The racist, sexist, homophobic anti-leftist crowd.

Autumnleaf · Feb 8, 2015

I caught up with a friend of mine last night. She has a union job and she told me some interesting things about the Tea Party and how the Left attacks them. She said they picketed them and called them names. She said doing that was enough to effectively neuter the Tea Party men. I asked if those names were true of them and she said it didn't matter. It worked and she makes a decent living at it. She said people don't even know where to begin to start to defend themselves against such accusations and that is why they are so effective.

Is it okay to use these tactics if it stops people from opposing the left's agenda?

Ken-1122 · Feb 8, 2015

Autumnleaf said:
I caught up with a friend of mine last night. She has a union job and she told me some interesting things about the Tea Party and how the Left attacks them. She said they picketed them and called them names. She said doing that was enough to effectively neuter the Tea Party men. I asked if those names were true of them and she said it didn't matter. It worked and she makes a decent living at it. She said people don't even know where to begin to start to defend themselves against such accusations and that is why they are so effective.

Is it okay to use these tactics if it stops people from opposing the left's agenda?

Do you really have to ask?
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St_Worm2 · Feb 8, 2015

For many who "know" they are right, no means, no matter how immoral a particular action or deception may be, is ever unjustified in their own eyes.

GenetoJean · Feb 8, 2015

Autumnleaf said:
I caught up with a friend of mine last night. She has a union job and she told me some interesting things about the Tea Party and how the Left attacks them. She said they picketed them and called them names. She said doing that was enough to effectively neuter the Tea Party men. I asked if those names were true of them and she said it didn't matter. It worked and she makes a decent living at it. She said people don't even know where to begin to start to defend themselves against such accusations and that is why they are so effective.

Is it okay to use these tactics if it stops people from opposing the left's agenda?

No, it is not. I really despise that tactic but I feel it is a loosing battle to try to get people to stop.

StephanieSomer · Feb 8, 2015

Autumnleaf said:
I caught up with a friend of mine last night. She has a union job and she told me some interesting things about the Tea Party and how the Left attacks them. She said they picketed them and called them names. She said doing that was enough to effectively neuter the Tea Party men. I asked if those names were true of them and she said it didn't matter. It worked and she makes a decent living at it. She said people don't even know where to begin to start to defend themselves against such accusations and that is why they are so effective.

Is it okay to use these tactics if it stops people from opposing the left's agenda?

No more ok than the right using the same tactics.

It's not a left/right issue. It's a moral issue. People of all stripes argue in unfairness and lies. Misrepresentation is all over the place.

BTW, I identify as right wing conservative. I just happen to recognize that I don't have, nor does anyone else have, the authority to inculcate or enforce my ideals on another individual. So, I tend to support the liberties of any group of people, regardless of whether or not I endorse their behavior.

Oafman · Feb 8, 2015

Autumnleaf said:
She said people don't even know where to begin to start to defend themselves against such accusations and that is why they are so effective.

People who are not racist or sexist ought to have a pretty easy time defending themselves against such accusations.

lisah · Feb 8, 2015

Autumnleaf said:
I caught up with a friend of mine last night. She has a union job and she told me some interesting things about the Tea Party and how the Left attacks them. She said they picketed them and called them names. She said doing that was enough to effectively neuter the Tea Party men. I asked if those names were true of them and she said it didn't matter. It worked and she makes a decent living at it. She said people don't even know where to begin to start to defend themselves against such accusations and that is why they are so effective.

Is it okay to use these tactics if it stops people from opposing the left's agenda?

She makes a living picketing and calling people names? How does she do that? How much does she get paid to do that. Doesn't she have a real job?

Autumnleaf · Feb 8, 2015

Its kind of like this only its a paid full time union position with benefits. She's a leader, not just a sign holder.

To Protest Hiring of Nonunion Help, Union Hires Nonunion Pickets - WSJ

She vaguely mentioned its connected with moveon.org but she wouldn't go in depth.

LionL · Feb 9, 2015

Sometimes the end justifies the means. An extreme example:

Murder is wrong. We all agree. Would a man who murdered Adolf Hitler in 1936 be justified in his actions?

This example is much more extreme than the question in point but how can the poor contend with the mega rich, media beloved right? They must use whatever means that are (legally) at their disposal. If the accusations are not true then they can be denied. It's no worse than the lies told en masse by the right wing media, businesses and political parties about the left.

Autumnleaf · Feb 9, 2015

LionL said:
Sometimes the end justifies the means. An extreme example:

Murder is wrong. We all agree. Would a man who murdered Adolf Hitler in 1936 be justified in his actions?

This example is much more extreme than the question in point but how can the poor contend with the mega rich, media beloved right? They must use whatever means that are (legally) at their disposal. If the accusations are not true then they can be denied. It's no worse than the lies told en masse by the right wing media, businesses and political parties about the left.

So, you agree with calling people those names when you know they don't apply to them?

