God's plan for the Jews and the Land.

The whole premise of this is flawed. Anyone who understands their Bibles understands that "God being finished with the Jews," doesn't mean he is through with saving Jewish souls. They understand it to mean God is finished bringing his Word into the world through them. Finished somewhat exclusively manifesting his invisable kingdom through their nation. How can a tottaly false premise be debated rationally?

Here is a link on the subject of what the book of Genesis says about the first and second covenants. Bible Symbolism in Genesis

Phil,
Why would anyone who knows the Bible want to limit themselves to 5 OT passages. Why 5 and why OT? The very nature of the Bible is the opposite of that.

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Sort of like asking a person that lives in New York, "How do I get to California?" Answer, "You have to begin your journey by heading West." Than the details are filled in as to exactly what roads to take, where the best resturant's and motel's are etc. You can now start that journey

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And If I ask How many Miles it is from NY to CA, you'd say 70?

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So, do you still think the Lord is finished with the Jews? Your thoughts, and stay on target.

Phil LaSpino

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Can you define "Jew" for us first?

I know some of you may yell at me for posting this again.

However, he asked for it.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
(The promise was made to only one seed, Christ.)

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Being in-Christ is not dependant on one’s DNA. You are adopted through Christ.)

Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
(Read Romans 9:8 to find out who the “children of God” are.)

Gal 6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

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Romans 9, 10, and 11


Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
(God does not judge by one’s DNA.)

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
(All of Jacob's descendants are not included in Israel of the Promise.)

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
(Being a descendant of Jacob does not make one a child of God.)
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Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(The New Covenant has replaced the Old Covenant.)

Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(He took away the first covenant to establish the second.)

Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
(There is no need for renewed animal sacrifices. Christ was the ultimate sacrifice. He was God‘s one and only son.)

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
(Jesus said, "My Kingdom is not of this world.")

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Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(Faith in Christ replaces the Law.)

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(This is the only way of salvation, since the Cross. The blood of bulls and goats is now useless.)

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
(God is no longer a respecter of persons based on DNA.)

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
(Paul was not cast away, because of his faith in Christ.)

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
(During Paul's time there was a remnant of Jacob's descendants, who believed in Christ.)

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
(Salvation has always been by faith. No one but Christ has ever kept the Law. Nobody in the Old Testament was saved by keeping the Law. They were saved by Faith.)

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
(Those broken off, has to be a reference to the unbelieving Jews.)

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
(They can only be grafted back in, through faith in Christ.)

Rom 11:26 And “so” all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
("so" is an adverb of manner indicated by the Greek. It is not an adverb of time.)

G3779
οὕτω
houtō
hoo'-to
Or, before a vowel, οὕτως houtōs hoo'-toce.
From G3778; in this way (referring to what precedes or follows): - after that, after (in) this manner, as, even (so), for all that, like (-wise), no more, on this fashion (-wise), so (in like manner), thus, what.

This could also be written, “And in this manner all Israel shall be saved…” which refers back to verse 23. They can be grafted back in through Faith in Christ. Many people say this means all of the Jews will be saved. However, multiple verses in Romans 9, 10 and 11 say the opposite. This has been clearly demonstrated by the words of the Apostle Paul. One verse cannot change all of the other verses.

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Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph_2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
(God is no longer a respecter of persons. Christ has broken down the wall of separation between all peoples.)

The descendants of Jacob can only be grafted back into faithful Israel by faith in Christ. This is the "so", manner of their salvation.

The Church is not a parenthesis in God's plan. The Church is the Plan.

If we truly love the Jewish people we must tell them the truth.

PhillipLaSpino said:

Parousia:

I hope you can appreciate the work I put in getting this for you. It came from my website, and I filled in most of the verses and the abbreviations.

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Yes I can.
Thanks for the hard work Phil.

b. Masculine as adjective see below; mostly as subst. a Jew, as a past particle meaning it expresses a completed action, one who is of the tribe or country of Judah, Septuagint for "Jews," found in 2 K.16:6, “And drove the Jews from Elath,” but in later usage applied to all the inhabitants of Judea or Palestine and their descendants, Esth.3:6-10. Dan.3:8,

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So according to this, you are saying the modern day Palestinians are included in the definition "Jews" that this thread is about?

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So, do you still think the Lord is finished with the Jews? Your thoughts, and stay on target.

