Resurrection Disproves Pop Culture End Time Teachings

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It seem that this is the beheaded from Rev 20 who will receive that task...
Revelation 20 (KJV)
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Taken literally, only the disciples and the beheaded were part of the first resurrection. The disciples were promised the thrones of judgement:

"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." -- Matt 19:28

"And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel." -- Luke 22:29-30

The beheaded were few in number. We know that John the Baptist was beheaded; and tradition has Paul being beheaded in the days of Nero, but there is no proof. Who else?

Therefore, taken literally, the first resurrection consisted of the Disciples, John the Baptist, and maybe the Apostle Paul.

That makes sense, when you think about it. John was the messenger; and the others were the only ones of the new covenant who received the oracles of God.

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It is a waste of time to address each point. YOu would not believe it anyway. I post for the readers, so they get some truth here.

There ARE NO verses to the contrary, except for what Solomon wrote. He was mistaken. I am sure what he said or wrote was recorded accurately, but just like Job's three friends, was WRONG.


let the readers of your posts beware, when you claim that what Solomon wrote was not inspired by God and therefore Solomon was "mistaken" and "wrong"........you actually will call God's word wrong just to promote and defend your immortal soul lie........it's the first lie recorded in scripture when satan told Eve 'you won't die' if you eat of this tree......you're deceived by the same lie and attempting to deceive others with the same lie going as far as you do with your false claims and false witness against one of God's servants and his holy inspired word of truth

readers are not getting truth from such blatant claims as what you're making which should be quite obvious when someone claims that the very word of God is wrong
 
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The forever soul is a person that does not undergo soul sleep, ie, only the body snoozes until Jn.5:28, 29.

All from Adam forward awoke in one of two places.

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Thank you again my brother. :)
Did you read Eze 37? No, you didn't.


Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!

Psa 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Psa 31:17 Let me not be ashamed, O LORD; for I have called upon thee: let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in the grave.

Psa 49:14 Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them; and the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; and their beauty shall consume in the grave from their dwelling.

Psa 88:5 Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand.

Psa 88:11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?

Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
There's no way you can misinterpret these verses; but you, on the other hand, misinterpret the words soul and spirit in your verses. God blew breath into Adam, and Adam became a living soul, not a spirit within a flesh body. The fleshly body was given life thru God's breath/spirit and became a living soul/being.

When man dies, the breath (what you misinterpret as a spirit) returns to God. There is no life after death until the set resurrections because Christ was the first begotten (the first to have life after death/resurrected body) from the dead. No one lived after death before Christ.
 
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Originally posted by iamlamad:
I am NEITHER naïve or rebellious. I am "rightly dividing" the word of Truth. I have a little bit of common sense - something sadly lacking on this thread at times. Do you imagine that when Peter spoke out of line and was corrected by Jesus, that he, Peter, was speaking by the Holy Spirit?

Do you imagine that Job's three friends, in their many chapters of discourse, were speaking by the Holy Spirit? Only someone EXTREMELY naive would think that, when God said at the end that what they said was WRONG. I have even heard sermons from these three of Job's friends. Anyone getting a sermon from nonsense is indeed very naïve.

Here is some common sense for you. If there seems to be a conflict between an Old Testament verse and a New Testament verse, ALWAYS form doctrine from the New. Next, always form your doctrine from the scriptures where there is the most complete thesis on a subject. Then fill in missing pieces from lessor scriptures. An example here would be to form doctrine from Revelation, not Daniel, for Revelation has chapters on something where Daniel may have a verse or two. Finally, if a verse makes good sense in its literal sense, just believe it as it is written - don't try to make it symbolic of something else.

Perhaps you should meditate on why Paul thought the word of God needed to be "rightly divided." Remember, he was only talking about the OLD Testament that needed to be "rightly divided." When he wrote, "all scripture," he was speaking of ONLY the Old Testament, for that was all they had at that time.

By the way, I don't have a rebellious bone in my body, neither am I unteachable. I am wise enough to know when people are teaching nonsense, and I will not be taught nonsense.
Your game of ignorance is pathetic. You're definately not naive. :thumbsup:
 
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In all seriousness we're celebrating, eg, also proclaiming His death, entombment, and resurrection, the Lord's Supper later this morning, ie, we have something in common (celbrating) and not even Sunday. :cool:

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Who is we?
 
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btw, a better understanding of 'rightly divided' than is often offered in futurism (dividing between fulfilled and unfulfilled prophecy...) is dividing between what part of the Law continues in effect vs. not. One reason that is better is that prophecy really is part of that same question; many things would clear up if we would realize that we can't contradict the sweeping statements about the old covenant in 2 cor 3-5 or Heb 8-10. But also it is a better way of distinguishing because of so many futurist/D'ist treatments that keep using a fulfilled OT passage in a Christ-less way and try to place it in their system of event-sequences, when it already has a NT fulfillment declared about it!
 
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The forever soul is a person that does not undergo soul sleep, ie, only the body snoozes until Jn.5:28, 29.

All from Adam forward awoke in one of two places.

Old Jack's opinion

Thank you again my brother. :)

WOW! We agree! :thumbsup:
 
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Who is we?

"we" are just a few old insignificant Lutherans that get together daily by phone and/or email....elevating the Cross...then at least once a week get personally together partaking of the Lord's Supper (reception of spritual life from Him) with His 'real Presence.'

Old Jack's opinion
 
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