even say that this is the seventieth week. The only reason we know that it is the seventieth week is because all the rest of the weeks had already been used up. So this week had to be the seventieth one. We read, "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." (Daniel 9:27)

Now many imagine that this verse speaks of the cross. They want to interpret the word “for” in this verse as “in,” and claim that this was speaking of Jesus confirming God’s covenant with us “in” the seventieth week, and claim that Jesus was crucified at the middle of the seventieth week. But even if history were wrong by so many years, this interpretation does violence to the structure of the prophecy. For the last week is not even mentioned until after the two events that were to take place after the sixty-ninth week.

But an end time covenant that will not be fulfilled is clearly mentioned in other Old Testament prophecies. One of these is Isaiah 28:14-18, where we read, “Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.”

Again, in Isaiah 57:7-9 we read, “Upon a lofty and high mountain hast thou set thy bed: even thither wentest thou up to offer sacrifice. Behind the doors also and the posts hast thou set up thy remembrance: for thou hast discovered thyself to another than me, and art gone up; thou hast enlarged thy bed, and made thee a covenant with them; thou lovedst their bed where thou sawest it. And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell.”

So we see that the scriptures indeed clearly foretell a future covenant that God will not allow to be fulfilled. Daniel 9:27 is only one of several places where this covenant in mentioned.

Others imagine that the existence of this gap is a relatively new concept, first developed by the dispensational teachers of the nineteenth century. But this is an error. The oldest Christian commentary on Bible prophecy of any significant length that has survived to the present day is the last ten chapters of the famous work by Irenaeus titled “Against Heresies,” which is believed to have been written between the years 186 and 188. In this work Irenaeus spoke of the reign of an evil ruler whom he taught would come in the future, calling him “Antichrist,” and saying:

“And then he points out the time that his tyranny shall last, during which the saints shall be put to flight, they who offer a pure sacrifice unto God: ‘And in the midst of the week,’ he says, ‘the sacrifice and the libation shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation [shall be brought] into the temple: even unto the consummation of the time shall the desolation be complete.’Now three years and six months constitute the half-week.” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book V, chapter XXV, section 4)

So there can be no rational debate that Irenaeus taught that the last of the seventy weeks revealed to Daniel would be fulfilled in his own future, not in his past.
Something on the order of twenty or so years after Irenaeus penned these words, Hyppolytus wrote the very oldest Christian commentary on scripture that has survived to the present day. His work was a commentary on Daniel which is thought to have been written sometime between the years 202 and 211. Hyppolytus very clearly taught a gap in the prophecy of the seventy weeks, saying:

“For after sixty-two weeks was fulfilled and after Christ has come and the Gospel has been preached in every place, times having been spun out, the end remains one week away, in which Elijah and Enoch shall be present and in its half the abomination of desolation, the Antichrist, shall appear who threatens desolation of the world. After he comes, sacrifice and drink offering, which now in every way is offered by the nations to God, shall be taken away.” (Commentary on Daniel, by Hyppolytus, book 4, 35.3, as translated by T. C. Schmidt.)

These two quotations conclusively prove that an understanding that the seventieth week remained to be fulfilled was clearly taught in the very oldest Christian commentaries in the subject that have survived to the present day.
 
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Did the angel Gabriel say the prophecy would last 490 years?

Yes.

Did the angel or Daniel mention a gap?

No.



Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The verse above describes events to occur "after the 69 weeks".

If I am moving to another state after this week, it will be into the next week.

Therefore, the text is describing events that occurred after the 483 years.

There is no gap.



Verse 9:24 gives a summary of the events to occur during the 70 weeks.
The last thing mentioned is the "anointing".
Christ was anointed by His Father during His baptism by John the Baptist.
Therefore, this would be the event that occurs at the end of the 69th week and begins the 70th week.



Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


In His own words Christ states that He confirmed the Covenant. It cannot be denied.


Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament(covenant) , which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


The abomination of desolation is clearly revealed in a parallel study of the Gospels.
Also, Christ knew it had already occurred before during the time of Antiochus.


Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh(near).
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. (Occurred in 70 AD)


Apparently Irenaeus and others failed to do a parallel study of the Gospels which reveals the abomination of desolation and also failed to accept the very words of Christ that He had fulfilled the New Covenant in Matt. 26:28.


Are we to continue to accept the manmade error of some of the ECF, or what is plainly written in God's Word and is confirmed by the words of Christ himself?


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"Did the angel or Daniel mention a gap?"


