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There is nothing orthodox about chiliasm (a thousand-year reign on earth,) nor is there anything in the scripture that states the 1000 year reign would begin at any time after the first century, nor that it would be from any throne but the Lord's throne in Heaven.

Everything you believe about the millennium had to be spiritualized. In fact, it was spiritualized from an already false doctrine of Judaism; that is, it is a spiritualization of a spiritualization. LOL! That is why it has been, and always will be considered unorthodox, and will always be a Jewish fable.

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Ha ha! That is, RIGHT UP UNTIL IT BEGINS FOR REAL!

It has been right there in the bible all this time, but many have not seen it. Today there is MUCH MORE revelation knowledge of the scriptures then there has ever been. It is no mystery when the 1000 year reign begins. It will begin shortly after the sheep and goat judgment, which will be shortly after the battle of Armageddon. That battle will be the moment Jesus descends from heaven on the white horse. He will descend right after the marriage and supper in heaven. The marriage and supper has to wait for the 7th vial to end the future 70th week........

Get the picture? It is CLEARLY laid out in Revelation. :thumbsup:
 
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And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them


Who are these?

Whoever they are, Jesus isn't mentioned as one of them. He is in heaven, they are on earth.

It says judgment was given unto them, not Jesus. Jesus is reigning in Heaven.

Once again, it never says that Jesus will ever reign on this earth in an earthly kingdom. Not in even one passage.
 
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Jesus reigning on earth is never mentioned in any other those passages.


Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


Isaiah 9

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Jesus is going to sit upon the throne of David in Jerusalem, as the Kingdom of God will be here on this earth, superceding dominion over all other kingdoms.



 
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Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


Isaiah 9

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Jesus is going to sit upon the throne of David in Jerusalem, as the Kingdom of God will be here on this earth, superceding dominion over all other kingdoms.




Neither say that Jesus will reign on earth.

And furthermore, the throne of David that Christ sits on is in Heaven as Peter preaches:

Brethren, I may say unto you freely of the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us unto this day. 30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins he would set one upon his throne; 31 he foreseeing this spake of the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he left unto Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus did God raise up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath poured forth this, which ye see and hear. 34 For David ascended not into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet.-- Acts 2​
 
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Neither say that Jesus will reign on earth.

And furthermore, the throne of David that Christ sits on is in Heaven as Peter preaches:
Brethren, I may say unto you freely of the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us unto this day. 30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins he would set one upon his throne; 31 he foreseeing this spake of the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he left unto Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus did God raise up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath poured forth this, which ye see and hear. 34 For David ascended not into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet.-- Acts 2​
That passage doesn't say that David's throne is in heaven. God's throne is in heaven. Peter is showing that Jesus is more than a human descendant of David and is greater than David.

Daniel 7:
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
 
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That passage doesn't say that David's throne is in heaven. God's throne is in heaven.

Daniel 7:
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

This passage does say that David's throne that Christ would sit on is in heaven, because David himself, knowing that God had sworn to him with an oath that one of his seed would sit on his throne said

The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet.-- Acts 2​

Peter proclaims that the promise of Messiah sitting on David's throne is fulfilled in those words. And the right hand of God is in Heaven. Therefore, the true throne of David must be in heaven, because that is where Christ is at the right hand of God.
 
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This passage does say that David's throne that Christ would sit on is in heaven, because David himself, knowing that God had sworn to him with an oath that one of his seed would sit on his throne said
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet.-- Acts 2​
Peter proclaims that the promise of Messiah sitting on David's throne is fulfilled in those words. And the right hand of God is in Heaven. Therefore, the true throne of David must be in heaven, because that is where Christ is at the right hand of God.
No, Peter is not saying Jesus in heaven sitting at God's right hand (a metophor) is the fulfillment of Jesus sitting on David's throne.

Christ sitting on David's throne is still not fulfilled. David's throne is here on earth in Jerusalem. Ezekiel 37 is still future as far as Jesus sitting on David's throne. David my servant is a code name for the messiah. "the" messiah, Christ, means King of Israel.