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I believe the responses thus far do not do justice to this question, which is important to God and the Lord Jesus Christ. The reasons Christians in general dismiss the promises to the patriarchs and Israel is primarily because there has been a false teaching from the time of Augustine that the Church (Jew & Gentile in one Body) in Heaven has replaced Israel as an eternal nation on earth.

1. God gave us His revelation in plain human language so that we would understand His plans for (a) the Church, (b) Israel, and (c) the ungodly. Each entity is distinct and has a distinct plan.
2. These plans encompass the universe and eternity.
3. The Bible is to be taken at face value, as literally as possible, and comparing Scripture with Scripture (not dismissing Scriptures which don't suit our mind-set).
4. The majority of denominations, churches, Bible schools, seminaries and pastors do not take Bible prophecy seriously, and quite a few do not believe that the Holy Bible is truly the inspired, inerrant, and infallible Word of God.
5. Too many theologies and theologians have been off track for centuries, but no one has challenged their basic premises.
6. Too many evangelical and fundamentalist Christians do not truly believe that the Holy Spirit can guide us into all truth, but at the same time we must "study to show ourselves approved unto God" as "workmen" (2 Tim 2:15).

In view of all this most Christians today:
1. Forget that Romans chapters 9-11 were written to remind Gentile Christians that God is not finished with Israel, and there will be a "remnant" according to the election of grace.
2. Forget that when the apostles asked Christ before His ascension whether He would now "restore AGAIN the kingdom to Israel" Christ did not respond with "Israel has no future". Instead He told them that it was not for them to know the times or the seasons (Acts 1:6,7).
3. Forget that God made an "immutable promise" to Abraham (Heb 6:13-17) that He would surely bless him, and one aspect of that blessing would be that his descendants would inherit the land of Promise for all eternity (Gen 17:6-8)
4. Forget that the New Covenant was made first with Israel, and secondly with the Gentiles (Jer 31:31-34)
5. Forget that God also made covenants with Israel and David to restore Israel to the land, and to give David an eternal kingdom and throne on earth (Deut 28-30; 2 Sam 7:8-17).
6. Forget that God "set aside" Israel for their unbelief after they rejected their Messiah-King Yeshua, but once the Church is complete, God will resume His dealings with Israel (Rom 11:25-29).

In view of all this, it behoves every Christian to carefully study the OT, since it ties in with the NT, keeping in mind that ALL SCRIPTURE is profitable for doctrine (2 Tim 3:16,17). And Bible study is serious business, and daily business (Acts 17:11,12).

parousia70 said:

So according to this, you are saying the modern day Palestinians are included in the definition "Jews" that this thread is about?

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Palestinians (Arabs) are not Jews, but Muslims. They are not partakers of the promises to Israel. Neither is present-day Israel (in unbelief and hostile to Christ) the Israel of eternity. Jews will go through "the time of Jacob's trouble" before they will acknowledge Christ as Lord and Savior, and only then will Israel be redeemed and restored.

The Church is not a parenthesis in God's plan. The Church is the Plan.

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The Church was never meant to be a "parenthesis". As long as we live in the Age of Grace, God makes no distinction between Jew and Gentile, and the Scriptures you quoted apply to the Church (Jew and Gentile in one Body). The Church includes the OT saints -- "the spirits of just men made perfect" (Heb 12:22-24). That is clear from Hebrews 11:40 "God having provided some better thing for us, that they (the OT saints) without us (the NT saints) should not be made perfect.

But the Church's eternal home is the New Jerusalem, and Israel's eternal home is on earth (along with many redeemed nations). This is the truth which Christians should understand and believe. God is not finished with Israel as Israel, and there will be a redeemed and restored Israel on earth under Christ, with David as regent, and the 12 apostles ruling with him over the 12 tribes. It is all there in Scripture, whether we believe it or not.

BAB2, regarding your post #7... consider that you keep talking about how that the "so" of Romans 11:26 refers to "in this manner" and is referring back to the condition mentioned related in 11:23, and that I agree with you on that.

But you seem so wrapped up in attempting to build your erroneous premise from that, that you continually pass the equally obvious condition in those passages...

Paul's connecting that condition to his "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, that blindness in part is happened TO ISRAEL UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles ve come in."

