Church Fathers & Reformers on Daniels 70 Weeks

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[Here is a list of quotes from Josephus, Church Fathers, and Reformers on Daniel's 70 weeks. All of them together were unified on the doctrine that Daniel's 70 weeks were fulfilled at the siege of Jerusalem in 70, without exception.]

  • Josephus, Antiquities, Book X, Chap. 11, Sec. In the very same manner Daniel also wrote concerning the Roman government, and that our country should be made desolate by them. All these things did this man leave in writing, as God had showed them to him, insomuch that such as read his prophecies, and see how they have been fulfilled, would wonder at the honor wherewith God honored Daniel.

  • Tertullian (c. 160-225) An Answer to the Jews: Chap. XIII.--Argument from the Destruction of Jerusalem and Desolation of Judea. Therefore, since the sons of Israel affirm that we err in receiving the Christ, who is already come, let us put in a demurrer against them out of the Scriptures themselves, to the effect that the Christ who was the theme of prediction is come; albeit by the times of Daniel's prediction we have proved that the Christ is come already who was the theme of announcement. [...] A second time, in fact, let us show that Christ is already come, (as foretold) through the prophets, and has suffered, and is already received back in the heavens, and thence is to come accordingly as the predictions prophesied. For, after His advent, we read, according to Daniel, that the city itself had to be exterminated; and we recognise that so it has befallen. For the Scripture says thus, that "the city and the holy place are simultaneously exterminated together with the leader," --undoubtedly (that Leader) who was to proceed "from Bethlehem," and from the tribe of "Judah." Whence, again, it is manifest that "the city must simultaneously be exterminated" at the time when its "Leader" had to suffer in it, (as foretold) through the Scriptures of the prophets, who say: "I have outstretched my hands the whole day unto a People contumacious and gainsaying Me, who walketh in a way not good, but after their own sins."

  • Clement of Alexandria The Stromata, Book 1, Chap. XXI (c. A.D. 190) From the captivity at Babylon, which took place in the time of Jeremiah the prophet, was fulfilled what was spoken by Daniel the prophet as follows [...] That the temple accordingly was built in seven weeks, is evident; for it is written in Esdras. And thus Christ became King of the Jews, reigning in Jerusalem in the fulfilment of the seven weeks. And in the sixty and two weeks the whole of Judæa was quiet, and without wars. And Christ our Lord, "the Holy of Holies," having come and fulfilled the vision and the prophecy, was anointed in His flesh by the Holy Spirit of His Father. In those "sixty and two weeks," as the prophet said, and "in the one week," was He Lord. The half of the week Nero held sway, and in the holy city Jerusalem placed the abomination; and in the half of the week he was taken away, and Otho, and Galba, and Vitellius. And Vespasian rose to the supreme power, and destroyed Jerusalem, and desolated the holy place. And that such are the facts of the case, is clear to him that is able to understand, as the prophet said.

  • Origen, De Principiis, Book IV: Chap. 1, Sec. 5 (c. A.D. 225) The weeks of years, also, which the prophet Daniel had predicted, extending to the leadership of Christ, have been fulfilled.

  • Athenasius of Alexandria (c. 296-373) On the Incarnation of the Word, Sec. 39. Do you look for another? But Daniel foretells the exact time. Objections to this removed. But on this one point, above all, they shall be all the more refuted, not at our hands, but at those of the most wise Daniel, who marks both the actual date, and the divine sojourn of the Saviour, saying: "Seventy weeks are cut short upon thy people, and upon the holy city, for a full end to be made of sin, and for sins to be sealed up, and to blot out iniquities, and to make atonement for iniquities, and to bring everlasting righteousness, and to seal vision and prophet, and to anoint a Holy of Holies; and thou shalt know and understand from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Christ the Prince" 3. Perhaps with regard to the other (prophecies) they may be able even to find excuses and to put off what is written to a future time. But what can they say to this, or can they face it at all?