Absolutely .... the silence of the prophets lies between the ending of the 69th week [the Lord's cutting off] and the beginning of the 70th still pending at this time

There are no earthly events recorded in the visions of the prophets in this breach still on going

One must also know that it is the Lord [the Messiah Prince] who will confirm the covenant that He has with His nation of Israel during the 70th week still pending .... not the other prince that shall come in the same future time frame

All of the prophets have the same breach in their visions between fulfilled prophecy and the balance to finish .... all of them

And so does the Lord in His discourse about the time of the end .... He speaks of the "time of the end" of this present age and the coming 70th week [this was not in 70 Ad]
 
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I was taught the "gap" early in my Christian life, and I accepted it because basically I felt what did I know? So I accepted what I was taught.

As I grew in the faith I found it very hard to accept "the gap" from my own study. It just isn't there.

Granted...*almost* every teacher on this will tell you the Hebrew grammar is difficult (despite their position on the passage), I believe the 70 weeks run straight without a gap. I know this to be the position of *most* amillennials and partial preterist...and I think it safe to say all full preterist believe the 70 weeks are without a gap.

There is no gap! When you read Daniel 9:24 you cannot come away with a gap because Daniel 9:24 sets the table FOR WHAT IS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE SEVENTY WEEKS.

Break down Daniel 9:24:
24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,

This tells us everything takes place in the seventy weeks...what is to take place is now stated which are the rest of the verse:

1. "to finish the transgression,"

2. "to make an end of sin,"

3. "to make atonement for iniquity,"

4. "to bring in everlasting righteousness,"

5. "to seal up vision and prophecy"

6. and to anoint the most holy place.


These things have all occurred by Christ death on the cross and scripture attests to that if one will allow it to.

Christ died in the middle of the 70th week!
 
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"Off-base" is always related off the same old tune...

It begins with, "I used to think this....see that... was taught such and so..."

"... but then, I began to find and or 'read about' different...so now, I no longer hold to that..."

Seldom is what is reported more along the line of the following...

"... but then I began to examine how I examine things itself, what principles for doing so, I might have been applying, and also, what principles for evaluating how I was evaluating said principles, that I not end up in the same hole once more..."

As a result, we end up with three groups - those who are sound in some particular thing because who they followed in that one particular things happened to be, and those who are not, because who they followed in that one particular thing was not, and then there are those rare few, who, having broken away to a constant self-examination as in the above... have continued to grow and refine past those who came before them....

This is a contrast in this neurochemical phenomena found present in every walk of life...

Admittedly, I do find it difficult to respect anyone's findings below that level.

Even within Mid-Acts I have found very few that ever self-examining in the above manner, that "ever flexible."
 
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Did the angel Gabriel say the prophecy would last 490 years?

Yes.

Did the angel or Daniel mention a gap?

No.



Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The verse above describes events to occur "after the 69 weeks".

If I am moving to another state after this week, it will be into the next week.

Therefore, the text is describing events that occurred after the 483 years.

There is no gap.



Verse 9:24 gives a summary of the events to occur during the 70 weeks.
The last thing mentioned is the "anointing".
Christ was anointed by His Father during His baptism by John the Baptist.
Therefore, this would be the event that occurs at the end of the 69th week and begins the 70th week.



Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


In His own words Christ states that He confirmed the Covenant. It cannot be denied.


Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament(covenant) , which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


The abomination of desolation is clearly revealed in a parallel study of the Gospels.
Also, Christ knew it had already occurred before during the time of Antiochus.


Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh(near).
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. (Occurred in 70 AD)


Apparently Irenaeus and others failed to do a parallel study of the Gospels which reveals the abomination of desolation and also failed to accept the very words of Christ that He had fulfilled the New Covenant in Matt. 26:28.


Are we to continue to accept the manmade error of some of the ECF, or what is plainly written in God's Word and is confirmed by the words of Christ himself?


.

You are correct in rejecting the notion that the antiquity of the doctrine gives it some kind of authority. I only present the proof to disprove the argument that the imagined newness of the doctrine renders it suspect.

But you are quite incorrect in claiming that the scriptures, or that the words of Christ, disprove the gap. Neither the words of any scripture or the words of Christ prove any such thing. This is only "proved" by your interpretations of the meanings of what our Lord Jesus and other New Testament passages said.

The angel most certainly did not say thast the prophecy "would last" 490 years. What he said was that the 490 years "were determined for" Judah and Jerusalem. And he distinctly said that Messiah would be cut off "after" the first 483 years. But he also included the destruction of Jerusalem before the end of the last seven years. As we know tyhat this did not occur within seven years of Messiah's death, the angel did indeed indicate a "gap" in the 490 years, even though he gave no hint as to how long this "gap" would last.
 
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Those who leave the "gap", or ignore it send themselves off of the road

The break in the scope of the visions of the Bible prophets is real and apparent

.... and for a purpose


2 Peter
3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


Be glad that the Lord has tarried as long

But He will not much longer .... and then He will shut the door [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:15-19]

Which side will you be on?
 
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You are correct in rejecting the notion that the antiquity of the doctrine gives it some kind of authority. I only present the proof to disprove the argument that the imagined newness of the doctrine renders it suspect.

