What Is The "NAME" Of The God Of Jesus Christ?

SpiritRehab · Feb 4, 2015

4x4toy said:
The Lord is a man of war 15:3

1. Do you believe or reject the following?
a. The Hebrew Scriptures read YHWH, not LORD,
b. The Translations replaced the name YHWH with LORD.

2. Do you not believe God when He says, "this is my name," ?

Exodus 3:15 - And God said moreover unto Moses, 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, YHWH God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Leviticus 19:12 - And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am YHWH.

1st Kings 8:17 - And it was in the heart of David, my father, to build an house for the name of YHWH, God of Israel.

Jeremiah 16:21 - Therefore behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is YHWH.

Psalm 118:26 - Blessed be he who cometh in the name of YHWH; we have blessed you out of the house of YHWH.

Why would God say so much about His name and command us not to blaspheme His name, if He never told us His name?

His name is YHWH.

4x4toy · Feb 4, 2015

RebornRising2014 said:
1. Do you believe or reject the following?
a. The Hebrew Scriptures read YHWH, not LORD,
b. The Translations replaced the name YHWH with LORD.

2. Do you not believe God when He says, "this is my name," ?

Exodus 3:15 - And God said moreover unto Moses, 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, YHWH God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Leviticus 19:12 - And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am YHWH.

1st Kings 8:17 - And it was in the heart of David, my father, to build an house for the name of YHWH, God of Israel.

Jeremiah 16:21 - Therefore behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is YHWH.

Psalm 118:26 - Blessed be he who cometh in the name of YHWH; we have blessed you out of the house of YHWH.

Why would God say so much about His name and command us not to blaspheme His name, if He never told us His name?

His name is YHWH.

Look it is what it is , How do you pronounce YHWH ?
Do you say Father Y-H-W-H ? I understand what you're saying but on the other hand why the mystery .. I know YHWH is God but that ain't a name you can call .. Tell me , when you call on God what name do you use ?

SpiritRehab · Feb 4, 2015

4x4toy said:
Look it is what it is , How do you pronounce YHWH ?
Do you say Father Y-H-W-H ? I understand what you're saying but on the other hand why the mystery .. I know YHWH is God but that ain't a name you can call .. Tell me , when you call on God what name do you use ?

I say YaHWeH,
others say YeHoVaH,
but however you pronounce His name,
YHWH is the name of the Father,
as Scripture plainly states many times.

For CFUser:RevelationTestament to say
"...God the Father chose not to reveal a personal name..."
just because we don't know how to pronounce it,
is to deny Scripture.

Pronunciation is another matter.
My name is Robert,
french people pronounce my name Hobare,
but I understand they are addressing me
and I listen & respond as though there was no difference.

Our Saviour's name is Yashua.
His name doesn't sound even remotely like Jesus.
Yet He has helped me many times,
when I called on Him by His Anglicized-Greko name.

Our Father in Heaven is far more loving & understanding than us.
Our lack of knowledge on how to pronounce His name
is no reason to claim He never revealed His name.

Isaiah 48:2 - 2 you who call yourselves citizens of the holy city and rely on the God of Israel-- YHWH Almighty is His name:

RevelationTestament · Feb 4, 2015

RebornRising2014 said:
For CFUser:RevelationTestament to say
"...God the Father chose not to reveal a personal name..."
just because we don't know how to pronounce it,
is to deny Scripture.

I'm not sure what your deal is with me, but I have never said that, so you better check your quotation.

brinny · Feb 4, 2015

*subscribing*

RevelationTestament · Feb 4, 2015

4x4toy said:
Look it is what it is , How do you pronounce YHWH ?

That is what we have been discussing. YHWH is the transliteration of the ancient Hebrew into English without the vowels, so is how the name appeared in the ancient Hebrew before they wrote any vowel marks or cantillations.

Do you say Father Y-H-W-H ? I understand what you're saying but on the other hand why the mystery

Why without the vowels? Because the Jews went through a stage where they believed the name was too holy to pronounce so history has it that they inserted the vowels from adonai or lords or master into the name when they spoke it. Thus, history is confused as to whether they still know the correct vowels, so when translators went to translate it in English they weren't sure of the exact translation. Some ended up with Jehovah. Based on other Hebrew words with the name in them, I feel this is the correct transliteration. Thus, it would be pronounced Ya-ho-vah. There are Jews who have promoted the Yahweh pronunciation for various reasons, yet some still acknowledge that Jehovah is the correct transliteration. I am beginning to doubt the Yahweh pronunciation.