  • Eusebius, Proof of the Gospels, Book VIII, Chap. 2 (c. A.D. 310)

  • Eusebius, Church History: Book III, Chap. 5.--The Last Siege of the Jews after Christ. 1. After Nero had held the power thirteen years, and Galba and Otho had ruled a year and six months, Vespasian, who had become distinguished in the campaigns against the Jews, was proclaimed sovereign in Judea and received the title of Emperor from the armies there. Setting out immediately, therefore, for Rome, he entrusted the conduct of the war against the Jews to his son Titus.[...] 3. But the people of the church in Jerusalem had been commanded by a revelation, vouchsafed to approved men there before the war, to leave the city and to dwell in a certain town of Perea called Pella. And when those that believed in Christ had come thither from Jerusalem, then, as if the royal city of the Jews and the whole land of Judea were entirely destitute of holy men, the judgment of God at length overtook those who had committed such outrages against Christ and his apostles, and totally destroyed that generation of impious men. 4. But the number of calamities which everywhere fell upon the nation at that time; the extreme misfortunes to which the inhabitants of Judea were especially subjected, the thousands of men, as well as women and children, that perished by the sword, by famine, and by other forms of death innumerable,--all these things, as well as the many great sieges which were carried on against the cities of Judea, and the excessive. sufferings endured by those that fled to Jerusalem itself, as to a city of perfect safety, and finally the general course of the whole war, as well as its particular occurrences in detail, and how at last the abomination of desolation, proclaimed by the prophets, stood in the very temple of God, so celebrated of old, the temple which was now awaiting its total and final destruction by fire,--all these things any one that wishes may find accurately described in the history written by Josephus. 5. But it is necessary to state that this writer records that the multitude of those who were assembled from all Judea at the time of the Passover, to the number of three million souls, were shut up in Jerusalem "as in a prison," to use his own words. 6. For it was right that in the very days in which they had inflicted suffering upon the Saviour and the Benefactor of all, the Christ of God, that in those days, shut up "as in a prison," they should meet with destruction at the hands of divine justice.

  • Ephraim & Aphrahat, Demonstrations: Demonstration XXI:4 (c. A.D. 345) And Jerusalem has been inhabited, after the Babylonians laid it waste, during those seventy weeks about which Daniel testified. Then it was laid waste in its last destruction by the Romans, and it shall not be inhabited again for ever, for it abideth in desolation unto the accomplishment of the things that have been determined.

  • Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 313-386), Catachetecal Lectures, XII: 19. But we seek still more clearly the proof of the time of His coming. For man being hard to persuade, unless he gets the very years for a clear calculation, does not believe what is stated. What then is the season, and what the manner of the time? It is when, on the failure of the kings descended from Judah, Herod a foreigner succeeds to the kingdom? The Angel, therefore, who converses with Daniel says, and do thou now mark the words, And thou shalt know and understand: From the going forth of the word for making answer , and for the building of Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince are seven weeks and three score and two weeks. Now three score and nine weeks of years contain four hundred and eighty-three years. He said, therefore, that after the building of Jerusalem, four hundred and eighty-three years having passed, and the rulers having failed, then cometh a certain king of another race, in whose time the Christ is to be born.

  • John Chrysostom (c. 347-407) Homilies on Matthew Homily XLIII Since then you will not attend, but have wrecked yourselves in greater wickedness (for to kill prophets was a crime not nearly so great and grievous as to slay Him); therefore your sufferings will be more grievous than the former, those at Babylon, I mean, and in Egypt, and under the first Antiochus. Because what things befell them in the time of Vespasian and Titus, were very far more grievous than those. Whereof also He said, "There shall be great tribulation, such as never was, neither shall be." Homily LXIX What then did He after these things? Since they were not willing to come, yea and also slew those that came unto them; He burns up their cities, and sent His armies and slew them. And these things He saith, declaring beforehand the things that took place under Vespasian and Titus, and that they provoked the father also, by not believing in Him; it is the father at any rate who was avenging. And for this reason let me add, not straightway after Christ was slain did the capture take place, but after forty years, that He might show His long suffering, when they had slain Stephen, when they had put James to death, when they had spitefully entreated the apostles. Seest thou the truth of the event, and its quickness? For while John was yet living, and many other of them that were with Christ, these things came to pass, and they that had heard these words were witnesses of the events.