In other words, he is reminding us Gentiles that God is not through with Israel AS A NATION. That He will graf Israelites in again who, after the fulness of His Gentile visit be come in, who remain not in disbelief when He once more deals with them AS A NATION.

He just spoke of "how much more THEIR" - Israel's YET FUTURE - "fulness."

He is still on that subject - he is still keeping in mind a DISTINCTION between this PRESENT, non INDIVIDUAL Jew nor INDIVIDUAL Gentile visit of God's, and His PRESENTLY ON HOLD purpose when that DISTINCTION will once more be central to what God will be doing.

I get that you don't see that. I get that. Your lens won't allow you to. I get that. But have you looked at it, anyway?

At how it works? If not, then not only will you not see it, but you will not understand it to where your commentary can have your intended impact.

Leaving yourself with having to blame some Jesuit, or Darby, or whomever, as its inventor, and that is a weak arguement as none of those men, nor their opposers, are the standard some would make either of them - Scripture alone, is.

Danoh said:

BAB2, regarding your post #7... consider that you keep talking about how that the "so" of Romans 11:26 refers to "in this manner" and is referring back to the condition mentioned related in 11:23, and that I agree with you on that.

But you seem so wrapped up in attempting to build your erroneous premise from that, that you continually pass the equally obvious condition in those passages...

Paul's connecting that condition to his "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, that blindness in part is happened TO ISRAEL UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles ve come in."

In other words, he is reminding us Gentiles that God is not through with Israel AS A NATION. That He will graf Israelites in again who, after the fulness of His Gentile visit be come in, who remain not in disbelief when He once more deals with them AS A NATION.

He just spoke of "how much more THEIR" - Israel's YET FUTURE - "fulness."

He is still on that subject - he is still keeping in mind a DISTINCTION between this PRESENT, non INDIVIDUAL Jew nor INDIVIDUAL Gentile visit of God's, and His PRESENTLY ON HOLD purpose when that DISTINCTION will once more be central to what God will be doing.

I get that you don't see that. I get that. Your lens won't allow you to. I get that. But have you looked at it, anyway?

At how it works? If not, then not only will you not see it, but you will not understand it to where your commentary can have your intended impact.

Leaving yourself with having to blame some Jesuit, or Darby, or whomever, as its inventor, and that is a weak arguement as none of those men, nor their opposers, are the standard some would make either of them - Scripture alone, is.

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I understand the teaching of a "national salvation" for Israel.

The problem is that salvation has always been on an individual basis through faith.

God protected the children of Israel from the Egyptian army. However, thousands of those same people were destroyed by God during Korah's rebellion because of their lack of faith.

Do you think those living in Israel today are now following the Plan of God, even though most of them and their leaders have rejected the Son?

I do have a problem understanding why my Brothers and Sisters insist on promoting the kingdom of the Pharisees over the kingdom of God.

Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

BABerean2 said:

The problem is that salvation has always been on an individual basis through faith

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Absolutely. That began with Abel (Heb 11:4) and will always be so.
When the term "national salvation' is used for Israel, those to whom it seems like a contradiction fail to realize under what circumstances "All Israel shall be saved" (Rom 11:26). All the nations will be gathered against Israel to destroy it at the battle of Armageddon, which is 50 miles from Jerusalem (Rev 16:13-16). This will be a time of extreme stress for every Jew then living.

Then Christ will come as their "Deliverer out of Sion" (Rom 11:26), and the Jews, with all the nations, will fulfil "and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him" (Rev 1:7). It is this supernatural deliverance which will finally cause all Israel to repent at the same time -- "[He] shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob" and bring salvation to the Jews -- "when I shall take away their sins" (Rom 11:26,27). So just as on the Day of Pentecost 3,000 Jews were saved (all individual decisions), possibly 6 million or more Jews (current pop of Israeli Jews) will be saved on that day. This is not "favouritism" but the same requirement -- "repent and be converted that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3:19).

I do have a problem understanding why my Brothers and Sisters insist on promoting the kingdom of the Pharisees over the kingdom of God.

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Your Brothers and Sisters are all presently in the Church. God has set a limit on the number of Gentiles who will enter the Church (Rom 11:25). He calls it "the fulness of the Gentiles", which will correspond to the number of sinners who freely receive Christ by then (and there are multimillions in the Church already). However after the Church is completed and caught up to Christ in the Rapture, God will resume His dealings with Israel as a nation.

