Preterist interpretation request

Please! Your like a bat on Halloween. You're creeping me out!

precepts said:

I am certain you can't be serious, and I know you can't be that ignorant of scripture. The only conclusion is this is just an act. Why the act? I don't know, but I'm not playing the game any more. It's obvious you can't accept scriptural facts straight from the scriptures mouth. .

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Certainly you can express yourself better than you have been. If you have complaints about the interpretations of others, why do you insist on whining and misdirection, rather than simply confronting them with their interpretive errors? This is a debate forum, or it is supposed to be?


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Rev20 said:

Certainly you can express yourself better than you have been. If you have complaints about the interpretations of others, why do you insist on whining and misdirection, rather than simply confronting them with their interpretive errors? This is a debate forum, or it is supposed to be?


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Spoken like a true vampire, a Nosferatu.


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precepts said:

Spoken like a true vampire, a Nosferatu.

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You are on ignore.


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Time4Truth said:

I was watching a debate between a preterist and a futurist the other day and the preterist didn't seem to have a lot of answers for events he claimed were in the past.

Something I would deem problematic would be Zechariah, how can these verses be construed as anything other than yet future?

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

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The Roman forces were made up of multi-ethic armies. Thus, "I with gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle".

According to Josephus, there were 1.1 million Jews killed and according to Suetonius 600,000 Jews were killed all by famine, pestilence, and by the hands of the Roman armies and 100s of thousands were exiled or enslaved.

Now according to one statistic, there are nearly 900,000 people residing in Jerusalem today AS OF 2014!

Well there goes your 2/3 statistics and don't forget much of Jerusalem was never rebuilt after A.D. 70!

It is no mere coincidence that the 70 A.D. 143-day siege (REVELATION 9:5) began at PASSOVER! And that on the 10th of August, in A.D. 70 – (the 9th of Av) -- in Jewish calendar reckoning, the very day when the King of Babylon burned the Temple in 586 B.C., the Temple was burned again. Titus took the city and put it to the torch, burning the Temple, leaving not one stone upon another.

Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

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The Jews under siege were multi-ethnic as the siege began during PASSOVER and the Roman armies were also multi-ethnic. And quite by design, that Nero committed suicide in A.D. 68, plunging the Roman Empire into devastating civil wars that nearly toppled the Roman Empire forever during the Year of the Four Emperors. And since Jerusalem 70 A.D., the Roman Empire began a steady decline too never recovering its past glory.

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.


thanks in advance!

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Figurative, see Micah 1:3-7 for more metaphoric usage about God's judgment on Israel via the Assyrians in 740 BCE.

Please notice the similarities between this passage in Micah chapter 1 and Zechariah 14:4:

For, behold, the Lord cometh forth out of his place,
and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth.

And the mountains shall be molten under him,
and the valleys shall be cleft,
as wax before the fire,
and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.


For the transgression of Jacob is all this,
and for the sins of the house of Israel.
What is the transgression of Jacob?
is it not Samaria?
and what are the high places of Judah?
are they not Jerusalem?


Therefore I will make Samaria as an heap of the field,
and as plantings of a vineyard:
and I will pour down the stones thereof into the valley,
and I will discover the foundations thereof.

And all the graven images thereof shall be beaten to pieces,
and all the hires thereof shall be burned with the fire,
and all the idols thereof will I lay desolate:
for she gathered it of the hire of an harlot,
and they shall return to the hire of an harlot.

If you read the opening of Isaiah, the intention of God is not so much on getting Israel back to its land as on a moral, ethical renewal that is meaningful. The mountain to which the nations come in ch 2 is the ethical, judicial base that the Christian message provides and stabilizes nations.