  • Augustine of Hippo, Reply to Faustus the Manichaean, Book XII:44 (c. A.D. 390) The same Saviour is spoken of in Daniel, where the Son of man appears before the Ancient of days, and receives a kingdom without end, that all nations may serve Him. In the passage quoted from Daniel by the Lord Himself, "When ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place, let him that readeth understand," the number of weeks points not only to Christ, but to the very time of His advent. With the Jews, who look to Christ for salvation as we do, but deny that He has come and suffered, we can argue from actual events. Besides the conversion of the heathen, now so universal, as prophesied of Christ in their own Scriptures, there are the events in the history of the Jews themselves. Their holy place is thrown down, the sacrifice has ceased, and the priest, and the ancient anointing; which was all clearly foretold by Daniel when he prophesied of the anointing of the Most Holy. Now, that all these things have taken place, we ask the Jews for the anointed Most Holy, and they have no answer to give.

  • Sulpicius Severus (c. 363-425), Sacred History, Book II, Chap. 30. This afterwards passed to Vespasian, and although that was accomplished by evil means, yet it had the good effect of rescuing the state from the hands of the wicked. While Vespasian was besieging Jerusalem, he took possession of the imperial power; and as the fashion is, he was saluted as emperor by the army, with a diadem placed upon his head. He made his son Titus, Cæsar; and assigned him a portion of the forces, along with the task of continuing the siege of Jerusalem. Vespasian set out for Rome, and was received with the greatest favor by the senate and people; and Vitellius having killed himself, his hold of the sovereign power was fully confirmed. [...] Titus is said, after calling a council, to have first deliberated whether he should destroy the temple, a structure of such extraordinary work. For it seemed good to some that a sacred edifice, distinguished above all human achievements, ought not to be destroyed, inasmuch as, if preserved, it would furnish an evidence of Roman moderation, but, if destroyed, would serve for a perpetual proof of Roman cruelty. But on the opposite side, others and Titus himself thought that the temple ought specially to be overthrown, in order that the religion of the Jews and of the Christians might more thoroughly be subverted; for that these religions, although contrary to each other, had nevertheless proceeded from the same authors; that the Christians had sprung up from among the Jews; and that, if the root were extirpated, the offshoot would speedily perish. Thus, according to the divine will, the minds of all being inflamed, the temple was destroyed, three hundred and thirty-one years ago. And this last overthrow of the temple, and final captivity of the Jews, by which, being exiles from their native land, they are beheld scattered through the whole world, furnish a daily demonstration to the world, that they have been punished on no other account than for the impious hands which they laid upon Christ. For though on other occasions they were often given over to captivity on account of their sins, yet they never paid the penalty of slavery beyond a period of seventy years.

  • Martin Luther (1483-1546) Sermon for the Twenty-Fifth Sunday after Trinity; Matthew 24:15-28 All this pertains still to the Jewish nation. For if this should come upon us at the end of the world, then would we, according to the text, have to be in the land of Judea, because he really points to that country. It is also true, when he says that no greater calamity has been or can be upon the earth than was at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem; as we see in history, how unmercifully they were slaughtered and even killed one another, cast themselves into the fire, and permitted themselves to kill one another. Yea, the famine was so great that they ate the strings of cross-bows and even their own children. It was so shameful and abominable that like pity and distress shall never be heard again.

  • John Calvin (1509-64), Commentary on Daniel Vol. II, 9:27 But we are now treating of a profanation of the temple, which should prove, if I may use the phrase, eternal and irreparable. Without the slightest doubt, this prophecy was fulfilled when the city was captured and overthrown, and the temple utterly destroyed by Titus the son of Vespasian.
 
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Well done, Michael.

The reference in Josephus' ANTIQUITIES is more clear than the ones in JEWISH WAR.

I post it for reference purposes in order to combat the prevalent falsehood that the church fathers did not hold Daniel's 70 weeks to be fulfilled in the siege of Jerusalem.