The Lord had nothing but condemnation for the Pharisees, therefore there will be no hypocritical Pharisees gathered into the redeemed nation of Israel. Each one will be truly saved under the New Covenant (Jer 31:31-36). In any event, who are we to question God's grace and mercy, which is without respect of persons?

Here is God's Plan for the Jews; the 'third swing of the sword'. Ezekiel 20:14
But a remnant will be saved. Isaiah 6:13, Zech 13:7-9
Isaiah 21:2 In my vision, I see a traitor betrayed. Advance Elam, up Media, [Iran] to the siege. Do not hesitate! The Iranian military and their proxies prepare their attack on Israel. Psalm 83:1-8, Ezekiel 25:1-17, Isaiah 31:8-9, Jer. 9:25-26
Isaiah 21:3-5 I am in pain, trembling in fear. Night has become a horror to me. The princes and leaders sit down to a banquet. Rise and polish your shields!
The world leaders are unprepared, they celebrate. Time to get up! Prepare for the attack!
Isaiah 21:6-7 Go, post a lookout. If he sees columns of horsemen, donkeys and camels advancing, he must be fully alert.
Keep watch- if your enemies combine, that is: form alliances, then you know an attack is imminent. Micah 4:11
Isaiah 22:6 Elam [Iran] took up the quiver, the chariots of Aram [Syria] were readied, Kir [Turkey and Iraq] bared the shield.
Iran and their allies attack. A quiver is an arrow holder. An arrow is USA military code for a nuclear weapon. Jeremiah 49:35-36…the main weapon of Iran’s might…
Isaiah 21:1 A whirlwind sweeps through the Negev, from the wilderness, a land of terror. The Lord instigates a coronal mass ejection that hits the Middle East region at midday, Zeph. 2:4-9 with devastating consequences. Ezekiel 20:47-48, Isaiah 30:25-28, Rev 6:12-17
Isaiah 22:1-2 Tell me, what is amiss with you? Why have you climbed up onto the roof? Why do you worry and run out of your houses? Your city is in an uproar, your slain did not fall by the sword in battle. Ezekiel 7:14
This is the 24 hour period between the initial light flash of this coronal mass ejection and the arrival of the main superheated mass. Everyone is terrified. Those killed were by the EMP flash, fires and earthquakes. Isaiah 29:5-8, Malachi 4:1, Zeph. 3:8
Isaiah 22:3 All your commanders have fled, bravest soldiers gone in all directions.
The military panic and have deserted their posts. Isaiah 34:2-3
Isaiah 22:5 For the Lord has ordained a Day of tumult, a day of turmoil in the valleys and mountains.
The Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a worldwide devastation, is decreed. Isa. 66:15-16
Isaiah 21:8-9 Day and night, I watch- they come - a voice calls ”fallen is Babylon, her Gods are shattered”
Israel and most of the Middle East is virtually depopulated. Ezekiel 30:2-5, Amos 1:1-15
Isaiah 21:10 O My people, crushed on the threshing floor. From the God of Israel, I have told you. Isaiah 3:8-9, Amos 2:4-5, Ezekiel 21:1-7
Isaiah 22:4 That is why I said, leave Me to weep in misery. Do not console Me for the ruin of My people. The House of Judah, in their judgement and punishment. Jer. 8:5-12, Isa 4:3-4
Isaiah 22:7 Your fairest valleys were overrun by chariots, your cities beset by horsemen.
Fires, storms and earthquakes will severely damage all the holy Land. Jeremiah 9:10
Isaiah 22:8-10 The heart of Judah’s defence was laid open. On that Day....
Desperate measures are taken to fight the fires and restore order.
Isaiah 22:11 You did not look to the Maker of the city, or consider Him who fashioned it long ago. The Israelis refuse to acknowledge Gods Hand in their affairs or call for His help.
Isaiah 22:12 On that Day, the Lord called for weeping and mourning.
Judah and Israel should repent in sincerity and call on the Lord. Hosea 12:2
Isaiah 22:13 Instead there was joy and merrymaking, feasting and dancing. You said: ‘let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die” Zechariah 13:7-9, Matthew 21:43
Isaiah 22:14 Here are words revealed by the Lord of Hosts - Assuredly your wickedness will never be erased, you will die for it.[/I] Zephaniah 1:4-6, Jeremiah 13:19, Luke 19:27

Nothing in the context of Rom 11 supports that Job8. What you are explaining is 2P2P--the belief that God has two peoples and programs running in the Bible. No matter how incoherent it makes things. The NT affirms very clearly that there is just one and was just one in the past, but that Judaism's veil is to think there is two. In Gal 3:17, most pointedly, we find Paul needed to speak about Judaism's replacement and voiding of the Promise. They did this by the Law. It was never intended to be read or thought of that way.

