Contemporary Messianic that is non-legalistic?

Then you will find a hard-time finding a Messianc place like that, but sometimes people forget that Gentiles are not obligated by some of those laws. But as for me, I observe my Sabbath from Fri sunset to Sat. sunset. I believe that the Ten Commandments are applicable to all mankind.

@annier, the Law of Moses was given to the Israelites by Yahweh for a specific time and purpose and to those people, who are descendent of the Israelites. However, the Ten Commandments determine, whether or not we sin against Yahweh. Gal 3:19, Eph 2:15. But every man has His own journey to take and for Christians that love Yahweh, they will eventually fulfill the law from the love of their heart through Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior. Jer 31:31-34. That does not mean, we should ignore the advice that the Law of Moses gives. But I am still in the process of refining my life for the glory of Yahweh. It is more important to share the gospel with unbelievers, but those that are committed to teaching new believers should show the importance of following the Ten Commandments and eventually the importance of the Law of Moses. But Yahweh intended for a balance to exist between Grace and between His Laws.

Sickntired, you seem to know a lot about how it was "back then". What are you using for reference?

sickntired771 said:

When I say legalistic or more concern with old practices I mean that most Messianic synagogues seem to be very focused on prayer shawls, and focused on old testament text more so than text from New Testament.

Why the beard, the shawls, the kippas etc when that is all old practices and not under new covenant?

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The problem is that not all of the practices you list are biblical. None of the Old Testament laws are done away with. Some cannot be followed at the moment, but they will be when Yeshua returns and rules from the Temple in Jerusalem.

Kippas and prayer shawls are traditional; the kippas totally wrong, and the shawls are just a way to wear the tzitzit (fringes) which are commanded. As for the beard. Do you find something wrong with beards? Only a few groups of people have men who don't grow them naturally.

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I don't know nor does anyone exactly how it was back then but certainly the modern church is very influenced by pagan and greco-roman culture and it's vastly different than an ancient Hebrew population who were early followers of Yeshua.

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Those ancient Hebrew people followed Torah - the laws that you find offensive. What you seem to want is a Gentile church that picks and chooses the commandments that fit certain lifestyles.

Perhaps for the Christians a nice little jewish theme park would be pleasing, with a dance floor of course. That way they could continue to dance the "Light and Trite", as long as it didn't constrain their lawless=Torah-Less lifestyle. As long as they dance with grace, what the heck. Cha cha!

with a dance floor of course.

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Clearly you have not been around Wesleyan Holiness folk who equate all dancing with fornication and devil worship. Almost as bad as drinking alcohol.

That's because Messianic congregations are an amalgamation of Christian, Jewish Reform, Conservative and a few Orthodox sprinkled in the mix. Most are small and don't have the luxury of branching off.
Let's face it, sickntired. You are not going to find your special brand of religion unless you start your own movement (please don't).
And obviously, you haven't been to a good healthy, heated Torah study. You get three opinions per Jew x the number in the room.

"Legalistic" for those who are without Yeshua and His Holy Spirit leading. This is Messianic Judaism... It is both obedient to His Word, via Holy Spirit with faith in Yeshua as our Messiah. Just like those first believers who are zealous about the law because they know He is who wrote it, and now it makes perfect sense.

Act 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

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sickntired771 said:

When I say legalistic or more concern with old practices I mean that most Messianic synagogues seem to be very focused on prayer shawls, and focused on old testament text more so than text from New Testament.

Why the beard, the shawls, the kippas etc when that is all old practices and not under new covenant?

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Why do you want to go to a Messianic congregation at all then ?
What is it that makes you not want to go to a Protestant or Catholic or Orthodox church ?
Everything you say here sounds Christian to me.

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I would like to find something that is essentially protestant in their thinking and way but that doesn't ignore the Hebrew roots and Jewishness of Jesus. To me that doesn't need to be all customs necessarily but I feel like a piece is missing and much of Christianity is too influenced by roman/paganism and not as authentic as it could be if that makes sense.

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"I would like to find something that is essentially protestant in their thinking and way"
Yes, I can tell.

But I wonder: for you, what does it mean to not ignore "the Hebrew roots and Jewishness of Jesus" ?

Sounds to me like what you are describing is not a matter of actions or lifestyle or observance, but a matter of rhetoric and theory.

Do you want to LIVE the Torah God gave to the Hebrews, or just TALK about "Hebrew roots" ?

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I would like to find a Church that is just more culturally Jewish but I do not wish to live by the laws of the Torah. As for laws, I live by the ones of the New Testament but respect Messianic Jews who do both.

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Again, is it a matter of rhetoric and the theoretical, or does it actually relate to actions and reality ?

You specifically said you didn't want/like the kippas or shawls, so what is left ?

The Hebrew language ?
Do you want to have Protestant mass in Hebrew ?

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More rhetoric, incorporation of hebrew song, jewish words/language and some customs and not ignoring that Jesus was in fact a Jew!

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Right.

You want to live like a Protestant, but listen to Hebrew language/music. Didn't I say that in my first post on this thread ?


"I think what I seek largely does not exist but it's my ideal anyways."

Well, why don't you go to a Protestant church in Israel. Then you can probably listen to Protestants speaking Hebrew.

Actually come to think of it, Jews for Jesus sounds like the exact thing you're describing