But you are quite incorrect in claiming that the scriptures, or that the words of Christ, disprove the gap. Neither the words of any scripture or the words of Christ prove any such thing. This is only "proved" by your interpretations of the meanings of what our Lord Jesus and other New Testament passages said.

The angel most certainly did not say thast the prophecy "would last" 490 years. What he said was that the 490 years "were determined for" Judah and Jerusalem. And he distinctly said that Messiah would be cut off "after" the first 483 years. But he also included the destruction of Jerusalem before the end of the last seven years. As we know tyhat this did not occur within seven years of Messiah's death, the angel did indeed indicate a "gap" in the 490 years, even though he gave no hint as to how long this "gap" would last.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.


Luk 23:45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.


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The following is from the site below - not that I agree with everything asserted there:

http://www.messiah3.org/trumpetfeast.htm

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A very weird interpretation above

Where did you get it?

Not from the prophetic scriptures

There are virtually no events upon the earth recorded in the visions of the Bible prophets between the 69th and 70 week still pending

You cannot point to even one from the historical records over the last 2000 years

And know that it is the Lord who will confirm the covenant that He has with a believing remnant of Israel during the 70th week .... the coming time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30; Matthew 24]

..... and warfare will continue from the beginning to the end of the 70th week
 
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A very weird interpretation above

Where did you get it?

Not from the prophetic scriptures

There are virtually no events upon the earth recorded in the visions of the Bible prophets between the 69th and 70 week still pending

You cannot point to even one from the historical records over the last 2000 years

And know that it is the Lord who will confirm the covenant that He has with a believing remnant of Israel during the 70th week .... the coming time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30; Matthew 24]

..... and warfare will continue from the beginning to the end of the 70th week

Reminds me of those "Preterists" Jeremiah and Isaiah had to warn Israel against - who basically asserted "its over now, nothing left, it was shorter than prophesied."

Likewise with Paul's warning against same in 2 Thessalonians 2 and 2 Timothy 2 "its over, you've missed it..."

What do you think those Gaps in Time between Israel's Feasts were pointing to?

You want more witness - they "are a shadow of things to come; but the Body... of Christ" you confuse that with "is" what is now.

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
 
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Daniel 9:2 "In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem."

Daniel 9:23 "At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision."

The angel Gabriel is telling Daniel now to think back to the vision of the seventy weeks, that we read of in verse two.

Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy People and upon thy holy city, to finesh the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

There are six things that will come to pass before the transgression is completed upon Jerusalem. Then we will see our Lord Jesus Christ coming back to set up His kingdom upon the earth, and the transgressions will be no more.
Do you see sin around today? Of course; What these things are referring to is the first day of the millennium age. this is looking forward to when the Antichrist has come to earth, and has been cast into the pit.

It is a time when our Lord Jesus Christ is anointed in the most holy place in Jerusalem, showing the world that Jesus Christ is the only True Christ. The next three verses lets us know there is a difference between the true Christ and the false Christ.

Daniel 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times."

There are four times in history that the starting time of this seventy week period of prophecy could have started. This is what has made this starting date so controversial. During the time of Jewish captivity, four different commandments were issued, for the return to Jerusalem. These were:

First, was the command of Cyrus to return to rebuild the temple as seen in II Chronicles 36:22-23 and Ezra 1. the date of this command was given in 539 B.C.

Second, was the command by Darius to advance the construction of the temple, as we see in Ezra 6:1. This command was given in 518 B.C. or in 519 B.C.

Third, was the command of Artaxerxes to Ezra to purify the temple and reestablish the sacrifices and ordinances. This command is found in Ezra 4:17, and the command was given in 457 B.C.

Fourth, the command of Artaxerxes to Nehemiah to return to Jerusalem, to rebuild the city streets and walls, to make the city safe from the raids and plundering of the neighboring nations. We read of this in Nehemiah 2:1-9, and this puts this command in 444 B.C.

In Daniel 9:25 we read, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem..." The fourth command in 444 B.C. could be the only starting point for Daniel's seventy week prophecy. All three of the other commands were not relating to the city of Jerusalem, but to the building, finishing, and purification of the temple.

At the conclusion of the seventy weeks of years, Daniel saw in the vision that certain things would happen. Look ar Daniel 9:24, "... to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy and to anoint the most Holy."

We know that each of these things above still exist and will exist until the end of the tribulation period. That time of testing for all Israel, and destruction for the rest of the world.

It is an historical fact that the time to rebuild the streets and walls of Jerusalem was 49 years, exactly as Daniel prophesied in Daniel 9:25. "...from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince (Jesus Christ recognized as the Messiah), shall be seven weeks, three score and two weeks."

The first seven weeks, then sixty-two more weeks of years were given in the vision of Daniel for the time of the Messiah. This then leaves us one week shy of the total seventy weeks prophesied by Daniel, for the Messiah to come and physically rule over Israel.

