Mental illness caused by fallen angels (demons)

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Hi Nord :wave:

You said, "I believe in our hearts, when we finally understand once gaining some Biblical knowledge, and the Holy Spirit convicting us, we're going to want to turn from our sins. I'm dealing with a sin problem right now that I can't seem to shake. I'm giving in a lot less to it, but I've still yet to full repent of it. After 27 years of it, I didn't think it would go away overnight. For it's the people without faith, and have no interest in finding Lord Jesus and getting saved, are really the ones who are in deep trouble.

Oh, I know if I sin, I'm going to be admonished. I, along with everyone else is going to have to pay for what we do in the physical world. Nobody gets away with anything. And if someone is unsaved, well they've really got something to worry about!
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Well, Nord, we are to make no provision for the flesh. "Put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires" (Romans 13:14). It doesn't matter how long standing the sin is, we need to get rid of it, like a filthy rag! Remember, "If I had cherished iniquity in my heart, the Lord would not have listened" (Psalm 66:18). Any sin not fully repented of elevates that sin above God in our hearts. It is an idol.

Yes, the lost are in deep trouble. But, it is very offensive to God that we as redeemed saints choose to hold onto a sin which His own Son had to die for. It so devalues the Gift of God. And, it gives place to the devil.

It is best to just look at our own walk and not try to compare ourselves with others. God does not grade on a curve.

Pray for the lost. Witness when you have the opportunity. But, know that if you have sin in your life, your power will be diminished, your clarity dimmed, your communication with God lessened and you will have allowed a HOOK in your life which Satan can jerk you around with.

Don't minimize the dangerousness of allowing a pet sin to hang around. Take no prisoners!!! Get completely free.

I agree, Renee. I know we're not to make a provision for sin. And time after time, I've dropped those sinful provisions, only to bring them back again, out of temptation. Like I said, 27 years of this, and I'm a single man. Don't get me wrong though, I know being single and alone is no excuse for me. I know I need Almighty Father God to get me through this. Easy? Well, I can go for sometimes two days without being tempted. Then all of a sudden, I'm bombarded with it! So easy? Unfortunately not.:o

Every time I give in, I don't feel good about it. Being lost in that fantasy world for a short time, brings on short term pleasure, but at at cost, I know. I know God is perfect, benevolent and hates sin. Like I mentioned before, that with God working through me, I have been able to give in less often. I have not been able to fully repent of that sin though.

I'd unknowingly been a puppet of Satan for many years. No, not one who would go out and commit violent or heinous acts. What he did use was my emotions against me. I was always a very sensitive person. He toyed with me to bring on negative feelings and thoughts. I feel a lot better now, once getting into Christianity, reading the Bible, and coming on here for instance.;) I also watch Dr. Charles Stanely's In touch every week. Really like him.
 
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Hi Nord :)

Well, if you are giving into this sin every two days or so...you have an established stronghold. And, Satan will use everything in his arsenal to use it against you, to bring you down, destroy your testimony, maim your walk and to bring others into sin with you. Satan is USING YOU AS HIS TOOL.

God does give us the power to overcome sin and avoid every temptation. To say otherwise is to call God a liar. That is not good.

Treat this sin as you would a cobra in your baby's crib. I know you are not married and don't have a family yet...but, imagine that you had a precious baby and there was a venomous, dangerous snake in it's crib. Would you just say, "oh, it is just a little one"? Would you say, "it is just ONE snake.."?

One unrepented of sin gives Satan place. He builds a stronghold. Then he fortifies it. He brings in more like himself. His fortress and power increase, while your defenses get weaker and weaker.

DO NOT MINIMIZE this situation. I have observed the process over years in the life of a professing, baptized, evangelical Christian who today is a raging profane God-hating atheist -- in short an APOSTATE.

It happens in slow degrees. Satan is patient. But, know, he is coming after you to take you down. You can claim to be a Christian and even do good works, only in the end to reveal that you never were. The enemy is subtle.

"Be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you" (2 Peter 1:10). The only way we find out who is an authentic believer, a truly saved person is by their perseverance. Some look good in the beginning only to have a disastrous fall or just fall off into apostasy.

"In the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned" (Hebrews 4:4-8).

God is not tolerant like the world is. He hates sin and no sinner will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Tolerating, and loving our besetting sin will cause us to eventually forfeit our blessings. NO sin is worth that. Don't think that God understands. He wonders why you don't understand. Sin is sin is sin. Lucifer became Satan because of sin. Adam and Eve forfeited the garden and brought sin and death into the world because of sin. Esau forfeited the birthright and blessing because of sin. The Israelites forfeited entering into the Promised Land because of sin. Sin destroys. It is like a cancer.

