Does "the restoration of all things" include the Jerusalem Third Temple?

DennisTate · Nov 9, 2014

I personally have never spoken in tongues but my wife has and I am convinced that many Pentecostals receive genuine visions and dreams regarding the future.

I am rather hoping that some of you will ask to be shown a specific dream or vision regarding this question.

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:" (Luke 24:25)

"And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not,....
Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist." (Matthew 17:10-13)

So... does the work of the final Elijah include many events mentioned in Ezekiel chapter 40 - 48?

BLB - Eze 40: The Major Prophet Ezekiel 40 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

Eze 40:5
And behold a wall on the outside of the house round about, and in the man's hand a measuring reed of six cubits long by the cubit and an hand breadth: so he measured the breadth of the building, one reed; and the height, one reed.

DennisTate · Nov 9, 2014

Why were Pentecostal orphans in China given visions and dreams about the New Jerusalem beginning in 1919 if this topic has nothing to do with Christians?

Visions of New Jerusalem seen by Pentecostal orphans in China 1919-

http://www.christianforums.com/t7792844/

ByTheSpirit · Nov 9, 2014

No it does not include a third temple

dayhiker · Nov 9, 2014

I think what will be restored only God knows. Since we don't have verses that tell us exactly what they will look like any dream or studied comment is really just an opinion in my view.

Act.3: also speaks of this restitution.
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

I've preached these verses, its a great promise and a big faith builder. But exactly what that restoration will be I don't know.

ByTheSpirit · Nov 9, 2014

The temple was never part of the original plan. The tabernacle sure, but God didn't tell the Israelites to build him a temple, he allowed it and blessed it. I think the restoration of all things is referring to the New Jerusalem coming down... Revelation 21 stuff

Biblicist · Nov 9, 2014

In the Last Days the Jews might attempt to restore their temple but this would be nothing less than an abomination in the sight of the Lord as they would be trying to restore a Covenant that had been removed from them; or maybe that they were removed from the Covenant.

ByTheSpirit · Nov 10, 2014

Biblicist2 said:
In the Last Days the Jews might attempt to restore their temple but this would be nothing less than an abomination in the sight of the Lord as they would be trying to restore a Covenant that had been removed from them; or maybe that they were removed from the Covenant.

Exactly, the third temple would not do anything positive for Jews. In fact it may only further seperate them from God.

DennisTate · Nov 15, 2014

ByTheSpirit said:
The temple was never part of the original plan. The tabernacle sure, but God didn't tell the Israelites to build him a temple, he allowed it and blessed it. I think the restoration of all things is referring to the New Jerusalem coming down... Revelation 21 stuff

But once G-d makes a promise to a group of people..... isn't it automatic that that promise must come to pass?

Our sins and failures can delay the fulfillment of the promise.......but I suspect that the Covenant with the tribe of Levi must be fulfilled both literally as well as on a spiritual level in the church/ Bride of Messiah.

Malachi 2:4
And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

DennisTate · Nov 15, 2014

ByTheSpirit said:
No it does not include a third temple

Thank you for expressing your opinion on this ByTheSpirit.

The words of Jeremiah are interesting and seem to be related to this.

BLB - Jer 33: The Major Prophet Jeremiah 33 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

Jer 33:16
In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.

For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,

Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me."

I am certain that these verse were not fulfilled in the past...… so this must be referring to the Millennium or as Jews might say it... the era of Moshiach/ Messiah.

DennisTate · Nov 15, 2014

dayhiker said:
I think what will be restored only God knows. Since we don't have verses that tell us exactly what they will look like any dream or studied comment is really just an opinion in my view.

Act.3: also speaks of this restitution.
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

I've preached these verses, its a great promise and a big faith builder. But exactly what that restoration will be I don't know.

Dayhiker I am impressed that you admit that you don't fully understand this topic. Neither do I. Perhaps the best we can do with this topic at this time is begin to ask better and more informed questions that will tend to inspire us.. and build bridges to the Jewish community as well.

thunderbyrd · Dec 13, 2014

ByTheSpirit said:
Exactly, the third temple would not do anything positive for Jews. In fact it may only further seperate them from God.

indeed, it will not do any good for the Jews at all. the next temple to be built in Jerusalem will be built by the antichrist, or his followers. there's no one else who really needs it. he needs it to be built so that he can sit in the holy place and convince himself he is God. he's the only earthly being who will be able to make even a short, false peace between Jews and muslims. his rebuilding of the temple, with muslim approval, will seem like a wonderful thing, peace at last. but it ain't.

DennisTate · Dec 14, 2014

thunderbyrd said:
indeed, it will not do any good for the Jews at all. the next temple to be built in Jerusalem will be built by the antichrist, or his followers. there's no one else who really needs it. he needs it to be built so that he can sit in the holy place and convince himself he is God. he's the only earthly being who will be able to make even a short, false peace between Jews and muslims. his rebuilding of the temple, with muslim approval, will seem like a wonderful thing, peace at last. but it ain't.