I know YHWH is God but that ain't a name you can call .. Tell me , when you call on God what name do you use ?

When I pray to God, I use Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus Christ. In the Hebrew my Father is Avinu or Ah-vee-nu
I believe scripture shows both the Father and the Son are YHWH Elohim and that Christ speaks as such in the OT at times. However, I believe only the Father is El Elyon, the Most High God.
Cheers

Albion · Feb 4, 2015

"Name" = correct identity.

SpiritRehab · Feb 4, 2015

RevelationTestament said:
I'm not sure what your deal is with me, but I have never said that, so you better check your quotation.

Whoops, sorry man.
I mixed who I was quoting with who I was replying to.
4x4Toy said it and my reply was to you.
My mistake <

Inkfingers · Feb 4, 2015

God's name is "He that IS". That is what YHWH means, translated to English.

RevelationTestament · Feb 4, 2015

Inkfingers said:
God's name is "He that IS". That is what YHWH means, translated to English.

Actually, no one is really sure of its exact meaning. The name was given to the Hebrews, but I am not sure if they ever fully understood it. It is important to note that God tends to use names which reflect what He is for the people. In Hebrew the ancient language was pictographic. So the meaning of each letter determined the meaning of the word. In the case of YHVH the meaning of each letter is Behold nail behold hand. Both the Father and the Son share this name. I further believe that the name essentially means I am the life/way/word based on a root verb and the revelation of Christ. To be or exist is to breathe, and to breathe was to have life and speak.
Cheers

RevelationTestament · Feb 4, 2015

RebornRising2014 said:
Whoops, sorry man.
I mixed who I was quoting with who I was replying to.
4x4Toy said it and my reply was to you.
My mistake <

OK, no prob bro

Inkfingers · Feb 4, 2015

RevelationTestament said:
Actually, no one is really sure of it's exact meaning. The name was given to the Hebrews, but I am not sure if they ever fully understood it. It is important to not that God tends to use names which reflect what He is for the people. In Hebrew the ancient language was pictographic. So the meaning of each letter determined the meaning of the word. In the case of YHVH the meaning of each letter is Behold nail behold hand. Both the Father and the Son share this name. I further believe that the name essentially means I am the life/way/word based on a root verb and the revelation of Christ. To be or exist is to breathe, and to breathe was to have life and speak.
Cheers

To the best of my awareness, you are correct there.

When Moses asks God's name, God essentially replies "I am the only one who actually IS".

SpiritRehab · Feb 4, 2015

The exact meaning of YHWH is,
Behold Hand Behold Nail.

The Hebrew letter Yod is depicted by an Arm & Hand
The Hebrew letter Wav is depicted by a Nail
and the Hebrew letter Hey is depicted by a Y with a circle between the two arms.
Like a man with his arms in the air, yelling Hey, look here.

YHWH
Hand Behold Nail Behold
It is a clear sign that Jesus is God.

We know the meaning,
we just don't know the pronunciation.

ps. People believe YHWH means, "I Exist," or "He Exists"
because of Exodus 3:14, but the name given there isn't YHWH.
It's AHYH ASR AHYH,
pronounced, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh,
means, I Will be What I Will Be
or I Am Who I Am,
when referencing a person.

4x4toy · Feb 5, 2015

RebornRising2014 said:
The exact meaning of YHWH is,
Behold Hand Behold Nail.

The Hebrew letter Yod is depicted by an Arm & Hand
The Hebrew letter Wav is depicted by a Nail
and the Hebrew letter Hey is depicted by a Y with a circle between the two arms.
Like a man with his arms in the air, yelling Hey, look here.

YHWH
Hand Behold Nail Behold
It is a clear sign that Jesus is God.

We know the meaning,
we just don't know the pronunciation.

ps. People believe YHWH means, "I Exist," or "He Exists"
because of Exodus 3:14, but the name given there isn't YHWH.
It's AHYH ASR AHYH,
pronounced, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh,
means, I Will be What I Will Be
or I Am Who I Am,
when referencing a person.

I think the point may have been that if the Father had a clear cut name for himself , then people would think they could know or access him other than knowing the Son .. Jesus defines God perfectly in real observable terms .. God the Father is not the stumbling block , The Son Jesus is ..

SpiritRehab · Feb 5, 2015

4x4toy said:
I think the point may have been that if the Father had a clear cut name for himself , then people would think they could know or access him other than knowing the Son .. Jesus defines God perfectly in real observable terms .. God the Father is not the stumbling block , The Son Jesus is ..