The thing about the conservatives is they don't have it in them to lie like that, or even to argue on that kind of ambiguous moral ground. The screaming accusing leftists have their time. The problem comes when the second wave of the revolution happens as it did in the USSR. The Bolsheviks won. Shortly after that many of them were purged by the Stalinists.

When you undermine the moral majority of a society you undermine the people who can morally defend you from unfair or arbitrary attacks.

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I think the reason why many Bolsheviks were purged, killed, is because the regular conservatives were used to doing their jobs and under a new boss they did their jobs. The Bolsheviks, revolutionaries, were taught that after the revolution there would be a new place for them in running things. But you can only have so many chiefs and the rest have to be indians. So the bosses decide who to keep and the rest are potential revolutionaries for their them to have to deal with. So they have to dispose of their old allies in order to give their new government concrete they can build on.

Inkfingers · Feb 9, 2015

Oafman said:
People who are not racist or sexist ought to have a pretty easy time defending themselves against such accusations.

Not at all. It works on a presumption of guilt where innocence has to be proven, and there can never be enough evidence to prove innocence (which is why we presume innocence in court rather than vice versa). How can you prove that you are not racist? You cannot prove a negative.

The point of name-calling is to put the other person on the defensive (so that they are busy trying to counter the accusation rather than argue the actual point in hand). The point is also to destroy reasoned discussion and replace it with emotive posturing.

Strathos · Feb 9, 2015

Yeah, the Tea Party certainly isn't racist at all. I'm sure there's no reason other than political mudslinging anyone would ever accuse them of that...

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selfinflikted · Feb 9, 2015

Oafman said:
People who are not racist or sexist ought to have a pretty easy time defending themselves against such accusations.

This.

lisah · Feb 9, 2015

Autumnleaf said:
Its kind of like this only its a paid full time union position with benefits. She's a leader, not just a sign holder.

To Protest Hiring of Nonunion Help, Union Hires Nonunion Pickets - WSJ

She vaguely mentioned its connected with moveon.org but she wouldn't go in depth.

Well, I don't have anything good to say about Unions, which is probably obvious. Maybe there are good things, I just have not seen it yet.

HannahT · Feb 9, 2015

The point of name-calling is to put the other person on the defensive (so that they are busy trying to counter the accusation rather than argue the actual point in hand). The point is also to destroy reasoned discussion and replace it with emotive posturing.

I think people are getting tired of this too.

I also believe that is part of the reason the Dems got spanked last election. That is NOT to say that all Dems do that, but when you tend to overplay the ones that do the above as a profession? They tend to get lumped in with them. Its the nature of the beast.

There are some Dems I have great respect for, but they are overshadowed by people like Pelosis - who quite frankly I think is coo coo for coco puffs! I can't even count the number of times she claimed the sky was falling. lol I mean according to her past statements? They world as we know it has now changed FOREVER...because of their loss. Talk about a drama queen. I have to wonder if she is capable of being rational.

The way things are presented today I have to wonder if the media would allow rational discussion to happen. I can't name one outlet that doesn't get caught up in the emotions and drama of it all. I mean its sad when you have to read a couple of different news outlets just to MAYBE catch a grasp of what is really happening. I think they count you not doing that personally.

StephanieSomer · Feb 9, 2015

Strathos said:
Yeah, the Tea Party certainly isn't racist at all. I'm sure there's no reason other than political mudslinging anyone would ever accuse them of that...

I looked closely at each pic and saw nothing in any of them which would associate those pics with the Tea Party. Nobody holding one of those signs had anything which identified them as Tea Partyists.

bill5 · Feb 9, 2015

StephanieSomer said:
No more ok than the right using the same tactics.

It's not a left/right issue. It's a moral issue. People of all stripes argue in unfairness and lies. Misrepresentation is all over the place.

BTW, I identify as right wing conservative. I just happen to recognize that I don't have, nor does anyone else have, the authority to inculcate or enforce my ideals on another individual. So, I tend to support the liberties of any group of people, regardless of whether or not I endorse their behavior.

Wow somebody else gets it. I admit that's about the last response I expected. Props to you

Sadly, you can see how much in the minority we are.

Watching or reading left vs right debates is for me usually like watching a couple of 3 yr olds fight.

HannahT · Feb 9, 2015

StephanieSomer said:
I looked closely at each pic and saw nothing in any of them which would associate those pics with the Tea Party. Nobody holding one of those signs had anything which identified them as Tea Partyists.

It only takes a couple of wacko's in order for those that don't agree to label the whole bunch. (Even if they were or were not Tea Party signs)

Problem is they love that - until it happens to them. Then its different. Then its unfair. Then your haters...the list goes on.

It would be nice if people could mature a bit, but I don't count on it. I mean to many people get their news from their twitter feed headlines, and never read the content!

Strathos · Feb 9, 2015

Those pictures were all taken from Tea Party rallies

Autumnleaf · Feb 9, 2015

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