Understanding Evolution
- Thread starter maksutov
- Start date
- Status
justlookinla
Regular Member
I can point to 'scientist' after 'scientist' which says that. I can give the definition of Darwinism which allows for ONLY naturalistic mechanisms in the creation of all life we observe today. Not guided naturalistic mechanisms, but nothing but naturalistic mechanisms.
If only naturalistic mechanisms created humanity, it's up to 'science' to show that only naturalistic mechanisms were capable of producing the incompehensible complexity and variety of life we observe today. It's up to 'science' to produce evidence that only naturalistic mechanisms could construct a machine as complex as the human body. Simply because some 'scientist' has a view doesn't make it science.
Oh....and slight changes in the beak size of a finch just doesn't do it, does it?
Birds produce birds which produce birds which produce birds. Remember?
Upvote
0
EternalDragon
Counselor
You have been a member here for 8 years and no one has shown
you Jesus Christ as the designer?
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Upvote
0
justlookinla
Regular Member
Oh, I still minister, just don't pastor. I enjoy going from meeting to meeting and presenting Jesus Christ as Lord.
Upvote
0
selfinflikted
Under Deck
- Jul 13, 2006
- 11,441
- 786
- 44
- Faith
- Atheist
- Marital Status
- In Relationship
- Politics
- US-Democrat
People have claimed Jesus is the creator. But no one has ever been able to present one shred of evidence that this is true. I see you also fall into that category.
Upvote
0
justlookinla
Regular Member
In only very rare cases do we have to see the plans and meet the designer to recognize something as designed. Honestly, do you withhold your decision on design until you study the plans and actually speak to the designer? If those are missing, you reject anything as designed?
"Looks like"? Are you now suggesting that one does not have to actually see the plans and meet the designer to determine if something is designed?
Tool marks? On that encrusted piece of metal? You serious, Clark?
Could be. But they sure weren't needed to conclude the object was designed, were they?
I can point to Darwinism which will allow for one, and only one impetus for creation. Guess what that one impetus is.
I can't point to a lesson plan in any public schools which permits, allows or considers any impetus for the creation of humanity other than one impetus. Again, guess what that one creative impetus for the creation of humanity is.
Expect the sinking ship of atheistic Darwinist creationism to finally go down
Upvote
0
justlookinla
Regular Member
If you think this very very simple machine was designed, SHOW ME THE DESIGNER! Otherwise it's just the product of a random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless creative process?
Sure hate to see you go. I felt like we were getting somewhere.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
justlookinla
Regular Member
Not going to give an example of something complex on earth which does not have a designer, are you?
Upvote
0
justlookinla
Regular Member
Start with Dawkins and Krauss. Need more?
We are talking about the creationist viewpoint that humanity, and all life, is the produce of ONLY random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago.
Upvote
0
Yes is it is circular.
You say:
Then you claim there is nothing more complex than humans.
And you are claiming that everything has a designer.
SO anything more complex and less complex than the most complex thing is designed.
Not only can you not even show how complexity requires a designer, but you can't even define what you mean by "complex".
Tell me which part doesn't represent your position:
- Complex things have a designer.
- Humans are the most complex.
- Therefore humans are designed.
With that argument, what could possibly not be designed? You have no control, no reference, and most importantly, no base for your premises.
We only have evidence for natural processes developing humanity.
Do you understand the difference between these two sentences?:
We only have evidence for natural processes developing humanity.
We have evidence for only natural processes developing humanity.
Upvote
0
If you think this very very simple machine was designed, SHOW ME THE DESIGNER! Otherwise it's just the product of a random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless creative process?
Sure hate to see you go. I felt like we were getting somewhere.
We can go to a valve factory and see people designing and making valves. You can't go to magic bible land and see Gods making universes.
Upvote
0
No, you can't, because you can't even tell these two sentences apart:
There is only evidence for natural processes developing humanity.
There is evidence for only natural processes developing humanity.
This is the mistake you're making in your erroneous notion of what the Theory of Evolution is.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
selfinflikted
Under Deck
- Jul 13, 2006
- 11,441
- 786
- 44
- Faith
- Atheist
- Marital Status
- In Relationship
- Politics
- US-Democrat
If you think this very very simple machine was designed, SHOW ME THE DESIGNER! Otherwise it's just the product of a random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless creative process?
Sure hate to see you go. I felt like we were getting somewhere.
Can't show you the designer, as they are long gone. Is your god dead? Is that why you can't show it to me?
We were getting nowhere.
(Assuming the guy that made this is deceased)
Upvote
0
EternalDragon
Counselor
In other words you want to be presented with Jesus' living body
so you can see the holes in his hands and feet and put your hand
through the cut in his ribs?
Upvote
0
selfinflikted
Under Deck
- Jul 13, 2006
- 11,441
- 786
- 44
- Faith
- Atheist
- Marital Status
- In Relationship
- Politics
- US-Democrat
Well, that would be ideal.
But something, anything, aside from Bible quotes would be nice.
(I hope you understand why Bible quotes don't cut it)
Upvote
0
EternalDragon
Counselor
God as singular, not plural. And he was asking for the designer of
that particular valve, not generic creators of any old valve.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
In all fairness, with his reading comprehension problem he may not actually be able to differentiate the meanings in those two sentences.
Dizredux
Upvote
0
- Status
Similar threads