Ezekiel 37:
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Jesus right now is sitting upon God's throne in heaven, because that who Jesus is the Lord of Heaven.

 
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Christ sitting on David's throne is fulfilled. That is the one and only point of Peter's sermon on the day of Pentecost to the Jews. And if you miss that one and only point, you have missed it all. Because the Jews thought it was going to be an earthly Messiah heir sitting on an earthly throne too, just like you do! And they were 100% wrong, just like you are!

Brethren, I may say unto you freely of the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us unto this day. 30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins he would set one upon his throne; 31 he foreseeing this spake of the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he left unto Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus did God raise up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath poured forth this, which ye see and hear. 34 For David ascended not into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet. Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him both Lord and Messiah, this Jesus whom ye crucified.- Acts 2​
 
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Christ sitting on David's throne is fulfilled. That is the one and only point of Peter's sermon on the day of Pentecost to the Jews. And if you miss that one and only point, you have missed it all. Because the Jews thought it was going to be an earthly Messiah heir sitting on an earthly throne too, just like you do! And they were 100% wrong, just like you are!
Brethren, I may say unto you freely of the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us unto this day. 30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins he would set one upon his throne; 31 he foreseeing this spake of the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he left unto Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus did God raise up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath poured forth this, which ye see and hear. 34 For David ascended not into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet. Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him both Lord and Messiah, this Jesus whom ye crucified.- Acts 2​
No you have missed. David never ascended to heaven, so his throne could not be there. God's throne is in heaven, not David's because David never ascended there to have a throne in heaven.

Jesus is the Lord of Heaven, David's root, that is David's God, his Creator. The Lord of Heaven sits upon God's throne.

Jesus has been in heaven since the Acts 1 when he ascended to heaven, but Ezekiel 37 the joining of the two sticks back into one country did not take place until 1948. And the fulfillment of Jesus sitting upon David's throne, which is the seat of the King of Israel is still forthcoming, to be Israel's king forever.

Israel although a unified nation again, no longer northern and southern divided, does not have a king yet.

The Antichrist for a short time will be the illicit King of Israel, but the rightful King of Israel is Jesus and that is who is going to sit on King David's throne when He returns to this earth.
 
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Everything you wrote is Baloney.

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YOu can tear those pages out of your bible of you choose, and remain in denial. But they will still be in every other bible.

YOu have failed to understand what Jewish sages wrote thousands of years ago: God worked in creation for 6 days, and on the 7th day rested.

The first 6 days (thousand years) will be man's rule on the earth, and the 7th day (thousand years) will be God's rule on the earth.

Edward Gibbon from the 1776 work "THE DECLINE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE," where he documented the facts regarding the first century Christians...
"The ancient and popular doctrine of the Millennium was intimately connected with the second coming of Christ. As the works of the creation had been finished in six days, their duration in their present state, according to a tradition which was attributed to the prophet Elijah, was fixed to six thousand years. By the same analogy it was inferred that this long period of labor and contention, which was now almost elapsed, would be succeeded by a joyful Sabbath of a thousand years; and that Christ, with the triumphant band of the saints and the elect who had escaped death, or who had been miraculously revived, would reign upon earth till the time appointed for the last and general resurrection". - Vol I, p.403


This tradition maintains that each day of the week corresponds to one thousand years of creation. Just as the six days of the workweek culminate in the sanctified seventh day of Shabbat, so too will the six millennia of creation culminate in the sanctified seventh millennium (Hebrew years 6000–7000)—the Messianic Age. (Wikipedia)

"Jewish tradition has long held that human history (olam hazeh) would endure for 6,000 years - from the time of the impartation of the neshamah (soul) to Adam in the Garden of Eden to the coming of the Messiah. There were two primary arguments for this view of history.