It is long since past duet to make corrections to this egregious error.
 
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These are a couple more:

"It is quite clear that seven times seventy weeks reckoned in years amounts to 490. That was therefore the period determined for Daniel's people, which limited the total length of the Jewish nation's existence. And he no longer calls them here "God's people,"' but Daniel's, saying, "thy people." Just as when they sinned and worshipped idols in the wilderness, God called them no more His people, but Moses', saying, "Go, descend, for thy people has sinned." ." [William John Ferrar, From Daniel ix. 20-27, "Eusebius: Proof of the Gospel Vol II." MacMillan & Co., 1920, Book VIII.2, p.118]


"1. This passage, therefore, as it stands thus, touches on many marvellous things. At present, however, I shall speak only of those things in it which bear upon chronology, and matters connected therewith. That the passage speaks then of the advent of Christ, who was to manifest Himself after seventy weeks, is evident. For in the Saviour's time, or from Him, are transgressions abrogated, and sins brought to an end. And through remission, moreover, are iniquities, along with offences, blotted out by expiation; and an everlasting righteousness is preached, different from that which is by the law, and visions and prophecies (are) until John, and the Most Holy is anointed. For before the advent of the Saviour these things were not yet, and were therefore only looked for. And the beginning of the numbers, that is, of the seventy weeks which make up 490 years, the angel instructs us to take from the going forth of the commandment to answer and to build Jerusalem. And this happened in the twentieth year of the reign of Artaxerxes king of Persia." [Roberts & Donaldson, The Extant Writings of Julius Africanus, "Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol 06: 3rd Century." Charles Scribner's Sons, 1886, Dan 9:24, III.xvi.1, p.134-135]


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It is completely true that the church as a whole gave up the doctrine that Daniel's seventieth week remained to be fulfilled in the future. But that was very unquestionable the earliest doctrine of the church.

The very oldest commentary on scripture clearly taught that the seventieth week remained to be fulfilled in the future. Writing sometime around 130-140 years after Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed, Hyppolytus said:

“For after sixty-two weeks was fulfilled and after Christ has come and the Gospel has been preached in every place, times having been spun out, the end remains one week away, in which Elijah and Enoch shall be present and in its half the abomination of desolation, the Antichrist, shall appear who threatens desolation of the world. After he comes, sacrifice and drink offering, which now in every way is offered by the nations to God, shall be taken away.” (Commentary on Daniel, by Hyppolytus, book 4, 35.3)

Hyppolytus returned to this subject some pages later, writing:

“Just as also he spoke to Daniel, “And he shall establish a covenant with many for one week and it will be that in the half of the week he shall take away my sacrifice and drink offering,” so that the one week may be shown as divided into two, after the two witnesses will have preached for three and a half years, the Antichrist will wage war against the saints the remainder of the week and will desolate all the world so that what was spoken may be fulfilled, “And they will give the abomination of desolation one thousand two hundred ninety days. Blessed is he who endures to Christ and reaches the one thousand three hundred thirty-five days!” (Commentary on Daniel, by Hyppolytus, book 4, 50.2)

(These are taken from the The “Commentary on Daniel,” by Hyppolytus, is believed to have been written between the years 202 and 211, and is the very oldest Christian commentary on scripture that has survived to the present day. All quotations of Hyppolytus in this article are taken from the translation by T. C. Schmidt, previously available online at http://www.chronicon.net, and now available in book form.)

And around 15 to thirty years earlier, Irenaeus clearly referred to a future fulfillment of the week in the very oldest Christian commentary on Bible prophecy (of any significant length) that has survived to the present day. Irenaeus said:

“And then he points out the time that his tyranny shall last, during which the saints shall be put to flight, they who offer a pure sacrifice unto God: ‘And in the midst of the week,’ he says, ‘the sacrifice and the libation shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation [shall be brought] into the temple: even unto the consummation of the time shall the desolation be complete.’ Now three years and six months constitute the half-week.” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book V, chapter XXV, section 4)

(The comment of Irenaeus is taken from from Volume 1 of “The Early Church Fathers: Ante-Nicene Fathers,” edited by Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, as found in its American edition edited by A. Cleveland Coxe, and as found online at Christian Classics Ethereal Library.)