The choice is always...will we obey God and be blessed? Or will we disobey God and reap the consequences of separation from God? "Can two walk together unless they are agreed?" (Amos 3:3). We deceive ourselves if we think we can hold onto a sin and keep God. We cannot. They are mutually exclusive.

And, don't think you are a special case. It is just the experience of the Christian to be tempted and tried. "In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 1:6-7).

We must see sin as God sees it. It is an abomination. We must purpose to cut ties with all sin. Write your sins a decree of divorce. Cast them out. And, purpose to be faithful to God.

I can we what you are referring to, as sin destroying our testimony, building a stronghold over us. To be honest, it would be more accurate for me I'd been giving in within 2- sometimes 5 days. And yes, I do know when we give in, it gives Satan the right to come into, and accuse us in front of God. Continued, prolonged willful sin can lead to ruin, in our physical lives.

I'd been told by a former Pastor that, in regards to salvation, it's unbelief that sends people to hell, and not sin. Sin will make us pay in our physical lives, reaping and sowing the repercussions of what we'd done. Also, the loss of eternal rewards.

However, I am getting this vibe of this Lordship Salvation, which I'm not say you're implying. But this is the feeling I'm getting. Remember, Salvation is a free gift of God, lest any man/woman should boast.

Are you saying we have the power to be absolutely sinless?

The man who you are stating, has become an atheist. Why I wonder? Personal heartache, in which he's blaming God? I'm not sure. I can honestly say that I have no intention of turning my anger and hatred towards God. My faith is strong in God. I don't have any future plans on becoming an atheist. No mortal man or woman who thinks they're a genius, can ever prove scientifically that there isn't a God, although they will try to get many to believe they can.

I have been tested. I've won some battles. I've also lost some.

I will agree, Renee, that there is a price for sin. That we should, out of honor, love and respect for Lord Jesus Christ and God, to try and repent of our sins. To say that we are damned for hell if we can't become absolutely perfect beings, just doesn't make sense.
 
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Dear Nord :)

I am enjoying having this conversation with you. It is important and has eternal value. So I appreciate it!!

You said in your last post, "However, I am getting this vibe of this Lordship Salvation, which I'm not say you're implying. But this is the feeling I'm getting. Remember, Salvation is a free gift of God, lest any man/woman should boast.

Are you saying we have the power to be absolutely sinless?
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I am not too keen on titles and labels, but I do believe that Jesus is to be Lord of our lives, if we indeed give him our lives. That makes sense to me. He is Lord and Master of my life. He can lead and direct my life way better than I can.

We do not have the power in ourselves to do ANYTHING except sin. But, "Jesus came to set the captives free" (Luke 4:18). It is His Resurrection power in His saving blood that gives us the power to say "NO" to sin. We are to be like Jesus. He lived on earth as a man. And, He lived a sinless life. God says, "Be holy, for I am Holy." It is not a suggestion, it is a command.

You said, "The man who you are stating, has become an atheist. Why I wonder? Personal heartache, in which he's blaming God? I'm not sure. I can honestly say that I have no intention of turning my anger and hatred towards God. My faith is strong in God. I don't have any future plans on becoming an atheist."

I can assure you that this person was totally sold out for Jesus. He was zealous in evangelism. He NEVER intended to drift away, defect, and apostatize -- never in a million years. Just like you, he did not think that was possible. But, today he is indeed a blaspheming atheistical infidel. It happened by slow degrees. First -- questioning some of God's Word. Then thinking he was "an exception." Then, listening to world chatter "to be informed." Then, taking up with bad company. And, then taking up their philosophy of life. Now, he is one of them -- only worse.

We need to fight the good fight of faith. Even the apostle Paul said, "I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified" (1 Corinthians 9:27).

You said, "I will agree, Renee, that there is a price for sin. That we should, out of honor, love and respect for Lord Jesus Christ and God, to try and repent of our sins. To say that we are damned for hell if we can't become absolutely perfect beings, just doesn't make sense."

Well, I did not say that we will be damned to hell if we are not perfectly sinless. I think the distinction is the attitude of our hearts. God said that "David was a man after His own heart." Well, what??? David committed two capital crimes -- adultery and murder. And, he hid it for over a year. But, he was forgiven. Why? He repented. See Psalm 51.

Others, like King Saul, committed lesser offenses -- at least from the world's viewpoint. He just modified a command of the Lord. Should he lose the kingdom for that? He sought the advice of a medium -- well, God wasn't answering him anymore, what was he to do? Apparently, he could have done differently. He could have truly repented. He did not. It was all about his standing with the people. Nevertheless, he did become an apostate and died in that state.