First, the sages argued that a "divine day" (יוֹם) equaled 1,000 years based on Psalm 90:4: "A thousand years (אֶלֶף שָׁנִים) in your sight is as a day (i.e., k'yom: כְּיוֹם)." They reasoned that since man was made in the image of God, and the Torah describes six days of creation followed by a day of divine rest, mankind (as a whole) was therefore allotted 6 x 1,000 years (i.e., 6,000) for "works" to be established in the world, followed by a 1,000 year Shabbat (Sanhedrin 97a, Rosh Hashana 31a). The ancient Seder Olam Rabbah (c. 240) catalogs historical events from the start of Creation according to the 6,000 years of history. Humanity will have his time of reign on earth for 6,000 years and then the Messiah will begin his reign in the 7th millennium, a "Sabbath" of sacred history. Later midrash goes along with this basic outline: "Six eons for going in and coming out, for war and peace. The seventh eon is entirely Shabbat and rest for life everlasting" (Pirke de Rabbi Eliezer).

Second, the Jewish mystics argued that since there are 6 Alephs (א) in the very first verse of the Torah, and each Aleph (אלף) represents 1,000, there must be 6,000 years of human history. The Zohar states, "The redemption of Israel will come about through the mystic force of the letter "Vav" [the sixth letter of the Aleph-bet, corresponding to the sixth Aleph] in the sixth millennium. Happy are those who will be left alive at the end of the sixth millennium to enter the Shabbat, which is the seventh millennium; for that is a day set apart for the Holy One on which to effect the union of new souls with old souls in the world" (Zohar, Vayera 119a).

So according to both the rabbis and the mystics, human history will last for 6,000 years - 1,000 years for each day of creation - followed by a 1,000 year "Shabbat" that represents the Messianic Age of global and universal peace. After the Messiah appears, there will be peace on earth, and all the promises of God given through the prophets will be fulfilled. "
Parashat Eikev - The Messiah and Jewish Philosophy of History

Is it any wonder then that John wrote in very clear and plain words that Satan will be bound for a thousand years? Is it any wonder that Ezekiel spent chapters writing of the Millennial temple of God?
 
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No you have missed. David never ascended to heaven, so his throne could not be there. God's throne is in heaven, not David's because David never ascended there to have a throne in heaven.

Jesus is the Lord of Heaven, David's root, that is David's God, his Creator. The Lord of Heaven sits upon God's throne.

Jesus has been in heaven since the Acts 1 when he ascended to heaven, but Ezekiel 37 the joining of the two sticks back into one country did not take place until 1948. And the fulfillment of Jesus sitting upon David's throne, which is the seat of the King of Israel is still forthcoming, to be Israel's king forever.

Israel although a unified nation again, no longer northern and southern divided, does not have a king yet.

The Antichrist for a short time will be the illicit King of Israel, but the rightful King of Israel is Jesus and that is who is going to sit on King David's throne when He returns to this earth.

Why would you say David never ascended to heaven? This (that the spirit and soul of the righteous dead go to heaven0 is one of the most common beliefs of the church. Remember Jesus said that God is the God of the LIVING, not of the dead. Did you forget that Paul wrote that "those who sleep in Jesus" He will bring with Him when He comes - PROVING they are in heaven. And How Paul wrote that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord?
 
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Christ sitting on David's throne is fulfilled. That is the one and only point of Peter's sermon on the day of Pentecost to the Jews. And if you miss that one and only point, you have missed it all. Because the Jews thought it was going to be an earthly Messiah heir sitting on an earthly throne too, just like you do! And they were 100% wrong, just like you are!
Brethren, I may say unto you freely of the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us unto this day. 30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins he would set one upon his throne; 31 he foreseeing this spake of the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he left unto Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus did God raise up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath poured forth this, which ye see and hear. 34 For David ascended not into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet. Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him both Lord and Messiah, this Jesus whom ye crucified.- Acts 2​


YOu are just as wrong as Dougg. Jesus sitting on the thone of DAVID is still FUTURE to us today. Do you just not understand the word "future?" Did you just tear out the last 9 chapters of the book of Ezekiel from your bible?
Did you spiritualize or symbolize John's clear passages of the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth? Do you just IGNORE what Isaiah said about that time on earth?

Isaiah 65:25
The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

In case you missed it, lions still eat meat.

