The Olsteen-Winfrey connection

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There seems to be a premise that Winfrey is a dangerous association. She is a human who has had incredible positive influence over the people. And yes, she has made liberal statements and welcomed people who spoke against conservatives; but at the core, defended human rights and dignity. There are more important things that one's socio-political leanings.

If they collaborate, there could be risks, so hopefully it would be above board and public. No presidential campaigns. There is always risk when the church collaborates with secular organizations, as concessions are made and altruism can cover other agendas.

But Winfrey and Olsteen showing up at each others' presentations... they are humans, they are spokespeople, they are organizational figureheads. This is what people do.
 
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It's a diverse venue, with lots of good and bad; the premise is like a forum, not an edited film collection. Scientists, professors, and other professionals upload videos to Youtube. But yes, a search will not screen out the odd or non-factual ones.
a well done documentary on Joel Olsteen and Oprah Winfrey and their huge empires.
As for empires, yes you have a good point. I could say more, we all can say more on hierarchies and empires-- especially ones run on donations.

With empires, the masses create the monster, even when a visionary starts the ball rolling and reaps the benefits.
 
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Add youtube web site in front of this to see a well done documentary on Joel Olsteen and Oprah Winfrey and their huge empires.

www dot youtube dot com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=weEWl52wevI

:preach:

Enlightening, I have heard Joel was a bit of a sheister, and a lier, working iniquity.
 
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Hunters of faults are on every forum that I have visited so far.
It's like who can we bash next.
Eat the hay and spit out the sticks on anybodys preaching.
Too busy sweeping my porch to gaze at my neighbors.

Um - yeah. Me and my friends were talking about this just the other day.
 
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Hunters of faults are on every forum that I have visited so far.
It's like who can we bash next.
Eat the hay and spit out the sticks on anybodys preaching.
Too busy sweeping my porch to gaze at my neighbors.

I see your point,but, we are to be diligent, we are to test the spirits

1 John 4 English Standard Version (ESV)

Test the Spirits
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. 4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

We are to judge fruit;


Matthew 7:15-20New King James Version (NKJV)

You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

There is misunderstanding by many on judging, there is the judging that is like judging fruit, which is simple discernment, and judging by which you "cast judgement" deciding if one wins or loses, if you will. A good example is this:

You go to a county fair, and visit the livestock show, there the judges are looking to see if each class of animal "fits" its specific breeds standards. This is where we as a church should be, just making sure that we are, who we say we are.

Then there is american idolatry, as I call it. Where the judges deem if you are "good enough" if "they think you pass"

What is one of the biggest differences between the two? Well for starters livestock judges have a book, that has the standards written in them, SET STANDARDS, that are written, to be followed. Where as american idolatry has chosen some folks, it deems "worthy" of choosing. Second american idolatry places judgement on its victims.
 
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Yes we can test the spirits, and that is good. Everyone can discern for themselves.
For myself, I do not need to warn people about others that they can listen to or not.
(thats their discernment) Learning for ourselves who can edify and encourage us is very individule.
Just my thoughts.
 
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Yes we can test the spirits, and that is good. Everyone can discern for themselves.
For myself, I do not need to warn people about others that they can listen to or not.
(thats their discernment) Learning for ourselves who can edify and encourage us is very individule.
Just my thoughts.

and that is a common problem, I myself have worked and, and continue to work on through the Holy Spirit, is to trash "my thoughts" because it is GODS Thoughts that count. Edify, test, compare with the word of God, it never changes, never, and I do not care what year it is...
 
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