A man from Uganda has written an amazing article about the fulfillment of Isaiah chapter 45 in our time period that I consider to be one of the most insightful that I have ever read.

I got the impression that during a bout with malaria this man had a near death experience. These do tend to give people a much greater level of contact with G-d and insight into many questions???!

Eporu Ronald Alfred

Kakira Deliverance Church,
P.O. Box 3191, Kakira, Jinja, Uganda

......

Dear brethren,
I salute you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!

RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).

1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.

Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.

Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.

2. King Manasseh was the shadow figure (forerunner) of the antichrist in the Old Testament who ruled over Jerusalem exactly 666 years Before Christ i.e. from 697 BC to 642 BC. (2 chronicle 33: 1-2 and 2 kings 21: 1-17). Antichrist is associated with the number 666 as written in the book of Revelation 13:18. Manasseh was the most evil king to have ever ruled over the city of Jerusalem and kingdom of Judah.

Manasseh is reported to have killed so many innocent people in Jerusalem that the streets of Jerusalem were flowing with blood; he worshiped pagan idols and stars; he built pagan alters for idols and stars in the very courtyards of the temple; he sacrificed his sons to idols; he consulted diviners and mediums; he even set up an abominable pagan image at the temple that causes desolation just as the incoming antichrist will do. It was on that basis that God decided to have that first temple destroyed completely since Manasseh had desecrated it.

3. Prophet Jonah was the shadow figure (forerunner) of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament who undertook his prophetic ministry around 777 B.C. Prophet Jonah is hence associated with the number 777. He arose from the shadow and demise of Prophet Elisha. His preaching radiated such great power and authority that turned the city of Nineveh as the rising super power of that time up side down within 3 days only (read the book of Jonah). Jonah was the prophetic force behind the restoration of the lost territories of Israel in the reign of King Jeroboam II of Israel between 782 BC and 741 BC as written in II Kings 14:25. Jonah related with God more or less as his own father and God loved him more or less as His own son. He volunteered to die save occupants of the ship and was raised to life after three days just like Jesus Christ. Jesus compared himself with Jonah as his forerunner in the Old Testament as far as his earthly ministry, death and resurrection was concerned in Mathew 12; 38-41, Luke 11; 29-32. Jesus will also oversee the restoration of the lost territories of Israel just like prophet Jonah when he comes to rule as the king of kings and Lord of Lords. We can therefore correctly associate Jesus Christ with the number 777 just like Jonah as our commander-in-chief, Lord of the Sabbath and fountain of life.

The more we know where we came from the more we know where we are going. You are cordially invited to visit my face book home page for more information and messages. Feel free to share this truth with other brethren just as I received it free of charge from God.

Your brother in Christ

Eporu Ronald
Scientist & Minister of Bible Prophecy

DennisTate · Dec 14, 2014

ByTheSpirit said:
Exactly, the third temple would not do anything positive for Jews. In fact it may only further seperate them from God.

Please take a look at the article by Mr. Eporu Ronald Alfred that I just posted in the reply above.

I consider his explanation one of the most logical ways in which Isaiah chapter 45 could relate to our time period that I have ever read in my 40 plus years of being a Christian.

geetrue · Dec 16, 2014

Today's Temple Mount is no longer Holy ... God does not need a house to live in. We the believers of Jesus being the Son of God sent to atone for all of our sins ... we are the new temple.

We worship Him in Spirit and in truth and they don't. I love them all, but without Jesus they will just be memories of history.

I did find this temple, probably in the thousand years of peace, uh?

Isaiah 60:9-14 KJV

Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee. And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.

Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought. For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.

The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.

The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

ByTheSpirit · Dec 17, 2014

DennisTate said:
Please take a look at the article by Mr. Eporu Ronald Alfred that I just posted in the reply above.

I consider his explanation one of the most logical ways in which Isaiah chapter 45 could relate to our time period that I have ever read in my 40 plus years of being a Christian.

geetrue said:
Today's Temple Mount is no longer Holy ... God does not need a house to live in. We the believers of Jesus being the Son of God sent to atone for all of our sins ... we are the new temple.

We worship Him in Spirit and in truth and they don't. I love them all, but without Jesus they will just be memories of history.

I did find this temple, probably in the thousand years of peace, uh?

Isaiah 60:9-14 KJV

Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee. And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.

Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought. For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.

The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.

The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

Well said geetrue...

DennisTate - what I may be willing to admit is the Anti-Christ finds a way to convince Islamic leaders for him/her to build a new Temple on the Temple Mount. Then since he had it built, once it's up and running decide he can do with it as he pleases.

But this is my biggest objection to saying verses like 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 apply to this "temple" (if my proposed view is accurate above). Paul wrote the Anti-Christ would sit in the Temple of God.

No rebuilt temple will be a temple of "God". Maybe of a god, but not the God.

No way. If he were to put his name and blessing on a building, or set of buildings that openly put Jesus' blood to shame and contempt, he would be violating the very reason Jesus came.

