How can we effectively address the rape / sexual assaut epidemic in the U.S.?

TerranceL said:

Heck, at UVA feminist are now pushing for secret courts for rape accusations.

UVA Student Leaders Recommend Required ?Women and Gender Studies? and Closed Rape Trials

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They are nuts!!!

Yeah and we might have to play dirty like them.

If they want to start sexual assault hysteria against men, we might have to start sexual assault hysteria against women.

In reality most feminists (not all.) are like toddlers. Having a rational discussion with them is a waste of time.

TerranceL said:

Heck, at UVA feminist are now pushing for secret courts for rape accusations.

UVA Student Leaders Recommend Required ?Women and Gender Studies? and Closed Rape Trials


This is what a college education gets you in america.

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Do they mean closed trials as in no public gallery? I'd hope that means it could still be reported on. I don't think it necessarily means secret trial though.

Like I said, the days of being civil are quickly slipping away..

Gadarene said:

Do they mean closed trials as in no public gallery? I'd hope that means it could still be reported on. I don't think it necessarily means secret trial though.

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Of course it needs to be an open trial. If a student were charged with homicide or assault and battery it would be open. I always hear how "things should be in the open". Same here.

OGM said:

Of course it needs to be an open trial. If a student were charged with homicide or assault and battery it would be open. I always hear how "things should be in the open". Same here.

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That's a fair point, I don't see why rape victims should be shielded from the same scrutiny victims of other awful crimes are, but even so - "secret trials" doesn't seem like a fair description of this.

Gadarene said:

That's a fair point, I don't see why rape victims should be shielded from the same scrutiny victims of other awful crimes are, but even so - "secret trials" doesn't seem like a fair description of this.

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I assume they mean a proceeding that is not open to the public. Which to me is sweeping it under the rug.

Gadarene said:

After an actual legal investigation has been initiated (and completed with a guilty verdict), sure.

The burden of proof on accusers in American universities appears to have been steadily dropping over the years, however, so I don't expect this to happen.

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Title IX requires the university to investigate--this is the law--and current Education Department regulatory guidelines say to use the "preponderance of the evidence." This is why the university MUST have a procedure and stick to it for its disciplinary investigations, hearings, etc. It does not require a guilty verdict first. It does seem to require the university to perform an activity (adjudication) that they aren't necessarily expert at, which is probably why they discourage reporting so.

Additionally, I do wonder what the usual standard is for kicking someone out of school--the highest penalty I believe a university can apply? I think in some places they do it for cheating on tests.

Gadarene said:

I'll raise you one - in my country men are the perpetrators of 100% of all rapes.

Additional fact - rape in my country is defined as penetration by a penis.

I'm sure you can work out the problem in the setup there.

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The legal definition of rape is similar in many jurisdictions. Most of the other offenses fall under some kind of sexual assault or sexual battery definition instead. The penalties are substantially similar.

WindStaff said:

With police, there actually has to be fair evidence and accusation with them will not mar the accused person's standing with their college.
That is the way it should be, being that it's been nothing but problematic involving colleges into matters they don't even have legal authority over.

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That is incorrect.

Colleges are required by law to investigate accusations of sexual harassment and assault by students.

What colleges and police actually appear to do is discourage victims from reporting on the (very true) grounds that pursuing charges in either forum can be traumatic for the victim and rape cases are hard to successfully prosecute. This allows too many offenders to get away with it.

FACT: false accusations of rape are no more common than any other false accusations of a crime.

OTHER FACT: Most rapes are not reported at ALL.

On a related note, only about 40% of rapes are ever reported to the police, and this is partly because victims know that if their claim becomes public, their every behavior will be scrutinized, they will be shamed for their sexual history, and they will be labeled as lunatic, psychotic, paranoid, and manipulative.

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I have to say, I do love the "but X% of rapes aren't reported!!!!" types of stat.

If these people have proof that a rape occurred, why haven't they gone to the police with it?

Alternatively, there are some unquestioned assumptions in play.

Joykins said:

The legal definition of rape is similar in many jurisdictions. Most of the other offenses fall under some kind of sexual assault or sexual battery definition instead. The penalties are substantially similar.

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Yup, rape is rape - except when women do it.

Joykins said:

Title IX requires the university to investigate--this is the law--and current Education Department regulatory guidelines say to use the "preponderance of the evidence." This is why the university MUST have a procedure and stick to it for its disciplinary investigations, hearings, etc. It does not require a guilty verdict first. It does seem to require the university to perform an activity (adjudication) that they aren't necessarily expert at, which is probably why they discourage reporting so.

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So again, the best thing is to let law enforcement and the legal system deal with it.

So we have several issues.

1) Unreported rapes...which if they are unreported, how would we even have percentages.

2) Sexual assaults being treated differently than other felonies.

3) Title IX forcing colleges to get too deeply involved with sexual assault. Educators are not law enforcement or medical personnel. They can't arrest or can use rape kits for evidence gathering.

4) Colleges having knee-jerk reactions to sexual assault allegations. This is a legal powder keg.

Gadarene said:

I have to say, I do love the "but X% of rapes aren't reported!!!!" types of stat.

If these people have proof that a rape occurred, why haven't they gone to the police with it?

Alternatively, there are some unquestioned assumptions in play.

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The disturbing thing is that most rapist are serial rapist I believe so not reporting your rape you just setup someone else to be a victim.

TerranceL said:

The disturbing thing is that most rapist are serial rapist I believe so not reporting your rape you just setup someone else to be a victim.

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What I find disturbing is the amount of false allegations there are all the time and yet nobody seems to be concerned for the man whose entire reputation is marred by a insane institution of phenomenally self-centered women.

Many murderers are serial murderers. I suppose the dead are well over it before the women though

WindStaff said:

What I find disturbing is the amount of false allegations there are all the time and yet nobody seems to be concerned for the man whose entire reputation is marred by a insane institution of phenomenally self-centered women.

Many murderers are serial murderers. I suppose the dead are well over it before the women though

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Well lets not forget the Duke Lacross team, a feminist at the time said that what those men went through was a good thing, somehow it was supposed to teach them empathy or some such silliness.

men raping woman and children and homo's raping society and children and firefighters and cake bakers and churches ..... thank YOU Lord this crazy deal of mankind's self rule ...is almost over. because it's Horrific and terroristic ! militant sexual terrorism is still terrorism .