Be careful of reading Rom 11:26 as a sound-byte in favor of something in our future. It is not the meaning at all, from about 5 indicators in the context. There are threads here at Esch&Proph about this, for some background reading.

The view you have only has one other sound-byte to stand on: 'you will not see me again until you say 'blessed is he...' Again, there are many details about this that show it is not a prediction as such and does not solidify that kind of showing or ascension to kingship that you are thinking.

There has been much confusion over who is Israel and who are Christians in regards to the end-time prophecies in the book of Revelation. Much of the confusion is due in no small part to the false teaching of a Rapture doctrine wherein they 'need' the Christian Church to be gone after {Rev 4:1} for support of their errant theories. And if they were to accept that the 144,000 'sealed of Israel' {Rev chp.7} are not Jews but rather Christians from the 10 lost tribes of Israel then their Rapture theory washes of it's foundation of sand.

The entire Bible, the Old Testament, the New Testament, the book of Revelation, even past {Rev 4:1} all the way to the last chapter "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches..." {Rev 22:16} is written to and/or about the Christian Church, that faithful church of God, some of it history, some prophecy, some warning and admonition, some instruction, but all of it for God’s chosen people, the planting of the Lord {Isa 61:3} as they moved from the Garden of Eden into present day history and then beyond into the eternity. It is the true Christian, the followers of Christ who are the light to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus the Son of God, that shall fulfill the prophecy and, for God, by God, spread the Gospel of God during the end-time troubles:

Jesus Christ prophesied of in approx. 603-588 B.C.:
The prophecy fulfilled in Jesus Christ’ birth 600 years later:
And since then, it is the followers of Jesus Christ, the Christians, that are the true religion of and from God, ALL other religions are false and vain plantings of satan - period! The Old Testament religion of the Hebrews became Christianity when God sent His Son with the New Covenant (Testament). The religion of Judaism never was the Old Testament Hebrew religion of God, it was, and is, a corruption of it. Judaism (Jews) added 'oral traditions' called The Talmud to the Old Testament Scriptures and totally corrupted God's Old Covenant (Testament) into an ungodly, unscriptural religion.

NOTE: In the Bible you see the term "Jew" used quite a bit. But it isn't in the same sense that we today use the term "Jew." The Word Jew in the Bible can mean two different things: either a descendant of the tribe of Judah OR a person from the land of Judaea (the region in which Jerusalem resides, a 'county' or 'province' so to speak) but not necessarily of the tribe of Judah. it's like you can be an Irishman and live in Germany and yet not be a German. Don't let the different languages and the names in them confuse you on this. Observe:
So then, when we use the term "Jew" today what are we saying? Allow us to answer that with an excerpt from the Information Division, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Jerusalem, and the The Jewish Almanac themselves, lest anyone think we are being so-called anti-Semitic here

The word Jew comes from a Greek word meaning descendent of the tribe of Judah, or someone living in the land of Judea. Today's Jews call themselves Jews to falsely imply that they are somehow descendent from the Biblical tribe of Judah.
When asked the question, "Who is Israel? - Who is a Jew?", the Israeli Government's Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) unhesitatingly answered thus [emphasis added]:


"Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew." Or to call a contemporary Jew [an] "Israelite," or a "Hebrew." The first Hebrews may not have been Jews at all, and contemporary Palestinians, by their own definition of the term "Palestinian," have to include Jews among their own people."
So in the Bible when you see someone referred to as a "Jew" it could mean a 'good' one like Jesus Christ who was a descendant of the Patriarch Judah on His mother's side, OR, it could mean a 'bad' one like the Jews that sought to kill Jesus Christ:
My point here is that just because you see someone called a "Jew" in the Bible does not necessarily mean that they are a devote chosen man of God, nor, necessarily an evil person with corrupt religion. You have to take each one in context of the Scripture, the Scripture will let you know which kind of 'Jew' is being spoken about.

