Truth does not lie.... post it.......

ErezY · Oct 30, 2014

listed said:
I talk about their doctrines and not them per se. Others seem to take anything said as a personal attack.

I don't trust you, sorry. You just said you don't know of any group like this, not one. Now you say you talk about 'their' doctrines, but don't attack them. You used the first person, not past tense, which tells me you actively talk about such groups. Which is proved by your posts. You're not being honest with me here.

I don't believe you. And I don't trust you.

Cribstyl · Oct 31, 2014

erezchaim said:
I don't trust you, sorry. You just said you don't know of any group like this, not one. Now you say you talk about 'their' doctrines, but don't attack them. You used the first person, not past tense, which tells me you actively talk about such groups. Which is proved by your posts. You're not being honest with me here.

I don't believe you. And I don't trust you.

The bible is truth..................
How about some biblical facts rather than just argument.

listed · Oct 31, 2014

erezchaim said:
I don't trust you, sorry. You just said you don't know of any group like this, not one. Now you say you talk about 'their' doctrines, but don't attack them. You used the first person, not past tense, which tells me you actively talk about such groups. Which is proved by your posts. You're not being honest with me here.

I don't believe you. And I don't trust you.

What I said remains true. I said I did not know of any group that meets for worship according to the new moon calendar. You claim MJ and Hebrew believers do. You have changed the focus of the discussion to those who gather for worship on Saturday and not the Sabbath based on the new moon calendar. In effect you are attempting to merge and call them actually the same calendar. Even a cheap Gregorian calendar will reveal this is not true. A month can have more than 1 new moon such as March of this year.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 1, 2014

a moderator on a chat room at eliyah something gets things mixed up, but one thing he did was look into the moon thing,
and after step by step carrying it out in his study he found it ran into an impossibility/contradiction.

i don't understand either the moon calendar nor the contradiction so can't really say much more,
but i haven't seen anyone anywhere nor even heard of them who both go by the moon calendar and have a good result (life and effect on others as observed by others).

note though that almost no group has 'good results', so this isn't a (intentional or otherwise) slight against them if their is such a group
(going by a moon calendar),

just it is very rare, hard to find, any group that has 'good results'. (of course, the ekklesia won't be large anywhere (compared to worldly groups), and ekklesia won't advertise or sell themselves or anything religious, and ekklesia is not well accepted by the prince of this world(rather his enemy and opposed by him),

so ekklesia may be, perhaps literally, next door, and unknown for a time, even a long long tiime.

listed · Nov 1, 2014

yeshuaslavejeff said:
a moderator on a chat room at eliyah something gets things mixed up, but one thing he did was look into the moon thing,
and after step by step carrying it out in his study he found it ran into an impossibility/contradiction.

i don't understand either the moon calendar nor the contradiction so can't really say much more,
but i haven't seen anyone anywhere nor even heard of them who both go by the moon calendar and have a good result (life and effect on others as observed by others).

note though that almost no group has 'good results', so this isn't a (intentional or otherwise) slight against them if their is such a group
(going by a moon calendar),

just it is very rare, hard to find, any group that has 'good results'. (of course, the ekklesia won't be large anywhere (compared to worldly groups), and ekklesia won't advertise or sell themselves or anything religious, and ekklesia is not well accepted by the prince of this world(rather his enemy and opposed by him),

so ekklesia may be, perhaps literally, next door, and unknown for a time, even a long long tiime.

I am very happy to not have taken your wild goose chase up looking for some non existent group. Sorry you had to back out of your claim.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 1, 2014

??? have no idea what you're talking about. no worries. don't have to know.

(i think you meant to reply to someone else, and just didn't realize it... but again, no idea yet)

but yes, do realize that ekklesia may not be 'found' by looking in the phone book or other references or even this forum.

listed · Nov 1, 2014

yeshuaslavejeff said:
??? have no idea what you're talking about. no worries. don't have to know.

(i think you meant to reply to someone else, and just didn't realize it... but again, no idea yet)

but yes, do realize that ekklesia may not be 'found' by looking in the phone book or other references or even this forum.

