Would-be assassin wants to visit tomb of St. John Paul II

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Catholic World News - December 16, 2014

Mehmet Ali Agca, the Turkish gunman who shot and wounded St. John Paul II in 1981, now says that he wants to visit the grave of the late Pontiff.

Agca, who spent 19 years in Italian prisons before being deported to his native Turkey, has been denied a visa to travel to Italy. But he claims that he wants to pay his respects at the tomb of the Pope who, after the shooting, came to visit him in a Rome prison cell.
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This guy is out to get all the Media attention, and papal attention (of course popes get attention for giving him attention) he can get. Is there not a Swiss Guard sniper who shot but missed, or the people around who knocked this evil wicked murderer to the ground, to save the pope, who we can focus the media on? If a Swiss Guard had killed this murderer and we constantly talked about the heroics of the Swiss Guards actions, this would be great. Why focus on an evil murderer like this Mehmet. Pope John Paul II should have went to the people who restrained this murderer and thanked them; Make celebrities out of the heros.

I always wonder what it would have been like if Swiss Guard snipers would have been able to put a three round burst through Mehmets head, before he tried to kill the Pope. I think this is the intention of Popes having Swiss Guard snipers. Would Pope John Paul II have gone to Mehmet funeral/martyrdom celebration, to forgive the guy. After all, if the guy was dead for trying to murder a pope, would not the family be relieved to know that Pope John Paul II had forgiven him for his actions?
 
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It was a heroic and saintly act when Pope St. John Paul II forgave him.
"Then Peter came up and said to him, 'Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?' Jesus said to him, 'I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.'" - Matthew 18:21-22​
 
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This guy is out to get all the Media attention, and papal attention (of course popes get attention for giving him attention) he can get. Is there not a Swiss Guard sniper who shot but missed, or the people around who knocked this evil wicked murderer to the ground, to save the pope, who we can focus the media on? If a Swiss Guard had killed this murderer and we constantly talked about the heroics of the Swiss Guards actions, this would be great. Why focus on an evil murderer like this Mehmet. Pope John Paul II should have went to the people who restrained this murderer and thanked them; Make celebrities out of the heros.

I always wonder what it would have been like if Swiss Guard snipers would have been able to put a three round burst through Mehmets head, before he tried to kill the Pope. I think this is the intention of Popes having Swiss Guard snipers. Would Pope John Paul II have gone to Mehmet funeral/martyrdom celebration, to forgive the guy. After all, if the guy was dead for trying to murder a pope, would not the family be relieved to know that Pope John Paul II had forgiven him for his actions?

Snipers don't use three round bursts. Saints are people to learn from, not habitually criticize.
 
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It was a heroic and saintly act for Pope St. John Paul II forgave him.
"Then Peter came up and said to him, 'Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?' Jesus said to him, 'I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.'" - Matthew 18:21-22​

Hello LivingWordUnity,

So if a mass murderer had killed fifty children in an American school and Pope John Paul II flew in to forgive the man, and then flew back out, without mentioning any thanks to American Police and Military for bringing the man to justice, would this be 'heroic and saintly'? What about the Nazis who murdered millions of Jews, did Pope John Paul come out and forgive them?

I say make celebrities and heros out of our Just Police and Military who stand and defend us from these murderers.
 
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I don't believe or trust this guy. He wants an audience with the Pope; he doesn't get it. Now he is taking another approach; visiting the deceased Pope's tomb. He wants to get there too badly to do something. I believe Islamic terrorists are trying to use him.
 
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Especially because ISIS has expressed desire (and have declared they would) raise their flag in St Peter's Square.
I don't think that's how ISIS would want to do it. I think they would want to take the Vatican with violence since everything they do involves violence, death, and destruction.
 
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Hello LivingWordUnity,

So if a mass murderer had killed fifty children in an American school and Pope John Paul II flew in to forgive the man, and then flew back out, without mentioning any thanks to American Police and Military for bringing the man to justice, would this be 'heroic and saintly'? What about the Nazis who murdered millions of Jews, did Pope John Paul come out and forgive them?

I say make celebrities and heros out of our Just Police and Military who stand and defend us from these murderers.

The Pope forgave the man who tried to kill him. He did not forgive someone who killed other people (though sacramentally he could). This was the Pope's personal forgiveness for a man who tried to kill him.

And you say it would have been better if this man had been killed?
 
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I don't think that's how ISIS would want to do it. I think they would want to take the Vatican with violence since everything they do involves violence, death, and destruction.

I don't think it would be peaceful. I think the dude wants a shot at the Pope and other holy people, to proclaim Islam, and raise that flag high, even if just for a moment.
 
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So what does everyone think? Is ISIS forgiven by Pope Francis as they cut off the heads of many Catholics in Iraq? Would Pope John Paul II be proclaiming his forgiveness to ISIS as they persecute Catholics in Iraq? Should we glorify them for doing so?


Would George Bush have been far more glorious in the eyes of Catholics had he first gave some verbiage to the world that he forgave terrorists for 911 before he told terrorists that America was coming to kill or capture them until they, are destroyed or neutralized? Pope John Paul II had terrorist Mehmet incarcerated for 19 years (threat eliminated) when he forgave him. Pope John Paul II continued to have armed protectors ready to kill terrorists who came to murder him. Italy still does not allow Mehmet in to protect popes.

I say, if it is forgiveness verbiage the world wants to give worldly glorification to world leaders, then let us have American leaders pour it on thick, as role model Pope John Paul II has done. Can you imagine how much more glorious Pope John Paul II would have seen George Bush than himself had George Bush first gave some forgiveness verbiage about the 911 attacks on America before he laid out our plan to protect America? As long as the President and Popes still have guns to kill or incarcerate the bad guys who threaten us, it is all good.