It is all about our heart and what we REALLY worship. It is not really about trying; it is about doing.

God will give us victory over EVERY sin if we come to Him.

If we hold onto a sin -- claiming we are not perfect -- we test God and give Satan glory, not to mention a foothold.

I am enjoying my conversation as well! ;)

I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying. I want to make Lord Jesus the Lord and Master of my life. And I believe everyone who becomes a Christian should do the same. With the help of God, Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit, I believe we are to strive for righteousness, not giving ourselves credit. Why? Because we know it's not ourselves, like you say, are imperfect beings incapable of anything good. We must give credit to God for whatever good comes from us.

I've remember one person saying that, there are nice unbelievers as well.Coming from an unbeliever of course. He just doesn't realize that God is also putting the good into the unbelieving person, in trying to bring them closer to him.

Not long ago, and my parent's aren't religious. My Mom said you get to Heaven if you're " a nice person". Hey, I once thought this as well before coming to Christianity, learning some of the Bible, and becoming saved. I replied that in comparison to God, we're not that good. Maybe I should have stated it differently? But, it was on a whim. My Dad says he believes but says yesterday that " all religions are cults". Maybe jokingly? He does that from time to time. He also likes to instigate. He's a joker and a teaser.:D

I've had times where I read the Bible and not unbelieve mind you, but it would make me try to understand what was going on. It's like, in the story with Samson. First thing that hit my mind when Samson lifted that heavy thing up a mountain, was ???? Satan I know will do anything to try and make us question anything the Bible says. I then thought, if God wanted to create man that powerful, he could do it! End of story.

Sorry to hear about that man you know. Sorry to hear he's degenerated so far. Hope and pray he'll find the Lord again!:pray:

It is in my heart to worship and praise the Lord. I pray everyday. No, I haven't been going to church, but am considering going back.
 
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Since I don't want to derail this thread, I'll make you an offer. Message me and I'll gladly show you both where your informant is wrong.

I've been involved with masonry for more than 30 years. I've gone through every degree offered.

A standard line in masonry is to lead a man from darkness to light. So that information is opposite from what you know.

Pike has been misquoted and misunderstood since the beginning.
 
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You do not become sinless for one you have sin living inside you, so it is impossible in this body and why we have new bodies. Paul spoke of sin living inside him causing him to sin. Yes we do have power to say no to sin once saved but we can still fall to temptation, we do not become like Jesus over night, it takes time and work. God's work on us. sin is not ok but if you have Jesus your debt has been paid. pray for God to change you have faith, pray for you to love God more. Pray for God to work in you.

God loves us, He would not save us from the Law to say now keep every letter or your out of here. Doesn't make sense does it. In fact of all the law there is only 2 commandments you need to keep. Love God with all you are and Love everyone else as your self. by keeping those two you keep all the Law. You will fail at it, keep trying. get back up as fast as you fall, repent turn back to God as fast as you turned away. All you ever have to do is to ask God for forgiveness, its not a license to sin and those that think it is do not understand the cost that God paid to save us. I recommend the movie Passion of The Christ. That will give you an idea.

Who The Son set free is free Indeed. We are not under the Law any more but under grace, The Law is un changing but our relationship to the law changed. before the Law pointed out our sins, The Holy Spirit convicted us, the Law showed our need for Jesus. Now Jesus has saved us the Law shows us how to walk with Him. Jesus is the path, the Law are the stones which line the path.

Be free, repent, ask for forgiveness, and Just be free. The goal is to lay down our will and surrender to God, to be like Jesus and only do God's will, that is the meaning of life, if you were wondering.

Peace and Love
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The Book of Enoch

Chapter 15

1. Then addressing me, He spoke and said, Hear, neither be afraid, O righteous Enoch, you scribe of righteousness: approach hither, and hear my voice. Go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent you to pray for them, You ought to pray for men, and not men for you.

2. Wherefore have you forsaken the lofty and holy heaven, which endures for ever, and have lain with women; have defile yourselves with the daughters of men; have taken to yourselves wives; have acted like the sons of the earth, and have begotten an impious offspring?

3. You being spiritual, holy, and possessing a life which is eternal, have polluted yourselves with women; have begotten in carnal blood; have lusted in the blood of men; and have done as those who are flesh and blood do.

4. These however die and perish.

5. Therefore have I given to them wives, that they might cohabit with them; that sons might be born of them; and that this might be transacted upon earth.

6. But you from the beginning were made spiritual, possessing a life which is eternal, and not subject to death for ever.

7. Therefore I made not wives for you, because, being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven.

8. Now the giants, who have been born of spirit and of flesh, shall be called upon earth evil spirits, and on earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits shall they be upon earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth.