You already backed out. I can not understand why you would even try to continue to encourage me to look for something that does not exist. I do not have time for such. You can talk down on me all you like.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 1, 2014

still missing the original thing you're trying to refer to..... perhaps you remember ?
(the original post)
i didn't make any claims as far as i know... the "you" you are talking to from post 63 i think is someone previous, is that what you're trying without success to refer back to ?

listed · Nov 1, 2014

yeshuaslavejeff said:
still missing the original thing you're trying to refer to..... perhaps you remember ?
(the original post)
i didn't make any claims as far as i know... the "you" you are talking to from post 63 i think is someone previous, is that what you're trying without success to refer back to ?

That is OK. You have shown you are not willing to answer my question. No need to continue.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 1, 2014

erezchaim said:
I don't trust you, sorry. You just said you don't know of any group like this, not one. Now you say you talk about 'their' doctrines, but don't attack them. You used the first person, not past tense, which tells me you actively talk about such groups. Which is proved by your posts. You're not being honest with me here.

I don't believe you. And I don't trust you.

listed said:
I am very happy to not have taken your wild goose chase up looking for some non existent group. Sorry you had to back out of your claim.

listed said:
You already backed out. I can not understand why you would even try to continue to encourage me to look for something that does not exist. I do not have time for such. You can talk down on me all you like.

listed said:
That is OK. You have shown you are not willing to answer my question. No need to continue.

true perhaps, you can stop, but you're still missing the original thing you're trying to refer to..... perhaps you DON'T remember ?
(i realize now having reread the earlier thread, you're elderly, so forgetfulness or mixing up posts is quite understandable. youngsters do it also, but don't have as good an excuse)

i didn't make any claims(you didn't identify any) as far as i know... the "you" you are talking to from post 63 ET AL ... i think is someone previous, is that what you're trying without success to refer back to ?

you obviously mixed up the various posts. you never did specify anything i said that you took issue with, except that you can't find it.

it would be simplest and most honest if you go back and read the thread, and let me know what you're trying to say and to who
in the post that says
you are VERY HAPPY.

yes, this seems convoluted... oh well. now what group are you talking about ?? LET'S KEEP IT THAT SIMPLE.

listed · Nov 1, 2014

yeshuaslavejeff said:
true perhaps, you can stop, but you're still missing the original thing you're trying to refer to..... perhaps you DON'T remember ?
(i realize now having reread the earlier thread, you're elderly, so forgetfulness or mixing up posts is quite understandable. youngsters do it also, but don't have as good an excuse)

i didn't make any claims(you didn't identify any) as far as i know... the "you" you are talking to from post 63 ET AL ... i think is someone previous, is that what you're trying without success to refer back to ?

you obviously mixed up the various posts. you never did specify anything i said that you took issue with, except that you can't find it.

it would be simplest and most honest if you go back and read the thread, and let me know what you're trying to say and to who
in the post that says
you are VERY HAPPY.

yes, this seems convoluted... oh well. now what group are you talking about ?? LET'S KEEP IT THAT SIMPLE.

I presented a clear position. You presented 2 positions abandoning 1 while claiming both are the same and backed out of your claim. Way

dude!

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 1, 2014

listed said:
I presented a clear position. You presented 2 positions abandoning 1 while claiming both are the same and backed out of your claim. Way dude!

you again seem to be mixing up who you're replying to.

you never once yet identified any claim or group ,by any poster, and that's the issue.
so,
if you actually had anything to say to start with, what group that anyone posted about are you talking about ???

listed · Nov 2, 2014

yeshuaslavejeff said:
you again seem to be mixing up who you're replying to.

you never once yet identified any claim or group ,by any poster, and that's the issue.
so,
if you actually had anything to say to start with, what group that anyone posted about are you talking about ???

No so. I know exactly who I am talking with. I know absolutely what group of people I am talking about. You and I both know without doubt that group does not exist as you have claimed.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 2, 2014

okay, let's make it real simple.

you still haven't stated what you're talking about nor referring to.