Isaiah 56 and the Book of Revelation are the best passages in the Bible in my opinion that explain what Father is going to Judge you on when you die. Many Christians are not going to like what I am about to say. Father wants a few in every community to "Cry aloud, spare not, Lift up your voice like a trumpet; Tell My People their transgression." Here we go, buckle up and leave the Devil at the Door! Remember, I am not Righteous and probably am the biggest sinner among you. The Last Book of the Bible is the one that Jesus wanted to make clear in once and for all how do you inherit Eternal Life. He gave these words to His Beloved Disciple John knowing that this would be the last Book in the entire Holy Bible. I am talking about the Book of Revelation. In this Book Jesus says that the "Only Ones" that get to spend Eternity with Father and Himself are called the: "Blessed Ones, Chosen Ones, & Faithful Ones" (Revelation 14:12-13, 17:14, 19:9, 20:6). In this last Book of the Bible we are told the only way to Eternal Life is to be in the group of people who: 1.) Keep the Commandments of God & 2.) have the faith and testimony of Jesus Christ. Now having said that, you may be wondering what does it mean to "keep the Commandments of God"?. Well hundreds of years before Jesus gave this revelation to John, Jesus "The Word" gave it to the prophet Isaiah. Jesus makes it very clear in Isaiah 56 what it means to keep the Commandments of God! In Isaiah 56:2 Jesus tells us who are the "Blessed Ones" just like He did in Revelation chapters 14, 17, 19, & 20. Jesus EVEN STOMPS HIS FEET WHILE HE TEACHES THIS JUST LIKE A TEACHER WOULD IF HE WAS TEACHING THE TEST. Jesus says in Isaiah 56:2 "the man who DOES THIS, and the son of man who LAYS HOLD ON IT" will receive the Salvation mentioned in verse 1. Jesus says throughout chapter 56 that THIS CHAPTER is for the Gentile Church!!! Jesus refers to the "church" here as the "sons of the foreigner who join themselves to the Lord". Jesus also refers to the Gentile Church here as "Others besides those outcasts of Israel will be gathered to Father when Jesus Comes. Jesus capitalizes the "O" in others here not me. Jesus also says "Every Man who does THESE THINGS" are considered the Blessed Ones. Now, does Isaiah 56 lists of things you must do to be saved the same as the list in the Book of Revelation? YES!!! Here is how it is worded in Isaiah: 1.) The Blessed Ones choose what pleases Me. 2.) they love the "NAME OF THE LORD" and choose to be His Servants. {JESUS CHRIST}. 3.) Keep from defiling the SABBATH 4.) Keep from doing what is Evil. This list matches Revelation's list perfectly. The 10 Commandments found in Exodus 20 are the Commandments of God. Keep the SABBATH Holy is one of them and obviously one that really pleases Father. What is the true SABBATH? Do not let any one tell you it is anything other than Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. Ok, how do we keep from defiling it? Now you need to turn 2 chapters forward and look at Isaiah 58. Jesus spells out how He wants you to act on the Sabbath 24 hour period. He makes it very clear in verse 3 not to have your business open during that 24 hour period!!! Unless you are feeding and clothing the poor at no charge!!! And, if you have employees helping you with that service they are not required to be there and you can not pay your employees. They have to want to come to serve the Lord. If you do this on the Sabbath, you must use it as a tool to teach the Truth about how to be saved. The Gospel of Jesus Christ while you are serving them for free. This is exactly why the "Western Nations chose to ignore the TRUE SABBATH. They do not want to close down between Friday nite to Saturday nite. Is this a requirement of Salvation? Think of it this way. There is only One that Jesus wants you to love and HONOR more than Himself or your Christian Brethren and that is Father. Father told you in Isaiah 56:4, rest of 56, and all of chapter 58 what pleases Him. Be careful not to defile the SABBATH, you may be the half of the Church that Jesus says "Depart from Me I never knew you." Remember, Father comes down to live with Jesus and Us after the 1,000 year Millennium is over. Jesus does not want a bunch of people hanging out beside Father for Eternity who did not try to please Him. Read it for yourselves.

BellyRumble,
it is difficult to read a huge paragraph on these post, visually. 2-3 sentences at a time make a good post. It forces you to be short and tightly put, which is good for you.

What is your point?