Jesus most certainly rose from the dead, and ascended up to be at the Father's right hand. That throne in heaven is GOD's throne, not David's throne. IN CASE YOU MISSED IT, David was King of ISRAEL....that is Israel on earth. IN CASE YOU MISSED IT, Jesus will come again on a white horse, and plan to STAY on earth. IN CASE YOU MISSED IT:

Mat. 25
31 When the Son of man shall come [to planet earth]in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory [on planet earth where he came]:

IN CASE YOU MISSED IT: David will be King once again:

Jer. 30
8 “And it shall come to pass in that day, declares the Lord of hosts, that I will http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Jeremiah 30#footnote12break his http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Jeremiah 30#footnote13yoke from off your neck, and I will http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Jeremiah 30#footnote12burst your bonds, http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Jeremiah 30#footnote15and foreigners shall no more make a servant of him. 9 But they shall serve the Lord their God and http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Jeremiah 30#footnote17David their king, whom I will raise up for them.
 
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I believe in the literal 1000 year reign of Christ. I don't even spiritualize the 1000 years. I believe it is 1000 literal earth years.
That's fine. How do you deal with Jesus saying He reigns now? You haven't answered that.

*Jesus certainly states that clear enough in Matthew 28:18.

*Paul clearly states that in Ephesians 2:18-22...and Colossians 1:17-20

*Hebrews 1 is making the point that after Jesus rose from the dead God CROWNED Him with GLORY and HONOR. God even said to Him "YOUR THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER..."

*Jesus said in Revelation "I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA"

What do you do with those? Jesus does what He pleases WHEN HE PLEASES right now!!!
However, for one to be part of it, they must be a beheaded soul that took part in the first resurrection, which is the spiritual resurrection, and not the second resurrection which is the bodily, general resurrection. And no where does it ever say that either they, or Christ are on earth.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.​

First of all Romans 6:1-11 as well as Ephesians 2:1-7 teaches the first resurrection is when you were saved.

Secondly read your passage again and think about it. IT CANNOT be literal. Too many passages you have not considered shatter what you're saying.

*Do you have a literal seal on your head? Or...is that figurative language of being saved? Paul tells us WE ARE SEALED by the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption. Do you have a literal seal on you?

*How about when God said this to Israel in Deuteronomy 6:6-8::
6 These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart.
7 You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up.
8 You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be as frontals on your forehead.


Do you get the figurative or metaphorical language of that?

The beheading is typical of the chief way of execution time of this prophecy! Many Christians were beheaded in the great tribulation as Jerusalem and the temple fell. You're looking for an event that already happened.

What did Jesus say to the disciples in Matthew 24:9-11?:
9 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
10 At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another.
11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.


This was what would happen to all of the 12 but John. Look at what history records of the 12, from Foxes Book of Martyrs.
As long we we abide by what they text actually says, I have no problem with the literal 1000 year reign; as long as it is limited to those souls who were beheaded and refused the mark of the Beast and who took part in the first resurrection, which is the spiritual resurrection in Christ and not the second, general resurrection of the body; and as long as they don't try to make Christ come down and set up an earthly kingdom, when he is already reigning in the heavenly kingdom with those of the first resurrection.
I will say you have a LOT of problems with it. You have to think about what being said and abide by the fact that John is communicating in images. Many that have their precedence in the OT prophets.

Why does Jesus need to reign a thousand years...when He's already reigning?

No problem though...because time is going to tell you much of this IS NOT literal.
 
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Why would you say David never ascended to heaven? This (that the spirit and soul of the righteous dead go to heaven0 is one of the most common beliefs of the church. Remember Jesus said that God is the God of the LIVING, not of the dead. Did you forget that Paul wrote that "those who sleep in Jesus" He will bring with Him when He comes - PROVING they are in heaven. And How Paul wrote that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord?
Peter said it. David never ascended to heaven in a resurrected body. is what he meant. Jesus resurrected his own body and ascended to heaven.
 
