How can we effectively address the rape / sexual assaut epidemic in the U.S.?

Joykins said:

What has increased is the attention to the pathetic responses of colleges and universities to a problem, that while historically at a lower point than it was 20 years ago, remains a serious problem.

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It's always been a curiosity of mine why feminist believe that a crime is somehow something that a university is supposed to handle. If you are the victim of a crime on campus you don't go to the university, you go to the police. Why is this hard to understand?

The Federal Government mandates schools get involved with sexual assaults. I don't believe universities should be involved with investigating and judging felonies. I would not want a university taking over a homicide or knifing case either

OGM said:

The Federal Government mandates schools get involved with sexual assaults. I don't believe universities should be involved with investigating and judging felonies. I would not want a university taking over a homicide or knifing case either

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No wonder it's such a stupid idea, it's mandated by law.

From what I can tell it's a Title 9 (civil rights of students) responsibility of the University. Criminal prosecution is another matter--most sexual assaults are not reported to law enforcement, and many are not reported officially to universities either. But more are to colleges than the police, for a number of reasons..

TerranceL said:

No wonder it's such a stupid idea, it's mandated by law.

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It is really stupid because Universities should not be involved with sexual assaults.

Joykins said:

From what I can tell it's a Title 9 (civil rights of students) responsibility of the University. Criminal prosecution is another matter--most sexual assaults are not reported to law enforcement, and many are not reported officially to universities either. But more are to colleges than the police, for a number of reasons..

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Ideally the college should automatically turn any and all sexual assault reports directly to law enforcement...period. If a student assaults another student with a baseball bat or runs over another student with an automobile...guess what happens?

The whole Title 9 interference is ridiculous.

OGM said:

It is really stupid because Universities should not be involved with sexual assaults.

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Now there's a good point.

Universities are scholastic institutions, not responsible for the safety of students beyond the classroom and dormitory- and only under what they are personally liable for just as any other establishment.

Criminal cases are the subject of law enforcement and courts under which the universities reside. It's odd that a student would go or be referred to university officials and not the police.

WindStaff said:

Now there's a good point.

Universities are scholastic institutions, not responsible for the safety of students beyond the classroom and dormitory- and only under what they are personally liable for just as any other establishment.

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Exactly!

Criminal cases are the subject of law enforcement and courts under which the universities reside. It's odd that a student would go or be referred to university officials and not the police.

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Even in the workplace, sexual assault allegations are not handled by me as the owner/senior partner. I immediately get the law involved for any felony that happens at my company.

OGM said:

It is really stupid because Universities should not be involved with sexual assaults.


Ideally the college should automatically turn any and all sexual assault reports directly to law enforcement...period. If a student assaults another student with a baseball bat or runs over another student with an automobile...guess what happens?

The whole Title 9 interference is ridiculous.

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So the University has no responsibility or authority to discipline (suspend, expel, etc.) a student who assaults or harasses another student? Universities are responsible for keeping their campuses safe, in addition to whatever law enforcement does.

OGM said:

Exactly!

Even in the workplace, sexual assault allegations are not handled by me as the owner/senior partner. I immediately get the law involved for any felony that happens at my company.

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Would you have the authority to fire or discipline an employee for the assault?

We had a guy steal laptops from the company. In addition to having him prosecuted, we FIRED his butt.

As long as campuses equally go after women accused of rape and sexual assault, as they do with the men.

None of this taking it less seriously nonsense.

As more women feel comfortable coming forward, more men should feel comfortable coming forward too.

FutureAndAHope said:

Who was that guy ???Ted Bundy???, who became a serial rapist, he said it started when he was exposed to inappropriate content in a dumpster.

That would be one way to stop some rapes, stop men using inappropriate content.

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Yes, why is only child inappropriate content forbidden? Kids get to watch inappropriate content, I see that as a kind of rape too, but that doesn't matter, because the adults want to watch it.

Ted Bundy also made statements to the contrary..

I think such a notion is ridiculous. You'd have to have real evidence to support your case. Not just some words from a most likely manipulative serial killer.

Joykins said:

So the University has no responsibility or authority to discipline (suspend, expel, etc.) a student who assaults or harasses another student? Universities are responsible for keeping their campuses safe, in addition to whatever law enforcement does.

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A University can discipline a student that they prove commits a sexual assault. However schools are not setup to handle felony cases. Often times they hear an allegations and overreact without sufficient information. Then the defendants hire people like me to sue the pants off the Universities. This schools are put themselves in bad positions because as soon as they hear a claim most of them go ballistic. Then they expel the student(s) without any type of police report or hospital records...I am talking NO evidence. The expelled student calls an attorney and crucifies the University for a lot of money.