444 B.C. Jerusalem Rebuilt Messiah Messiah

7 weeks 62 weeks Gap 1 week
49 years 434 years time of Millennium age
Gentiles

there are three separate periods, with a gap between the second period of of 434 years, and the final period of seven years. This gap in the seventy years of weeks prophecy period is what the Apostle Paul calls the time of the Gentiles. In Romans 11:17-24 Paul talked about the time when Gentiles, the wild olive branch, will be grafted onto the good olive tree, the trunk of Abraham. This grafting period, or the gap, is what we now call "the Church age". The time from the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the head of the Church, to the start of the last seven week period, then is the time of grace, and peace that is offered to all.

Grace is the gift of total forgiveness by God, by simply accepting by faith the price that Jesus Christ's death on the cross, and his resurrection, paid for. For this God offers "peace", and whatever sins were ever committed, are blotted out and covered by the blood of Christ. This is spelled out in John 3:16.

When we consider the time span from 444 B.C to 33 A.D., and deduct for the fact of the one year between 1 B.C. and 1 A.D., we have a total of 476 solar years. That is 173,855 total solar days. The Jewish calendar year has 360 days to the year, and would show 483 years for the same time frame. (360 days X 483 years equals 173,880 Jewish calendar days.)

To be accurate, the actual date of the commandment was March 5th of our calendar year of 444 B.C. When we compute the solar calendar days of 173,855 to the starting date, and add the 25 days excess from the Jewish calendar, we find the date to be March 3oth, 33 A.D., the time Jesus rode into Jerusalem with a multitude of people around him; "...cried saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest." Matthew 21:1-12 They were claiming Jesus to be the Messiah.

In Daniel 9:27 continues thousands of years later, following the period we call the gap, or Church age. This is the one week of years God set aside to draw His people, called the Jews, back to himself. "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Halfway into the period, three and a half years, the Antichrist reveals his true colors, and Satan then turns on the Jews. He stops sacrifices and oblations, and brings the abomination to the temple. Then hatred, wrath and killing will be poured out on the nation of Israel. We will discuss each of these points later, as we look at various biblical passages in both the Old and New Testaments.

The thing that makes these four verses, Daniel 9:24-27 so important to Christians, and Bible prophecy, is that it identifies the time of the age of Christ's church on earth. The two important things to remember here is that the sacrifices and the oblation will cease, this is the communion, and the Passover feast offerings, and that is because the entire world, including Christians, will believe that Christ has returned to earth. They will believe that the Antichrist is the Messiah.

The second thins is that abomination that is to take place in Jerusalem, is when the Antichrist, Satan, shall stand in the temple and claim himself to be the true Christ.
Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

The emperor of Rome took sides with the Syrians, against the Jews, and Titus Vespian moved his huge Roman army against all Judea, to totally destroy the city, and as Jesus prophesied, dismantled the entire temple. The Jews that escaped with their lives were scattered throughout the countries of the world.

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

In the translation, "the desolate", it is a person, and should be translated "desolator". That desolator is the Antichrist. and is Satan himself. It is not a king in Europe, or the middle east, for Satan is the "star" that fell to the earth in Revelation 9:1, and he will be given the key, or the authority to the bottomless pit.

When the seventh trump sounds, the seventy weeks of years are over, and you will face the Lord Jesus Christ, either as a happy bride [the church], or in shame for chasing after the Antichrist.
 
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9:27 And he (1) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (2) cease, (3)and for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


(1) By the preaching of the Gospel he confirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.


(2) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.


(3) Meaning, that Jerusalem and the Sanctuary should be utterly destroyed for their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague shall be so great, that they shall be all astonied at them.


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Daniel 9 is specifically about Daniel's people of Israel past, and future

Nothing to do with today's church

The Lord will confirm the covenant that He has with Israel .... not the church of today

This He has already done by His offer of salvation and period of grace to the Gentiles

.... this period will end and He will then turn to a believing remnant of Israel and all 6 objectives will be met for them during the 70th week still to come

Mixing Israel with the church of today [last 2000 years] will make for nothing but confusion and false rendering of Daniel 9

Israel's rejection of their Messiah and King in the first century cause Him to commit the nation's rejection of Him into blindness which still is ongoing today .... but this is going to change in the coming 70th week still pending .... this is what Daniel 9 is all about

This coming time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30] will serve to cause 1/3 of Israel to turn and He will save this portion of the remnant [Zechariah 13:8-9]

The balance will be killed in unbelief during the period and lost forever

So all of believing Israel will be saved to enter and populate His coming millennial kingdom upon the earth [Isaiah 11; Jeremiah 30; 31:31-37; Ezekiel 36; Micah 4; 5; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Matthew 24; Romans 11:25-36]
 
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