God the Father's name is as Clear Cut as God the Son's name.

People say:
Jahova & Jesus,
Yahweh & Yashua,
Yehovah & Yehoshua,
Yahuveh & Yeshua,
Yihweh & Yahoshua,

"Jesus" is even further from the accurate pronunciation of the Son's name, than Yahweh is from the accurate pronunciation of the Father's name.
Both lack the vowels in the Hebrew.

YHWH
YSVA

I don't understand why anyone would say the Father's name is not known?
The name of the Father is recorded 6,823+ times in the OT alone.

rakovsky · Jan 7, 2017

SpiritRehab said:
The exact meaning of YHWH is,
Behold Hand Behold Nail.

The Hebrew letter Yod is depicted by an Arm & Hand
The Hebrew letter Wav is depicted by a Nail
and the Hebrew letter Hey is depicted by a Y with a circle between the two arms.
Like a man with his arms in the air, yelling Hey, look here.

YHWH
Hand Behold Nail Behold
It is a clear sign that Jesus is God.

We know the meaning,
we just don't know the pronunciation.

ps. People believe YHWH means, "I Exist," or "He Exists"
because of Exodus 3:14, but the name given there isn't YHWH.
It's AHYH ASR AHYH,
pronounced, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh,
means, I Will be What I Will Be
or I Am Who I Am,
when referencing a person.

Hello, Spirit Rehab.

Here is what Exodus 3 says:

13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

I have put the parts that are relevant in bold. I think "Lord" in the above was a replacement word for YHWH. "I Am" in English is also translated from YHWH. "I am That I am" is the "AHYH ASR AHYH" you referred to.

It's an interesting question what YHWH/"I AM" actually meant to the writers of the Torah. I read that grammatically it would be aberrational in Hebrew to be a form of a normal verb like "to be", so some people question whether it really means "I AM".

But supposing that Yod means Arm, Heh means behold, etc., my question to you is where else in Hebrew is it known and agreed on by Jews and scholars that a Hebrew word of four letters or more bears the explicit combined meaning of the pictures that compose it?

I don't mean something like "Aleph + Beth = Strength of the House = Father"

I mean what examples are there where all the letters' pictoral meanings directly sum up to be the meaning of a four letter word, which is what you are proposing for the direct explicit meaning of YHWH?
(eg. Aleph + Beth + Yod + Aleph = Strongly Housed Ox Arm")

I do think you are raising an interesting issue, so I made a thread here:
Judaism Issue: Has anyone in the past read YHWH's letters acronymically per their pictoral meaning?

stuart lawrence · Jan 7, 2017

barryrob said:
What is the NAME of the God of Jesus Christ?

Jesus said at:-

K.J.V. Matthew 6:9
"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy NAME."

K.J.V. John 17:6
"I have manifested thy NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word."

K.J.V. John 17:26
"And I have declared unto them thy NAME, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them."

Also Simeon said at:-

K.J.V. Acts 15:14
"Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his NAME."

What is that "NAME"?

Barry

His name is God, also known as Father

he-man · Jan 8, 2017

4x4toy said:
I think the point may have been that if the Father had a clear cut name for himself , then people would think they could know or access him other than knowing the Son .. Jesus defines God perfectly in real observable terms .. God the Father is not the stumbling block , The Son Jesus is ..

The pictograph represents strength, the represents the tent. Combined these mean "the strength of the house". Definition: This can be the tent poles which hold up the tent, the house, as well as the father who holds up the family, the household. Strong's #: 1
The "vav" is pronounced "v" as in visit. When the vav is prefixed to a word it means "and".
God (Masc. Noun) אֵל The Hholam Maley. The dot above the "vav" is pronounced "o" as in open. The "vav" becomes silent. When this "vav" is suffixed to a word it means "to him" or "his".
In [the] beginning God created. בְּרֵאשִׁית בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים
The letter lamed, , the twelvth letter, is a picture of a shepherd staff and represents the sound "L" as well as the concept of "authority," from the authority of the shepherd over the flock.