Joykins said:

Would you have the authority to fire or discipline an employee for the assault?

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If I had evidence of an employee stealing a computer I would call the police and get rid of them. Notice I would have EVIDENCE and a POLICE REPORT to back me up.

That sounds good.

Teach those universities a lesson.

MehGuy said:

That sounds good.

Teach those universities a lesson.

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I think you are going to see such lawsuits against Universities increase exponentially. They tend to be way, way, too knee-jerk in their responses to allegations. Hopefully this will cause the system to be more balanced in the long run.

Joykins said:

So the University has no responsibility or authority to discipline (suspend, expel, etc.) a student who assaults or harasses another student? Universities are responsible for keeping their campuses safe, in addition to whatever law enforcement does.

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Well there's a gigantic conflict of interest there, first of all.

I'm a young adult male, and am very familiar with this generation. I know for a fact that a good amount of women would at any time go to a lesser authority they can manipulate into thinking someone is being aggressive to them just to get them in trouble.

There have even been cases in which female students have been caught doing just this and faced charges for doing so- ultimately, the police are where it has to go anyway and if not, it's not even worth bringing up. If women want to be people of their own, then they must go on that accord.

With police, there actually has to be fair evidence and accusation with them will not mar the accused person's standing with their college.
That is the way it should be, being that it's been nothing but problematic involving colleges into matters they don't even have legal authority over.

If there were a suspected drug overdose on campus. I would call the ambulance and the police. if their were a homicide. I would let the police take over. If I felt school property was stolen. I would call the police.

Sexual assault...the police/ambulance.

Joykins said:

So the University has no responsibility or authority to discipline (suspend, expel, etc.) a student who assaults or harasses another student? Universities are responsible for keeping their campuses safe, in addition to whatever law enforcement does.

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After an actual legal investigation has been initiated (and completed with a guilty verdict), sure.

The burden of proof on accusers in American universities appears to have been steadily dropping over the years, however, so I don't expect this to happen.

rambot said:

First I wasn't willing to go through the 8 pages of this thread but has anyone actually put up data that shows there is an INCREASE in rape and assaults?

Over the last 30 years there has been a PRONOUNCED decrease in the number of reported rapes from the very brief googling I've done.

Also, I am SOOOOO tired of men whining about the "men get raped too" argument. NOBODY is saying men don't get raped.

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Virtually no-one is saying they do either - certainly not those advocating for better treatment of rape victims. Gendering an issue that affects everyone is pointless politicking.

But to equate the frequency (or severity of the issue) of men victims and women victim's is ludicrous. It just reads like a deflection because reasonably good, kind men get uncomfortable and probably feel attacked. But come on men, keep a reasonable head on your shoulders.

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It isn't "equating" - it's concluding.

Recent stats show the disparity to be much smaller than originally thought - and that's before jail rape is taken into account. Some stats suggest that a majority of sexual assaults on minors in juvies are predominantly perpetrated by female staff.

And you think little heed is given to female rape victims - well, male victims tend to get even less, thanks to people who sound a lot like you.

And by the standards of what appears to constitute an "attack" on women as a class these days, then yes, it most certainly is an attack to imply that only the the rapes committed by men are where the real problem lies.

Note: men are the perpetrators of almost 80% of all rapes

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I'll raise you one - in my country men are the perpetrators of 100% of all rapes.

Additional fact - rape in my country is defined as penetration by a penis.

I'm sure you can work out the problem in the setup there.

Gadarene said:

After an actual legal investigation has been initiated (and completed with a guilty verdict), sure.

The burden of proof on accusers in American universities appears to have been steadily dropping over the years, however, so I don't expect this to happen.

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Heck, at UVA feminist are now pushing for secret courts for rape accusations.

UVA Student Leaders Recommend Required ?Women and Gender Studies? and Closed Rape Trials

As Dave Huber reported at The College Fix Sunday, “Taking Action on Sexual Assault – A Student Perspective” is a new document, prepared by UVA student leaders, that contains recommendations for the university’s Board of Visitors (BOV), administration, and students. Among those for the BOV are required WGS and “Closed Criminal Trials.”
“One hurdle to pursuing criminal resolution may be the painstaking public nature of trials,” say the student leaders. “Introducing privacy could make that path more attractive. The BOV can: advocate publicly to Richmond.”

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This is what a college education gets you in america.