Will Jesus find Faith when he returns?

Jesus wanted us to pray that God's will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. What is the will of God? Followers of Jesus obeyed him and prayed as God wants of them. The door of salvation opens by multitudes praying for the will of God.


((Proverbs 10:24 Good News Translation (GNT)

24 The righteous get what they want, but the wicked will get what they fear most.))



God"s will is shown in the scriptures:

2 Peter 3:9 Good News Translation (GNT)

9 The Lord is not slow to do what he has promised, as some think. Instead, he is patient with you, because he does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants all to turn away from their sins.



1 Timothy 2 Good News Translation (GNT)

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2 First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, requests, and thanksgivings be offered to God for all people; 2 for kings and all others who are in authority, that we may live a quiet and peaceful life with all reverence toward God and with proper conduct. 3 This is good and it pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants everyone to be saved and to come to know the truth. 5 For there is one God, and there is one who brings God and human beings together, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself to redeem the whole human race. That was the proof at the right time that God wants everyone to be saved, 7 and that is why I was sent as an apostle and teacher of the Gentiles, to proclaim the message of faith and truth. I am not lying; I am telling the truth!

Is it possible that the doors of universal salvation are opened by the multitudes wanting the will of God and honoring him by their earnest prayers? It is stated that Christ died for all. The will of God was earnestly prayed for by the saints, apostles, disciples and many primitive Christians.

What are Christians of today praying for? God only hears the righteous, honest and humble children of his. They love their enemies and the lost, for they pray as Jesus taught them to. They were taught to desire universal salvation, salvation for all. That in itself is proof of both the will of God and the will of God's children. Is there any room for the messed-up modern faith being a busy-body towards Paganism leftovers to self seeking pleasures, where is the real faith and real love of God?

People today seem to understand many things within churches, but do they know and understand Jesus? Do they know what he wants of them? The primitive faith was one of wanting universal salvation. How could anyone pray for judgment day with eternal tormenting Hell or annihilation of souls? It would appear that clean-up would start with such people, or they would just be left outside. We are taught to do every good work, we shouldn't negate that by any of man misguided theologies. We are followers of Jesus only, not to contaminate our souls being followers of Jesus plus man's ideas.

older guy,

It is so relaxing and fulfilling to have another soul around who actually hears you and understands what one is trying to convey.

I made a great post for you about this in post # 288 on page 29 of this thread. It was very easy to follow, I believe. Did you happen to read it? If not, it isn't short, but all parts of it should each explain universal salvation fairly well on their own. You might want to see what it isn't and is first off in a simple comparison check list, I'll copy paste it below, have a most wonderful and blessed day in the Lord, my brother: (my copy paste didn't work here, so here is my link instead, it is understandable, quick and easy to read:

Oh My God! Is This Universalism?Â[bless and do not curse] Are you a Universalist?

Is it possible that there is a forth type of belief of judgment and salvation? I don't really believe so, but to have a loving God, it would be something like universal salvation with a clause that if a soul isn't able to convert after their judgment and their try again period(s), they would be off the hook and just given a mercy killing, annihilation? This sounds very fair and like justice, but I don't believe it would be real, for it would appear to be defeat, for the will of God is that every soul be saved, and it should be that way, we will all have to try hard for these many many souls to make it, eon after eon, until it is done which is always forever through the sacrifice of Jesus.

olderguy said:

I only agree with Universalism up to a certain point. I like the idea because I believe the doctrines that teach salvation is only for a select few, and usually those few must believe very silly things that their church teaches, is wrong. I never could accept that every person who never even heard of Jesus is doomed. Nor could I believe that people raised in other religions, who really lived and practiced what they were taught, would be lost because they feared giving up what they always believed. I'm well versed in psychology, philosophy, and then theology. The psychologist in me tells me what people learn as children isn't always possible to change. It's all these kind of folks that I believe God makes allowances for. But there are truly mean spirited, nasty, evil people too. These will be lost. And quite honestly, that's as it should be.

Lastly, I do think that if a soul isn't able to convert after their life and their allowances, they would be given a mercy killing or annihilation.

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Isaiah 57:19-21Good News Translation (GNT)

19 I offer peace to all, both near and far! I will heal my people. 20 But evil people are like the restless sea, whose waves never stop rolling in, bringing filth and muck. 21 There is no safety for sinners,” says the Lord.

I suppose there is the question "is the door even open to the wicked at all?" It may only be open to the righteous? No. Jesus came for the sick. There is no more sick than the wicked, except for the hypocritical pious ones (yes, they are the ones needing the most help). The sick can be healed, plain and simple. Just because the best trained doctors can not heal wicked sick people isn't an excuse to do mercy killings, for with God all is possible. Isn't all of this just a matter of faith in God? Remember when Jesus' disciples couldn't heal a person, and Jesus said to everyone, "oh yea with little faith", and then he healed him.

