What this all boils down to, is believing everything in scripture is of God or not. If you do believe everything in scripture is of God and continue to argue using one side of the argument verses, you are either naive or rebellious, and I know you're not naive.Originally quoted by iamlamad:
You live in some fairytale land. "all the other verses" you chose say nothing of the kind. You only think they do.
Now try and concentrate as we read this verse:
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes,
YOu try and put a resurrection here, where Luke did not. Indeed, this is moments after death: there is no resurrection here.
I see how you operate: when a verse proves you wrong, you just change the meaning of the verse! How convenient!
Pulpit Commentary:
Lazarus is described as being borne at once into Abraham's bosom. Indeed, some interpret the words as signifying that the body as well as the soul was carried by angels into Paradise*. It is, however, better, with Calvin, to understand the expression as alluding only to Lazarus's soul;
* Some like you that imagine this was resurrection day!
Benson Commentary
Luke 16:22. And it came to pass In a little time; that the beggar died Worn out with hunger, and pain, and want of all things; and was carried by angels (amazing change of the scene!) into Abrahams bosom So the Jews styled paradise; the place or state where the souls of good men remain from death to the resurrection.
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Was carried by the angels - The Jews held the opinion that the spirits of the righteous were conveyed by angels to heaven at their death.
Matthew Poole's Commentary
two great points are proved:
1. That the soul is capable of an existence separated from the body, and therefore is not, as some atheists dream, a mere affection of that, and an accident, but a distinct spiritual subsistence.
2. That the souls of the good, when they depart from their bodies, immediately pass into an eternal state of blessedness.
Next, consider what was said between Martha and Jesus:
John 11
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
It is proven beyond any shadow of doubt: there was a DEATH but no resurrection. At DEATH one went to Abraham's bosom, while the other went to hell and fire. You just insert a resurrection so this will fit your theories.
You have been caught twisting scripture. NO COMMENTARY I could find agreed with your theory.
Lamad how do you interpret 1 Peter 3:20 who tell us more about these spirits in prison(Hell/Hades) and their disobedience who happened during the days of Noah ?...n2thelight said:He had know reason to preach to them(angels),as they were and are already judged...He preached to those who did'nt have the same chance as those for whom He died on the cross for........
I Peter 3:19 "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison,"
These spirits that Christ preached to in prison, where the spirits of the saints that died prior to His death on the cross.
Lamad how do you interpret 1 Peter 3:20 who tell us more about these spirits in prison(Hell/Hades) and their disobedience who happened during the days of Noah ?...
I Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 PETER CHAPTER 3
The Bible give us another clue
2 Peter 2:4
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;
Jude 1:6 (KJV)
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
What this all boils down to, is believing everything in scripture is of God or not. If you do believe everything in scripture is of God and continue to argue using one side of the argument verses, you are either naive or rebellious, and I know you're not naive.
What are you trying to say? If you're trying to say the resurrected body is a spirit, I suggest you read Eze 37.
By the way, at sundown I will be celebrating a double Sha-Bath; so, I'll have to get back to you Saturday evening.
There are verses that say the members of the body of Christ on earth would be judges or rulers during the millennium.
Riberra said:Lamad how do you interpret 1 Peter 3:20 who tell us more about these spirits in prison(Hell/Hades) and their disobedience who happened during the days of Noah ?...
I Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
I Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 PETER CHAPTER 3
The Bible give us another clue
2 Peter 2:4
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;
Jude 1:6 (KJV)
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
I guess we don't need to guess, for Peter tells us that these spirits are from all those that drowned in the flood. Good point!
Genesis 6 (KJV)
The verses i mentioned point out that
those spirits in prison (Hell/Hades) are the -sons of God -mentioned in Genesis 6 .These are these angels who sinned mentioned in 2 Peter 2:4 (which kept not their first estate -Jude 1:6)
Gen 6:4 when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them,
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
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4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Now you know the meaning of 1Peter 3:19 and 1 Peter 3:20
I Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
I Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Go look them up. I am tired.
It seem that this are the beheaded from Rev 20 who will receive that task...iamlamad[/quote said:There are verses that say the members of the body of Christ on earth would be judges or rulers during the millennium.