My personal opinion is, let us give thanks and honor those who serve the Pope and America as our protectors, rather than making celebrities out of the terrorists.
 
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"Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant and cut off his right ear. (The servant’s name was Malchus.)

So Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword into its sheath; shall I not drink the cup that the Father has given me?”"

John 18:10-11 ESV
 
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"Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant and cut off his right ear. (The servant’s name was Malchus.)

So Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword into its sheath; shall I not drink the cup that the Father has given me?”"

John 18:10-11 ESV

Hello Tallguy,

So are you saying that Pope John Paul II was evil for having armed security at the Vatican? Pope John Paul II had two confirmed kills by Swiss Guard under his administration. Should Pope John Paul II, as you see Jesus' teaching, have sheathed his sword, by sending Swiss Guards back to Switzerland and told Italian police to stay off Vatican sovereign soil?
 
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Hello Tallguy,

So are you saying that Pope John Paul II was evil for having armed security at the Vatican? Pope John Paul II had two confirmed kills by Swiss Guard under his administration. Should Pope John Paul II, as you see Jesus' teaching, have sheathed his sword, by sending Swiss Guards back to Switzerland and told Italian police to stay off Vatican sovereign soil?

I think it's ok to have security. What you've talked about is over the line though. Every death is a tragedy and every time an attacker can be stopped without killing him is better than killing him.

Why do you feel the Pope was wrong to forgive the man who tried to kill him?
 
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Why do you feel the Pope was wrong to forgive the man who tried to kill him?

Hello Tallguy,

Do you feel that Pope Francis should forgive ISIS for murdering massive numbers of Catholics in Iraq? Let us start with the bigger issue of when Popes should forgive. It is easy to forgive someone who only wants to murder yourself. When does Jesus expect us to forgive the unrepentant murderers who are killing our loved ones? So what do you think? Should Pope Francis, in light of Jesus' teachings, come out and forgive ISIS as they decimate Catholics in Iraq?

Personally, I think it was a publicity stunt by Pope John Paul II to gain worldly glorification for himself. He knew that his attacker was going away in prison for a very long time. He was safe. Had Pope John Paul II said, I forgive this terrorist, release him from prison and put him in a bunk next to mine, and get rid of Swiss Guards who might kill him; now this kind of 'forgiveness' Pope John Paul II did not do. Had Pope John Paul II forgiven the man outside of the world view, that would be one thing, to blow his horn as he forgave the man, that is seeking worldly glorification for himself.

Let us put this terrorist out of the lime light. Let us thank Swiss Guards, police and military who are the real heroes who protect Popes and the people of the world.
 
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Would-be assassin places flowers on tomb of St. John Paul II

Catholic World News - December 29, 2014



Mehmet Ali Agca, who shot and wounded St. John Paul II in a May 1981 assassination attempt, returned to the Vatican on December 27 to place flowers on the tomb of the deceased Pontiff.


In an interview with the Italian daily La Repubblica, Agca said that he had made the gesture “to say that [the assassination attempt, and the survival of John Paul II] is a miracle of Our Lady of Fatima.” He said that he would next travel to the shrine of Our Lady of Fatima in Portugal.


Agca spoke to La Repubblica from Fiumicino airport outside Rome, explaining that Italian immigration authorities were sending him back to his native Turkey because he had entered Italy without proper documentation. He said that he would also travel to Portugal illegally, expressing confidence that he would be able to make the trip because he had the help of friends, whom he declined to identify.


Father Ciro Benedettini, a spokesman for the Vatican press office, said that Agca was free to visit the Vatican. He observed that there are no pending legal charges or restrictions against the former gunman, who was pardoned in 2000 for his attempt on the Pope’s life.


Agca said that he had hoped to meet with Pope Francis and other Vatican officials during his visit to Rome, but received no responses to his inquiries. He expressed gratitude, however, that he had been allowed to enter the Vatican basilica and visit the tomb of the man he had once sought to kill. An Italian television station showed video of his visit, evidently recorded by a cameraman who had been alerted to accompany Agca.


During his short visit to the tomb of St. John Paul II, Agca said, “Long live Jesus Christ.” He proclaimed aloud that Jesus is the only Savior of the world.


Agca—who has a long history of offering spectacular and contradictory accounts of the background behind his assassination attempt—told La Repubblica that he hoped to produce a documentary film that would tell the entire story, “from the role of the White House to that of the CIA, the Grey Wolves (a radical Turkish group), the accused Kremlin, the accused Vatican.”


However, Agca declined to answer a direct question regarding the sponsors of his 1981 assassination attempt, saying that “nobody believes what I say anymore.”

In a related development, Italian lawyers filed a petition asking for Agca to be detained for questioning about the disappearance of Emanuela Orlandi, the daughter of a Vatican employee, in 1983. Although Agca was in an Italian prison at the time of the girl’s disappearance, he recently claimed that she is alive and that some Vatican officials know the truth about her disappearance. An Italian court dismissed the petition, saying that Agca's story was not credible.
Gunman who tried to kill John Paul II puts flowers on his tomb (AP)


Ali Agca al centro espulsioni di Fiumicino: "Sono stato trattato bene". E rivela: "Qualcuno mi ha aiutato" (La Repubblica)


Lawyers seek detention of Agca (ANSA)

Prosecutors won't detain Agca in case of missing teen-sources (ANSA)
 
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