I believe that running scenarios in our heads saying that this can't be done, is showing a weakness that comes with being only human. This weak process allows for the limited humanity to not understand the power of God. If faith can move a mountain, then the miracle of moving a soul's fate is possible. I believe the real answer is that our faith has to return to the original faith that God gave us in the beginning (the primitive faith). These seem to be just words, except that down deep, I believe in the salvation of all and always have. It is possible to reach people, but the light that we are trying to reach them with, do we even have it ourselves? Otherwords, it takes Jesus to reach people, our faiths are not strong enough, but he would tell us, yea of little faith.

Would it take great faith to believe in universal reconciliation? This is a daunting task, impossible by human means, yet aren't we suppose to have faith and go out there and do our part, "deliver the Gospel for those who are ready to receive it". We don't know who is ready, but we trust God and just broadcast the seeds. Aren't we workers of faith? Faith is something that Christians should be concerned about for the sake of the Gospel and the lost around us.

I think today, we have technology, human knowledge and a form of human wisdom. It is all about us. In Jesus' day, the reliance was upon God and he worked through his people. Will not faith get weaker as man solves many of his problems and create many new and wonderful things. Yet he will be lacking a very big accomplishment, peace. Isn't the wickedness within people a lack of peace? Isn't the terrorists of today and their awkward religious beliefs with a lack of peace? Man will accomplish very powerful and great things towards the end of our days here, but this void of the evasive inner peace will erupt souls into desperation within humanity and chaos will pursue. The world who rejected Jesus will cry out for fear and will do the unthinkable. You talk about wickedness of certain people, what about on a grand scale, global sickness of the mind, killings beyond compare of anything in Earth's history. Don't trust man's triumphs for he has rejected Jesus and being flesh will reject him more so in the future.

Thank you for writing & posting. My postings will be affected by a health water fast that I am going through. Maybe, if I add a little prayer, it will be more than just a health fast. This fast comes from a book, "Fasting and Eating for Health", "A Medical Doctor's Program for Conquering Disease", written by Joel Fuhrman, M.D. (1995). I have read three of his books, which include two editions of "Eat to Live". It is quite an endeavor to try and have a successful water fast, but the results are amazing. It is best done through a knowledgeable doctor. In the early church, there was fasting and prayer as part of their faith. I am only doing this fast for health, but we should always be praying. I believe that fasting and prayer is very physically healthy for the ones who do it, as well as spiritually. I did a successful health water fast three years ago for eleven days (my blood pressure shot straight down, hemorrhoids vanished, lost weight and felt very good). After this water fast, I want to be more careful about my eating habits and consistency of exercise. It would be good to also include daily time for spiritual family gatherings (teaching the young about Jesus & God). Life is so busy, yet we need to slow down and pray & thank our Father in Heaven.

Have a wonderful day in the Lord.

olderguy said:

Sorry Stephan, I didn't see the post on page 288. But based on that link, I don't agree with Universalism. I'm against any ideology that advocates obedience to God is not necessary.

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I don't believe in that either, as far as I know nobody believing in Christian universal salvation thinks that way. Universalism and other organizations probably do believe in the way that you have described. The concept universal salvation is just that a concept, words that have meaning. In Christianity, it means Christian universal salvation, reconciliation, etc all through Jesus and the Father, definitely obeying Jesus Christ's commands which are coming from the Father to teach & help us.

There is something called Christian Universalism. I don't know exactly what they believe. I can accept Christian universal salvation or reconciliation, because they do obey Jesus and thus God.

olderguy said:

A very good preacher once said God has a perfect will, a permissible will, and a failure of His will for us. This preacher wasn't talking about Universalism, but the idea can be applied here. Just because God doesn't want anyone to be lost doesn't mean that some won't be lost. A minority of us are striving to be in God's perfect will. Many of us are in God's permissive will. Too many people are totally out of God's will for them. In my opinion, God has made some allowances to try and get these people into Heaven. (however, this is just my opinion, and my opinion + $2.00 will get you a cup of coffee) Even if I'm right, God's patience with man is not eternal. Gen 6: 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with humans forever...".

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I agree that his patience is not forever, even I could accept mercy killings (annihilations) of a soul that just can't make it, yet remember that God's eons are many, however just one for us is like eternity.

Genesis 6:3 Good News Translation (GNT)

3 Then the Lord said, “I will not allow people to live forever; they are mortal. From now on they will live no longer than 120 years.”

Humans won't live forever, but the children of God will always be with Jesus Christ.