Ok, let’s take a brief overview of who were God’s chosen people all throughout the Biblical narrative. At first the faithful of God were born into family lines (Israel), but then after Jesus Christ came, all could be grafted into the family of the faithful and saved. See {Rom 11:13-26}.

I will not further condemn the Rapture theory in this study save to now say that it is probably responsible for as much, if not more, misunderstanding of God’s Word among Christians than even the idolatrous Catholic Church. Peace to you and let us start our study at the beginning to understand the end:
On the sixth day God CREATED all the peoples, tribes, races, ethnics (ethnos’), on the earth (White, Black, Hispanic, Oriental, ...), male AND female He CREATED them. God saw that they were all VERY good {Gen 1:31}, and He rested on the seventh day. On the next day (the eighth) God FORMED Adam in the Garden of Eden (and took Eve from him) for a very special reason.

The peoples of the earth, all the different peoples, were incapable of living up to God’s standards of sinlessness. So God FORMED Adam to be the great Patriarch of the redemption of mankind. And 4000 years later, from Eve, umbilical cord through umbilical cord would be born Mother Mary, through who, by the gifting of the Holy Spirit of God would be born the Messiah of ALL MANKIND who would believe upon Him.

Jesus was the Son of God in the strictest genealogical way. For God FORMED Adam (‘eth ha-adaam = this very particular man Adam) in His own express image. Then from that man Adam God made Eve. So as we see, they were both in that 'likeness' of God even though one be male and one be female, they were become one in marriage. Then through time and 4000 years of childbirth within that family unit: From Adam to Eve to Able who was killed, then to Seth...Eber (Hebrews name came from him)...Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (name changed to Israel by God)...Judah & Levi...David...Mother Mary - would be born the Messiah Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit of God.
Jesus was one unbroken physical seed from God {Gen 3:15}. It is this Jesus that is the Savior to the world, not only Israel from Adam, but also the gentiles from the sixth day creation. Look at it this way: God through Adam through Eve through Mother Mary + the Holy Spirit of God = Jesus Christ, God manifested in the flesh (Emmanuel - God with us).
In the Old Testament we had a man in Christ’s genealogy named Eber {Gen 11:16} (spelled Heber in N.T. {Luke 3:35}). From him we get the name Hebrews. Then in the process of time, through Heber’s family we came to Abraham, who begat Isaac, who begat Jacob. Now God changed Jacob’s name to Israel and he had 12 sons.
These twelve sons are the Patriarchs (founding fathers) of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. There was no such thing as Israel in the Bible until these twelve sons were born (approx. 1775-1728 B.C.). And God changes Jacob's name to Israel in (Gen 32:28 - approx.1739 B.C.). So prior to this the family of Adam (Formed in 4004 B.C.) was God’s chosen and it was they whom through the promise was to come. And by 'chosen' I mean that through them God would save ALL peoples. God loves all His children! Please do not read racism or anti-Semitism into this, there is no racism or anti-Semitism with God’s Word, but satan so loves to plant seeds of discord, so resist the temptation to be used in this manner (race baiting).
In the process of time these Twelve Tribes had a rift, and the split into two Kingdoms:
In the process of time SOME of the Kingdom of Judah were allowed to return to Jerusalem, most did not. So this small contingent of the Tribe of Judah stayed in Jerusalem and intermarried with the Babylonians, as well as the Edomites (sons of Esau Jacob/Israels’s brother by Isaac) and the Kenites (sons of Cain, which was the son of the serpent/satan {Gen 3:15}). These formed their own religion that was much different than the Old Testament religion of the Hebrews. These who are now called "Jews" added to the Old Testament Scriptures their own "Oral Law" called Talmud. This of course was a corruption of God’s Old Testament religion and the work of satan.
It is these Jews that were in control of the Temple during Christ’s time, it is them that Christ so often chastised and rebuked, it is them that Jesus told:
And it is them that killed the Son of God Jesus Christ by forcing the hand of pagan Rome. So today, when someone calls themselves a Jew they most likely aren’t, they are just ignorant to the preceding events. Not all of Israel or Judah are Jews and none of the Jews are Israel or Judah. It is these Jews that are in large number in modern day Israel (though there are also some true Judah and Israel there as well - they should be properly called Hebrews not Jews - but they don’t know this, it has been kept from them, they don’t know who they are, they have been betrayed by their parents ... parents ... parents). But all can be saved through Christ Jesus!
So in a perversion of truth, these Jews call themselves the chosen of God but in fact are the offspring of Judah that intermarried with the heathen peoples and formed their own perverted religion that disobeys God at almost every turn. The Jewish Anti Defamation League (among others) has suppressed this type of information and labels those who teach it as "anti-Semitic" or "racist" to discredit them, hide the truth, and proliferate the apostasy away from God (though some racists take this teaching and equally in ignorance use it in hate, we are not among that group). But the term "anti-Semetic" is itself a misnomer, for those called "Jews" have very little if any Semitic blood in their veins and they have apostate into heathen religion and forsook God. They have more blood of Cain (Kenites) and the Edomites (Esua - Khazer Jews of Russia) in their veins than blood of Israel or true Judah for that matter. Call it the fox in the hen house if you will. But NOT ALL HEBREW PEOPLE ARE JEWS, in fact, very very very few Hebrew peoples became Jews, and true Israel and true Judah know not who they are.
Ok, so what happened to Israel, the Ten Tribe Northern Kingdom? Did they die off? God forbid, for had they, then God’s Word would have failed, for God promised Abraham that his seed should be as the sand of the sea for multitude:
Well, there are only 13 million Jews on the Planet of over 6 billion people (less that one percent) so where is the multitude as the sand of the sea? Did God make a mistake, or lie to Abraham in the Covenant? Of course not!!! This is not possible, God cannot lie {Titus 1:2}!