So we need to forget the lie that the early church fathers never taught this.
 
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Ok, so two patristic quotes out of the all the ones we have appear to hold out the last half week as coming in the future for Antichrist- Irenaeus and Hyppolytus - let the possiblity for one half week to the be fulfilled in the future. It is however beyond question that they only held one half week as remaining, the 69 and one half had been fulfilled.

Josephus, the single earliest extra-biblical quote we have on the fulfillment of this from a Jewish perspective, clearly states that Daniel's 70 weeks are fulfilled in the desolation of the Temple as it is written in Daniel. Every other quote from the patristics from Clement of Alexandria on holds that the 70 weeks are complete without exception. The church doesn't seem to have 'given up' the idea of a final half week to be fulfilled. Irenaeus and Hyppolytus seem to be the exceptions to the rule in order to have room for this Antichrist who was to come. They also seem to confound the prophecies concerning Antiochus concerning this. They both made the same error. Nobody else followed them.
 
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But let's get one thing straight before you begin to explain. This is a prophesy for the Jews, "Thy (Daniel's) people."

Dan.9:26, "Unto the end of the war desolations are determined." Note plural, desolations. Matthew wrote about this well after Antiochus. The war against the Jews did not end when the Temple was destroyed. The Roman destruction was only the beginning of their sorrows, not the end.

What you wrote may be fine and dandy, but you had better explain to us the rest of the verse,

1. to make an end = (finish, to conclude) of sins. When did this happen?

2. To make reconcilation = (to obtain forgiveness) for (the Jews) iniquity, when did this happen?

3. to bring in everlasting = (eternal, forever) righteousness, when did this happen?

4. To anoint the most Holy, hmmmm!

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It is a good article, and I would like to quote from it, concerning a point that is sometimes misunderstood.
The events involving the destruction of the city and the sanctuary with war and desolation (vv. 26b, 27b) are the conse[bless and do not curse]quences of the cutting off of the Messiah and do not necessarily occur in the Seventy Weeks’ time frame. They are an addendum to the fulfillment of the focus of the prophecy, which is stated in verse 24. The destructive acts are anticipated, however, in the divine act of sealing up or reserving the sin of Israel for pun[bless and do not curse]ishment. Israel’s climactic sin — her completing of her trans[bless and do not curse]gression (v. 24) with the cutting off of Messiah (v. 26a) — results in God’s act of reserving Israel’s sin until later. Israel’s judg[bless and do not curse]ment will not be postponed forever; it will come after the expi[bless and do not curse]ra[bless and do not curse]tion of the Seventy Weeks. This explains the “very indefi[bless and do not curse]n[bless and do not curse]ite” phrase “till the end of the war”: the “end” will not oc[bless and do not curse]cur during the Seventy Weeks.[35] That prophesied end occurred in AD 70, exactly as Christ had made abun[bless and do not curse]dantly clear in Mat[bless and do not curse]thew 24:15.

So, it is important to realise that the 70th week ended 3.5 years after the cross - not in AD70 as sometimes assumed. As the article explains, vers 27 is an addendum, to the main focus of the prophecy.
 
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It is a good article, and I would like to quote from it, concerning a point that is sometimes misunderstood.


So, it is important to realise that the 70th week ended 3.5 years after the cross - not in AD70 as sometimes assumed. As the article explains, vers 27 is an addendum, to the main focus of the prophecy.

Well, I think there is something to the idea that for one half week one would come to take away the sacrifice and desolate the sanctuary. Christ was cut off in the midst of one week. And therefore, there is one half week that must be fulfilled for the prince of that people to come who were to make a desolation of the Jewish Temple. This is clearly seen in the siege of Jerusalem from the end of 66 (beginning of 67) to the summer of 70. It can be historically proven to be exactly 42 Hebrew months long from Josephus, that is 3 and 1/2 years.