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YOu are just as wrong as Dougg. Jesus sitting on the thone of DAVID is still FUTURE to us today. Do you just not understand the word "future?" Did you just tear out the last 9 chapters of the book of Ezekiel from your bible?
Did you spiritualize or symbolize John's clear passages of the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth? Do you just IGNORE what Isaiah said about that time on earth?
iamlamad I do believe that "Jesus sitting on the thone of DAVID is still FUTURE to us today".
 
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Peter said Jesus was on the throne of David at Pentecost when God poured out the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:29-35:
29 “Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
30 And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne,
31 he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay.
32 This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses.
33 Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear.
34 For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,

35 Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”’
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.”


To deny Jesus His rightful place given Him by God FROM the time of HIS RESURRECTION until He returns, and judges this world in righteousness, at which time when He finishes, Jesus will return the kingdom to God, is to be ignorant of the scriptures.

That's not a personal attack either, I use the word *ignorant* in it base meaning...which is to "lack knowledge" of something. If you don't know Jesus is reigning from David's throne right now, you stand in ignorance of the scriptures...REALLY!!!
 
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How does Michael cast the Dragon out of heaven? I'm not asking whether or not he did, I'm asking how he did. And what does it mean that Michael and his angels cast the Dragon and his angels out of heaven? Where is the heaven in which were the Dragon and his angels?​

There are three heavens -- the first heaven is the atmospheric heaven, the second heaven is outer space, and the third heaven is God's Heaven -- where He sits on His throne.

Satan and his evil angels were cast out of the third heaven when they rebelled (Isa 14:12) shortly after creation, but he and all his evil angels were allowed to inhabit the first (and possibly the second heaven). In Revelation 12, Michael and his angels cast Satan and his angels from the atmospheric heaven to the earth at the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation period. At that point Satan takes control of the earth for 3 1/2 years along with the Antichrist.​
 
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Peter said Jesus was on the throne of David at Pentecost when God poured out the Holy Spirit.
He said no such thing.

Christ is on His throne at the right hand of the Father. That was never David's throne, and never will be. David's throne will be established on this earth at the start of the Millennium.
 
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He said no such thing.

Christ is on His throne at the right hand of the Father. That was never David's throne, and never will be. David's throne will be established on this earth at the start of the Millennium.
So what does this mean in Acts 2:30, 31?:
30 And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne,
31 he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay.


Right there Peter is telling you the Davidic Covenant IS ABOUT Christ Job8!

Evidently, those Jews KNEW something you don't as well as those who Peter preached to at Pentecost because 3000 of them repented understanding Jesus is on the throne of David!!!

If you want to act like it isn't there...so be it!

Explain why when Jesus was in His ministry, He was called "THE SON OF DAVID".

Here are a few passages from Matthew's Gospel because Matthew's gospel is trying to convince Jews the Jesus is Messiah. This is why Matthew quotes more prophecies that Jesus fulfilled, than any other gospel:
Mathew 1:1:
The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Matthew 9:27:
As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed Him, crying out, “Have mercy on us, Son of David!”

Matthew 12:23
All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?”

Matthew 15:22:
And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-

Matthew 20:31
The crowd sternly told them to be quiet, but they cried out all the more, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on us!”

Matthew 21:9:
The crowds going ahead of Him, and those who followed, were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David; Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest!”

Matthew 21:15:
But when the chief priests and the scribes saw the wonderful things that He had done, and the children who were shouting in the temple, “Hosanna to the Son of David,” they became indignant

Matthew 22:42:
“What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?” They *said to Him,“The son of David.”

Now...please pay attention to what Jesus said in Matthew 22:43-46:
43 He *said to them, “Then how does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying,
44 ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Until I put Your enemies beneath Your feet”’?
45 If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?”


JESUS IS SAYING THE EXACT THING PETER SAID IN ACTS 2 PRIOR TO His crucifixion!!!

Job8 once again, if you can read all those passages, and not understand Jesus is PRESENTLY on David's throne...as I said, you have NO knowledge of what the scripture teaches on this matter.
 
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