When these two letters are combined, we have the Hebrew word (EL, written as אל in the Modern Hebrew alphabet, Strong's #410), the "strong authority." It is in the power of my hand to do you hurt. (Genesis 31:29, KJV)
This passage includes the Hebrew word EL, which in the King James Version is translated as "power." However, a better translation, based on the pictures of the word EL, would be "There is strength and authority in my hand to do you hurt." The Hebrew biliteral root A-L The Hebrew word (el) is spelled aleph-lamed. The (aleph), the picture of an ox, represents strength and the (lamed) is a picture of a shepherd staff representing "authority." These letters form the Hebrew word meaning the "the strong authority" and is the Hebrew word for God.
Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth. (Genesis 14:19, KJV) This passage also uses the same Hebrew word EL, but in the King James Version it is translated as "God." Based on the pictures of the word El, a better translation would be "Blessed be Abram of the most high strength and authority, possessor of heaven and earth." When we see the word "God" from a western perspective we see an old bearded man sitting on a throne in the clouds. When the ancient Hebrew's see the word "EL," they see the strength of an ox and the authority of a shepherd.

Der Alte · Jan 8, 2017

SpiritRehab said:
The exact meaning of YHWH is,
Behold Hand Behold Nail.

The Hebrew letter Yod is depicted by an Arm & Hand
The Hebrew letter Wav is depicted by a Nail
and the Hebrew letter Hey is depicted by a Y with a circle between the two arms.
Like a man with his arms in the air, yelling Hey, look here.

This is the lexical fallacy,

Root fallacy: assigning the (supposed) original meaning of a word to its usages throughout history;

YHWH
Hand Behold Nail Behold
It is a clear sign that Jesus is God.
We know the meaning,
we just don't know the pronunciation.

Jewish Encyclopedia-Names of God
In appearance, Yhwh (יהוה) is the third person singular imperfect "kal" of the verb ( הוה ("to be"), meaning, therefore, "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives," the root idea of the word being, probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Ex. iii. 14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am" (אהיה, from ( היה, the later equivalent of the archaic stem ( הוה). The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought. There is no doubt that the idea of life was intimately connected with the name Yhwh from early times. He is the living God, as contrasted with the lifeless gods of the heathen, and He is the source and author of life (comp. I Kings xviii.; Isa. xli. 26-29, xliv. 6-20; Jer. x. 10, 14; Gen. ii. 7; etc.). So familiar is this conception of God to the Hebrew mind that it appears in the common formula of an oath, "hai Yhwh" ( חי־יהוה = "as Yhwh lives"; Ruth iii. 13; I Sam. xiv. 45; etc.).
.....If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh ((יהוה) or Yahaweh (יהוה). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (יה) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (יהו), and Jo or Yo (יו contracted from יהו , which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (יהו ) in the second part of such names. The fact may also be mentioned that in Samaritan poetry יהוה rimes with words similar in ending to Yahweh, and Theodoret ("Quæst. 15 in Exodum") states that the Samaritans pronounced the name Iαβέ. Epiphanius ascribes the same pronunciation to an early Christian sect. Clement of Alexandria, still more exactly, pronounces 'Iαουέ or 'Iαουαί, and Origen, 'Iα. Aquila wrote the name in archaic Hebrew letters. In the Jewish-Egyptian magic-papyri it appears as Ιαωουηε. At least as early as the third century B.C. the name seems to have been regarded by the Jews as a "nomen ineffabile," on the basis of a somewhat extreme interpretation of Ex. xx. 7 and Lev. xxiv. 11 (see Philo, "De Vita Mosis," iii. 519, 529). Written only in consonants, the true pronunciation was forgotten by them. The Septuagint, and after it the New Testament, invariably render κύριος ("the Lord").
Jewish Encyclopedia online

ps. People believe YHWH means, "I Exist," or "He Exists"
because of Exodus 3:14, but the name given there isn't YHWH.
It's AHYH ASR AHYH,
pronounced, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh,
means, I Will be What I Will Be
or I Am Who I Am,
when referencing a person.

See above.

Der Alte · Jan 8, 2017

SpiritRehab said:
1. Do you believe or reject the following?
a. The Hebrew Scriptures read YHWH, not LORD,
b. The Translations replaced the name YHWH with LORD.
2. Do you not believe God when He says, "this is my name," ?
Exodus 3:15 - And God said moreover unto Moses, 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, YHWH God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Leviticus 19:12 - And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am YHWH.
1st Kings 8:17 - And it was in the heart of David, my father, to build an house for the name of YHWH, God of Israel.
Jeremiah 16:21 - Therefore behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is YHWH.
Psalm 118:26 - Blessed be he who cometh in the name of YHWH; we have blessed you out of the house of YHWH.
Why would God say so much about His name and command us not to blaspheme His name, if He never told us His name?
His name is YHWH.

How many times did Jesus use the name YHYWH?

What Is The "NAME" Of The God Of Jesus Christ?

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