So, although there may have been Paul's Man of Sin to come, who would sit in some mystical Temple of God claiming to be God, these prophecies of Paul should in no way be confounded with Daniel's prophecies concerning the desolation of the Temple at Jerusalem. These are the very things that Irenaeus and Hyppolytus confound and bind together. They are not the same thing. No one else but Hyppolytus and Irenaeus splits the 70th week like this. Besides, the 70th week had to be fulfilled under the 4th kingdom. And the 4th kingdom was destroyed about 1700 years ago. So if Daniel's 70th week has not been fulfilled, then it cannot be fulfilled, because there's no 4th kingdom to fulfill it and there's no temple left to desolate. It was desolated for 3 and 1/2 from 66 to 70.
 
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You leave yourself open to the same criticism made against futurism - that there is a gap in the weeks. Admittedly a 2000 year gap is ridiculously long, but 40 years is a gap none-the-less.

I prefer to say that the last half of the 70th week extended from the cross until the opening of the gospel to the gentiles in AD34. (also 3.5 years)
 
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You all are confused in understanding " apocalyptic" literature along with its " conventions". The word" convention''is used when talking about literature to refer to some characteristic of the writing.
The Book of Daniel was written during the persecution under Antiochus Epiphanes, probably between 167 and 164, but it is set several hundred years earlier in Babylon.It is a " convention" of apocalyptic literature to describe past events as though they were future events. An example of this is Daniel's vision of the 4 beats, read Dan. 7: 1-9
Since the setting is the first year of Belshazzar, king of Babylon. Daniel appears to be describing future events. This is a "convention " Actually the Book was written after the events took place.
 
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You all are confused in understanding " apocalyptic" literature along with its " conventions". The word" convention''is used when talking about literature to refer to some characteristic of the writing.
The Book of Daniel was written during the persecution under Antiochus Epiphanes, probably between 167 and 164, but it is set several hundred years earlier in Babylon.It is a " convention" of apocalyptic literature to describe past events as though they were future events. An example of this is Daniel's vision of the 4 beats, read Dan. 7: 1-9
Since the setting is the first year of Belshazzar, king of Babylon. Daniel appears to be describing future events. This is a "convention " Actually the Book was written after the events took place.

Well at least you openly admit to not believing Daniel to be a true prophecy. As a result, I'll assume that you neither believe in Matthew 24 to be a true prophecy.
 
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1Michael,the discourse of the fifth book , the last of the five around which the gospel is structured. It is called the " eschatological" discourse since it deals with the coming of the new age [ the eschaton] in its fullness, with events that will precede it,and with how the disciples are to conduct themselves while awaiting an event that is as certain as its exact time is unknown to all but the Father ] Matt 24, 26 ]
 
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1Michael,the discourse of the fifth book , the last of the five around which the gospel is structured. It is called the " eschatological" discourse since it deals with the coming of the new age [ the eschaton] in its fullness, with events that will precede it,and with how the disciples are to conduct themselves while awaiting an event that is as certain as its exact time is unknown to all but the Father ] Matt 24, 26 ]

I see that you have your postmodern textual criticism terms down.

Of course, through all this verbiage, it still doesn't get down to the point, which is that one either takes this to be a veritable prognostication of future events, or a quant anachronism projecting the present onto a long bygone era.
 
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1Michael, all of your misunderstandings will disappear when you interpret the book in the context of its literary form.

Pity that neither Jewish nor Christian early historians agree with you. We have to wait until the arrogance of the nineteenth century to learn about "context of its literary form."
 
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It is a good article, and I would like to quote from it, concerning a point that is sometimes misunderstood.

So, it is important to realise that the 70th week ended 3.5 years after the cross - not in AD70 as sometimes assumed. As the article explains, vers 27 is an addendum, to the main focus of the prophecy.

True. The "desolations" (the destruction and punishments) were determined (decreed) separately, and were not part of the seventy weeks. This is the Masorete (Hebrew) version from the King James, and the Greek Septuagint (LXX) version:

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined." -- Dan 9:26 KJV

"And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the city to desolations." -- Dan 9:26 LXX

That is about as clear as prophecy gets.

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