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Absolutely. That began with Abel (Heb 11:4) and will always be so.
When the term "national salvation' is used for Israel, those to whom it seems like a contradiction fail to realize under what circumstances "All Israel shall be saved" (Rom 11:26). All the nations will be gathered against Israel to destroy it at the battle of Armageddon, which is 50 miles from Jerusalem (Rev 16:13-16). This will be a time of extreme stress for every Jew then living.

Then Christ will come as their "Deliverer out of Sion" (Rom 11:26), and the Jews, with all the nations, will fulfil "and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him" (Rev 1:7). It is this supernatural deliverance which will finally cause all Israel to repent at the same time -- "[He] shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob" and bring salvation to the Jews -- "when I shall take away their sins" (Rom 11:26,27). So just as on the Day of Pentecost 3,000 Jews were saved (all individual decisions), possibly 6 million or more Jews (current pop of Israeli Jews) will be saved on that day. This is not "favouritism" but the same requirement -- "repent and be converted that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3:19).


Your Brothers and Sisters are all presently in the Church. God has set a limit on the number of Gentiles who will enter the Church (Rom 11:25). He calls it "the fulness of the Gentiles", which will correspond to the number of sinners who freely receive Christ by then (and there are multimillions in the Church already). However after the Church is completed and caught up to Christ in the Rapture, God will resume His dealings with Israel as a nation.

The Lord had nothing but condemnation for the Pharisees, therefore there will be no hypocritical Pharisees gathered into the redeemed nation of Israel. Each one will be truly saved under the New Covenant (Jer 31:31-36). In any event, who are we to question God's grace and mercy, which is without respect of persons?

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You and others have been deceived by the dispensational doctrine of two kingdoms, Earthly Jews and the Heavenly Church which has been promoted by Darby, Scofield, Larkin and others to varying degrees.

The Apostle Paul makes it clear in Romans 9, 10, and 11 as well as the epistles the difference between Israel of the Flesh and Israel of the Promise. You then attempt to reverse all of those verses by a misapplication of Romans 11:26. This is done by changing the "so" which is the manner of salvation to "then" as a time of salvation.

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

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And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

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You talk about the gentile Church, which is another deception. Since Paul's time the Church has continued to be made up of both the descendants of Jacob and the gentiles grafted together into one body. You are ignoring the truth to promote the fable.

Many evangelical pastors today are even insisting that the descendants of Jacob are still under the Old Covenant. The book of Hebrews clearly states that the Old Covenant has been replaced by Christ.

Based on the parable of the wise and foolish virgins of Matthew chapter 25, they must accept Christ before He returns.