There seems to be a lot of catch points that direct us towards universal salvation. Here is one, found at

Understanding Universal Salvation Part One :

3.7 Jesus not only prayed for and taught Universal Salvation as seen in section 2, he also taught us to pray that the Father's will be done. Did He pray for and tell us to pray for something that He knew would never come to pass? One interpretation of Matthew 6:10 could be, “As your will exists in heaven, so let it be done on earth. As above, so below.” Jesus told us to pray that God’s will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Matthew 6:10

There is much more in this 3.7 section on this webpage. Reading through it sure gets me thinking. One area is the below:


It is God's will that is sovereign, NOT man's. God's sovereign will is certain to be accomplished irregardless of man's mind or will!

God will not make us robots, but his will is that none will perish, man's will might be to perish. I have even heard my mother say, before dying, "I just want to die and not live anymore." She didn't know or accept Jesus, yet I believe that she did love God in that she loved everyone.

I am believing that the Justice of God is that everyone be reconciled and saved through Jesus, somehow and at some time.

Luke 3:6Good News Translation (GNT)

6 The whole human race will see God's salvation!’”

What does it mean "will see"? Does it mean will experience and be saved? Does it mean will see others saved? Or does it mean plainly, just to know that God saved some?

To share our faith, we need to know what faith is being shared in "all will see God's salvation". Could it mean all will believe, since they see, God's salvation (which is Jesus)?

Here is an interesting Bible translation:

Luke 3:6 (VOICE) | In Context | Whole Chapter

6 Then the radiant glory of the Eternal One will be revealed.
All flesh together will take it in.”

All will see and know Jesus, God's salvation, though some of them had rejected him in their human life, each goes to his judgment place; some with Jesus and most to a punishment place. If they now know of Jesus and believe in him, are they converted or that is being converted in their punishment place? If they all know Jesus and believe in him, then when their punishment ends (being only allowed from universal salvation) wouldn't they be reconcilable to God and truly converted? Maybe not, since now they don't have faith, they just have knowledge. Does knowledge allow for true conversion? It seems to. They would have to follow Christ where ever their place would be by God to prove themselves and, under universal salvation, to be reconciled to God.

This seems complicated. I can see why a simple revengeful eternal separation from God would be more appealing, but is it in the nature of God? Remember the awesomeness of God who created all things which are beyond the comprehension level of man. He sees our lifetimes as but moments and eons of eons as an acceptable period of time. Could he not be patient to accomplish his will to save every single bit of his creation?

Philippians 2:10-11New American Standard Bible (NASB)

10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.



1 Corinthians 12:3Good News Translation (GNT)

3 I want you to know that no one who is led by God's Spirit can say “A curse on Jesus!” and no one can confess “Jesus is Lord,” without being guided by the Holy Spirit.



1 John 4:15Good News Translation (GNT)

15 If we declare that Jesus is the Son of God, we live in union with God and God lives in union with us.



Romans 11:32American Standard Version (ASV)

32 For God hath shut up all unto disobedience, that he might have mercy upon all.

From the above verses, I am getting the feeling that all will be saved, yet those with faith & without knowledge, have a couple of things better than the lost who never had faith, yet God finally gives them knowledge after their deaths. These who had faith are rewarded: 1) they don't have punishment to go through, and 2) they have crowns and great honor, perhaps becoming rulers of different degrees over all the rest saved later in the new perfect earth and heavens. In that God made our very complex Universe, he can make one to the glory of this one that is perfect with perfect conditions, containing all people which are now all believing in his son, Jesus. Then Jesus would hand everything back over to his Father.

A little of this sounds somewhat like Jehovah Witnesses' belief, except they include annihilation of the unchanged lost souls. Why is almost everyone doubting the power of God to accomplish his will, though through his son Jesus?

Norah63 said:

If we are all to be saved at some point in eternity, then our use of faith is our pleasure down here.

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Then let our pleasure be within Christ and having his peace, trying to obey him and quit fending off the restless natives. If Jesus wants us to embrace our enemies (love them), then we must absolutely be known by our love for one another (all Christian brethren, especially our brethren of the so-called Christian cults!).

I have found very very good things about all these seemingly misplaced Christians, being the JWs, Seventh Day Adventists, Baptists, Methodists, LDSs (Mormons), and others. If you got Jesus, you don't need to worry about the rest, just follow him and obey him, feel his love & peace and share it. There may be a day that I don't dare share anything but the commands and teachings of Jesus, but I will confess what I call my primitive faith for myself only.

Right now, I am still exploring what the faith is that Jesus will recognize. If I say that I find a faith that sounds too good, maybe he will at least notice this, for it is only meant to add to God's Glory by finding his love and goodness in our accepted faith.

peebly63 said:

Of course he will find faith...

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Yes. You my friend seem to have some. May God bless you always.

I made a post over a few threads from this one: http://www.christianforums.com/t7860464/

It sure opens up a few doors of reality and thoughts. Have a great day in the Lord our God, blessed be his name, our Father and Dad in Heaven.

peebly63 said:

Bless you for your kind words.

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Thank you.