Free 2 years of community college

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Obama proposes 2 free years of Community College
Obama to propose free community college

...For anyone willing to "work for it".

From this thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7860137

Wondering what a wider audience thinks.

I have taken some classes at a local community college a few times and what I saw has a major influence on how I think about this so I'd also be curious as to what direct knowledge of community colleges people posting have.

Keith
 

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Obama proposes 2 free years of Community College
Obama to propose free community college

...For anyone willing to "work for it".

From this thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7860137

Wondering what a wider audience thinks.

I have taken some classes at a local community college a few times and what I saw has a major influence on how I think about this so I'd also be curious as to what direct knowledge of community colleges people posting have.

Keith
It's just another evil form of taking money away from people who earn it and giving it to people who didn't earn it
 
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I am all for higher education, but going to college is better when the person wants to go rather than being forced to go by the state... because I can see this leading to that. The article seems to suggest Obama has ambitions of extending public education into the community college realm, beyond the typical k-12.

Most kids hate school right? Why is that? because they have to go.
 
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It's just another evil form of taking money away from people who earn it and giving it to people who didn't earn it

*says the guy who went to public school

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It all goes back to envy and covetousness

*says the guy who went to public school

1.) Public schools (including colleges) are already subsidized by the government. This wouldn't be a new subsidy per se - it would merely be extending a subsidy that already exists.

2.) You don't know what stipulations are going to be attached to this, so there could very well be a requirement that people "earn it."

3.) The wealthy people in this country are, by-and-large, wealthy because they have an educated populace from which to draw workers. Without those educated workers, most of them would be as broke as anybody, yet they did nothing to "earn" that resource - they were handed access to it. Charging them a little more to maintain that resource is not "evil."

If they are "willing to work for it" why aren't they "willing to pay for it"?

Because when you're out of work, coming up with the scratch for community college can be tough.

I don't see what the government has to do with this...

Think of it like a scholarship.

But also, it's in the government's and society's interest for the population to be educated. That's why we have compulsory primary & secondary education. The standards in the job market, however, have shifted such that a high school diploma is no longer sufficient for most people to get a half-way decent job. At least some college is needed.

I am all for higher education, but going to college is better when the person wants to go rather than being forced to go by the state... because I can see this leading to that. The article seems to suggest Obama has ambitions of extending public education into the community college realm, beyond the typical k-12.

Most kids hate school right? Why is that? because they have to go.

Obama made no comments about college being compulsory - but he didn't really have to. The job market has already pushed us in that direction anyways; the government doesn't have to force us into college, when employers and the threat of being perpetually poor have already done that.
 
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Obama proposes 2 free years of Community College
Obama to propose free community college

...For anyone willing to "work for it".

From this thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7860137

Wondering what a wider audience thinks.

I have taken some classes at a local community college a few times and what I saw has a major influence on how I think about this so I'd also be curious as to what direct knowledge of community colleges people posting have.

Keith

I haven't read the other posts in this thread yet, but I predict that the criticism will be something along the lines of "I don't want to pay for someone else's benefit"

I will gladly pay to be surrounded by fewer idiots - funding education benefits EVERYONE. Funding education is an investment in our future, and it's an investment with a high return. It gives the poor the education they need to climb out of poverty.

Community college classes are cheap - it's not like Obama is promising 4 years at public universities or private universities. I paid out of pocket for my community college classes - I didn't need to take any loans for them. The only people that struggle to pay for community college are the very poor.

I've been at a community college, a public state university, and a private university. My experience of community college was that it mostly served a few purposes:
  • Cheap general education to transfer to a more expensive university. (This is how I used it to reduce the cost of my education)
  • An associates degree or certificate for training in a specialized trade or craft sufficient to get a better paying skilled job than "Sandwich Artist". (This is how the poor use community college to expand their job prospects without incurring the crippling debt of a 4 year university)
  • An abusable loophole to put college loans into deferment. (Rarely used since the loophole isn't obvious. Mostly used by people with terminal degrees and large debts. Ineffective at lower debt levels)
As for "those that are willing to work for it" - sounds like there will be accountability. If a student's performance isn't good enough (i.e. they fail half their classes their first semester), then they probably lose the free funding.
 
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It's just another evil form of taking money away from people who earn it and giving it to people who didn't earn it

Called it! :p

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I haven't read the other posts in this thread yet, but I predict that the criticism will be something along the lines of "I don't want to pay for someone else's benefit"
 
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Bigger government. How big till it falls over?

This isn't an example of bigger government, it's an example of increased spending. This isn't a very effective criticism of the proposal.

The federal government has been involved in education since the original Department of Education was created in 1867.
 
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Right. Because, opposing an Unconstitutional program and pointing out that $34,000,000,000 is not "free" must be "anti-education".

Non sequitur -- some of the people I know are very anti-education, and some of them have conservative leanings.

You didn't think I was talking about you, did you?
 
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Because 13 years of mandatory schooling just isn't enough. :sigh:

It isn't enough. Because people don't understand that 90% of our manufacturing jobs aren't here in america anymore. You need more technically skills to get a job in today's america if you want to be able to get paid enough to live.

edit: I mean just a general skill set that is certified in general. Like a CDL, or a auto repair specialist certification. they don't teach you that or certify you in today's high schools.
 
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Obama proposes 2 free years of Community College
Obama to propose free community college

...For anyone willing to "work for it".

From this thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7860137

Wondering what a wider audience thinks.

I have taken some classes at a local community college a few times and what I saw has a major influence on how I think about this so I'd also be curious as to what direct knowledge of community colleges people posting have.

Keith

Community college is already free. The Pell Grant is sufficient to pay for it, including books.
 
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Obama proposes 2 free years of Community College
Obama to propose free community college

...For anyone willing to "work for it".

From this thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7860137

Wondering what a wider audience thinks.

I have taken some classes at a local community college a few times and what I saw has a major influence on how I think about this so I'd also be curious as to what direct knowledge of community colleges people posting have.

Keith
just remember folks you get what you pay for .....:thumbsup:
 
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