9. The spirits of the giants shall be like clouds, which shall oppress, corrupt, fall, content, and bruise upon earth.

10. They shall cause lamentation. No food shall they eat; and they shall be thirsty; they shall be concealed, and shall not rise up against the sons of men, and against women; for they come forth during the days of slaughter and destruction.
 
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The Book of Enoch

Chapter 15 ...
Interesting subject, and may need to start a thread with a different Topic to discuss it. Not sure if this is even the right subforum, but I'd like to hear more of what you think of that passage.
 
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Thanks for the inspiration to create a new thread.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7866429/#post67044737


Also it links to the original post about how mental illness is linked to evil spirits. Our Lord Jesus Christ removed thousands devils from inhabiting & tormenting people during His physical lifetime. However, I do not recall Christ claiming or hinting that He directly those evil spirits directly to the "Lake of Fire".

So that means those spirits have been roaming & inhabiting a multitude of people, for thousands of years. It would make sense that they are still stick attacking people today. Does make sense why certain people sin with... creativity. Hitler, Stalin, Jeffrey Dahmer, Grigori Rasputin, Osama Bin Laden, James Eagan Holmes, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, etc.
 
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Nord, how are you going to be admonished? Didn't Christ die for your past, present and future sins? Yes, repent still, but then walk away perfect before God because of Christ's work. You are free.

I do believe I am saved, Mike. I still find it hard to not get out of the will at times, especially when dealing with a couple of sin problems that I'm currently dealing with.

I find myself sinning, then repenting, only to fall back into the same particular sin problems I'd been dealing with. These sin problems I'd been dealing with for close to 30 years, long before I knew anything about Christianity,salvation etc. Rome wasn't built in a day. I guess I could use that term? Hehe!
 
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Renee, I wouldn't say it's love for sin above God. I don't clamor for wealth or materialism. I'm dealing with what I think are problems. And through God can I ever hope fully repent from these "sin problems". There's no way I'd be able to do it on my own.

It's like alcoholics and drug addicts have a problem, although, they are not sin problems I'm dealing with, I still have a couple that need to be worked on and with God's help, hopefully eliminated in my life.
 
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

This. We know from Scripture that demonic possession is a real thing. However, I've also seen firsthand cases of people with serious mental illness (schizophrenia, for example) who went into secular therapy and were able to recover and lead relatively normal, healthy lives afterward.

It's not always one or the other. I always recommend that anyone struggling with mental illness both seek God and seek a professional's medical opinion.
 
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I find myself sinning, then repenting, only to fall back into the same particular sin problems I'd been dealing with. These sin problems I'd been dealing with for close to 30 years, long before I knew anything about Christianity,salvation etc. Rome wasn't built in a day. I guess I could use that term? Hehe!

Your right. Give yourself time to grow in Jesus! Romans 7:15
 
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This. We know from Scripture that demonic possession is a real thing. However, I've also seen firsthand cases of people with serious mental illness (schizophrenia, for example) who went into secular therapy and were able to recover and lead relatively normal, healthy lives afterward.

It's not always one or the other. I always recommend that anyone struggling with mental illness both seek God and seek a professional's medical opinion.

I'm sure you're right, Inakchu. Not every case of mental illness is caused by fallen angels aka demons. I think we also have to remember that anything that is negative comes from Satan. I'd suffered with anxiety, confusion, depression, and I conclude from my experience that no, I don't think I was possessed by a fallen one. What I do believe is that Satan and his other fallen ones had been using me, as I had been unsaved. Holding on to bad experiences from my past, and holding grudges. Low self esteem, bitterness etc.

The devil had easy access to me, and I feel there are many others out there whom Satan and his comrades are having a field day with, including those with man's diagnoses.
 
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Nord, I know what it is like to have out of control sweet cravings and I know how to determine what my body is lacking that causes those cravings. Would welcome the opportunity to help.

Thank you so much!:)

Just message me on this thread or send me a PM.
 
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Your right. Give yourself time to grow in Jesus! Romans 7:15

I wish I could say it's been a quick transformation, but it really hasn't.
I do feel convicted and sincere enough when I commit sin. I can't say
repentance, or turning away from my sin has been easy. I can go sometimes
two four days before I finally give into the urge to commit that said sin.

I also know there are a couple of other sins I need God's help with.

One sin I feel I am regarding in my heart. A part of me wants to drop it like a bad habit. The other side of me wants the short term fix.

I saw, not long ago, forget what show it was on, that the brain releases a couple of chemicals during sex or masturbation that are also released when people take cocaine. Interesting. I'd never taken coke myself, but fascinating all the same.
 
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