Jesus came so we didn't have to follow the Law and it's sacrifices any longer. He was the last sacrifice in God's eyes, no other sacrifice of blood will suffice, nor is it blessed. Only Jesus' blood and that's it. The very presence of "a Temple" would infuriate God I believe. That is why I view the temple's destruction in 70 A.D. as an act of God himself. He had it destroyed, not necessarily because the Jews were growing raccous, but because they refused to turn to Jesus for salvation and continued trusting in their sacrifices offered there.

DennisTate · Mar 7, 2015

geetrue said:
Today's Temple Mount is no longer Holy ... God does not need a house to live in. We the believers of Jesus being the Son of God sent to atone for all of our sins ... we are the new temple.

We worship Him in Spirit and in truth and they don't. I love them all, but without Jesus they will just be memories of history.

I did find this temple, probably in the thousand years of peace, uh?

Isaiah 60:9-14 KJV

Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee. And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.

Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought. For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.

The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.

The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

Excellent reply geetrue!

Yes. that one thousand years of peace on earth is a time when certain prophecies from Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the minor prophets are fulfilled that never happened at any other time in history.. .including in the time of King Solomon or King Hezekiah!

DennisTate · Mar 7, 2015

ByTheSpirit said:
Well said geetrue...

DennisTate - what I may be willing to admit is the Anti-Christ finds a way to convince Islamic leaders for him/her to build a new Temple on the Temple Mount. Then since he had it built, once it's up and running decide he can do with it as he pleases.

But this is my biggest objection to saying verses like 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 apply to this "temple" (if my proposed view is accurate above). Paul wrote the Anti-Christ would sit in the Temple of God.

No rebuilt temple will be a temple of "God". Maybe of a god, but not the God.

No way. If he were to put his name and blessing on a building, or set of buildings that openly put Jesus' blood to shame and contempt, he would be violating the very reason Jesus came.

Jesus came so we didn't have to follow the Law and it's sacrifices any longer. He was the last sacrifice in God's eyes, no other sacrifice of blood will suffice, nor is it blessed. Only Jesus' blood and that's it. The very presence of "a Temple" would infuriate God I believe. That is why I view the temple's destruction in 70 A.D. as an act of God himself. He had it destroyed, not necessarily because the Jews were growing raccous, but because they refused to turn to Jesus for salvation and continued trusting in their sacrifices offered there.

I may be wrong.. but at this time the time line that I lean heavily toward is that a genuine spirit led Christian fulfills the role of Cyrus first. .and the Jerusalem Third Temple is built.. perhaps to be operational by 2030 or delayed to 2070 if we Christians fail to give the type of respect to the words of Moses and King David and the prophets that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus taught us to give.

Then the anti-Christ guy takes over in the temple for 42 months after which Messiah Yeshua - Jesus fulfills Zechariah chapter 14 and comes down to cleanse the restored temple and make Jerusalem and the earth the place where he walks again much as he walked for forty days after the resurrection and walked through walls.. and appeared to the disciples. and told Doubting Thomas to feel the wound in his side and in his hands or wrists!

DennisTate · Mar 7, 2015

thunderbyrd said:
indeed, it will not do any good for the Jews at all. the next temple to be built in Jerusalem will be built by the antichrist, or his followers. there's no one else who really needs it. he needs it to be built so that he can sit in the holy place and convince himself he is God. he's the only earthly being who will be able to make even a short, false peace between Jews and muslims. his rebuilding of the temple, with muslim approval, will seem like a wonderful thing, peace at last. but it ain't.

I do agree that some really scary prophecies from Daniel and other places must be fulfilled!

But are we Christians supposed to be so fearful of those negative predictions that we would want to delay the true fulfillment of Zechariah chapter 14?

Do we fear the coming of the anti-Messiah more than we long for the coming of the true Messiah in his glorified form to bring genuine peace to all the earth starting at Jerusalem?

DennisTate · Apr 30, 2016

geetrue said:
Today's Temple Mount is no longer Holy ... God does not need a house to live in. We the believers of Jesus being the Son of God sent to atone for all of our sins ... we are the new temple.

We worship Him in Spirit and in truth and they don't. I love them all, but without Jesus they will just be memories of history.

I did find this temple, probably in the thousand years of peace, uh?

Isaiah 60:9-14 KJV

Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee. And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.

Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought. For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.

The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.

The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

But it sure does look like the sequence of events is......
temple is built.....
Orthodox Jews offer sacrifices for 2.5 or 3.5 years....
the bad guys take over in the temple.....
Messiah returns and cleanses the temple.....
somewhat like how the money changers were kicked out by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus during his
human ministry.......

Isaiah 66:5,6 predicts..........

Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.

DennisTate · Aug 3, 2016

ByTheSpirit said:
The temple was never part of the original plan. The tabernacle sure, but God didn't tell the Israelites to build him a temple, he allowed it and blessed it. I think the restoration of all things is referring to the New Jerusalem coming down... Revelation 21 stuff

But... doesn't the coming of the Anti-Christ......
have to precede the coming of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to fulfill every word in
Zechariah 14.......

Isaiah 66:5,6 predicts..........

Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.

Does "the restoration of all things" include the Jerusalem Third Temple?

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