From the start: >> here's where you quoted me first, with the posts unedited even for spaces.

show me what you're talking about (or are you 'backing out?' as you made a mistake?).
(you post with quote about a 'claim', a 'goose chase' , and a 'non-existant group')
so, where's the claim ?
so, where's the goose chase ?
so, where's the non-existant group ?

yeshuaslavejeff said:
a moderator on a chat room at eliyah something gets things mixed up, but one thing he did was look into the moon thing,
and after step by step carrying it out in his study he found it ran into an impossibility/contradiction.

i don't understand either the moon calendar nor the contradiction so can't really say much more,
but i haven't seen anyone anywhere nor even heard of them who both go by the moon calendar and have a good result (life and effect on others as observed by others).

note though that almost no group has 'good results', so this isn't a (intentional or otherwise) slight against them if their is such a group
(going by a moon calendar),

just it is very rare, hard to find, any group that has 'good results'. (of course, the ekklesia won't be large anywhere (compared to worldly groups), and ekklesia won't advertise or sell themselves or anything religious, and ekklesia is not well accepted by the prince of this world(rather his enemy and opposed by him),

so ekklesia may be, perhaps literally, next door, and unknown for a time, even a long long tiime.

listed said:
I am very happy to not have taken your wild goose chase up looking for some non existent group. Sorry you had to back out of your claim.

listed · Nov 2, 2014

yeshuaslavejeff said:
okay, let's make it real simple.

you still haven't stated what you're talking about nor referring to.

From the start: >> here's where you quoted me first, with the posts unedited even for spaces.

show me what you're talking about (or are you 'backing out?' as you made a mistake?).
(you post with quote about a 'claim', a 'goose chase' , and a 'non-existant group')
so, where's the claim ?
so, where's the goose chase ?
so, where's the non-existant group ?

I am tired of being jerked around by you.

Cribstyl · Nov 4, 2014

Cribstyl said:
Gen 17:10

This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. (God's word is clear about who is required to keep His covenants. Even Jesus uncovered the fact that Moses required the people to be circumcised if the 8th day falls on the Sabbath. Why? Because circumcision (not Sabbath) was passed down from the fathers.)

Jhn 7:22

Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the Sabbath day circumcise a man.

It is clearly understood that it was God who required Moses to circumcise the children of Israel. This was done because of the His covenant with Abraham noted above in Gen 17:10. Sabbath did not precede circumcision nor was it required of the fathers before Moses or Jesus was wrong on this historical fact.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 4, 2014

HA! Yhvh laughs (it is written).

even Adam and Chavah kept/ honored Sabbath. they learned directly from ABBA ! and likewise from thence forth.

all around the world Sabbath has been known since the beginning - the Message is in the stars (see e.w.bullinger). worldly men oppose it. religious men oppose it. they always have opposed it.

Yhvh says now, today, it is the signpost of His people, whom He delights in, and that they will even be beheaded for it. and they will receive the reward from Yhvh of their eternal life and all the blessings He gives as He delights in them / us (ekklesia immersed in Yahushua)

Sophrosyne · Nov 4, 2014

yeshuaslavejeff said:
HA! Yhvh laughs (it is written).

even Adam and Chavah kept/ honored Sabbath. they learned directly from ABBA ! and likewise from thence forth.

all around the world Sabbath has been known since the beginning - the Message is in the stars (see e.w.bullinger). worldly men oppose it. religious men oppose it. they always have opposed it.

Yhvh says now, today, it is the signpost of His people, whom He delights in, and that they will even be beheaded for it. and they will receive the reward from Yhvh of their eternal life and all the blessings He gives as He delights in them / us (ekklesia immersed in Yahushua)

Nope... Adam didn't keep the Sabbath nor did anyone till Moses keep it and even Moses wasn't quite sure how to keep it when he was told to at first

Belly Rumble · Nov 11, 2014

Isaiah 56 and the Book of Revelation are the best passages in the Bible in my opinion that explain what Father is going to Judge you on when you die. Many Christians are not going to like what I am about to say. Father wants a few in every community to "Cry aloud, spare not, Lift up your voice like a trumpet; Tell My People their transgression." Here we go, buckle up and leave the Devil at the Door! Remember, I am not Righteous and probably am the biggest sinner among you. The Last Book of the Bible is the one that Jesus wanted to make clear in once and for all how do you inherit Eternal Life. He gave these words to His Beloved Disciple John knowing that this would be the last Book in the entire Holy Bible. I am talking about the Book of Revelation. In this Book Jesus says that the "Only Ones" that get to spend Eternity with Father and Himself are called the: "Blessed Ones, Chosen Ones, & Faithful Ones" (Revelation 14:12-13, 17:14, 19:9, 20:6). In this last Book of the Bible we are told the only way to Eternal Life is to be in the group of people who: 1.) Keep the Commandments of God & 2.) have the faith and testimony of Jesus Christ. Now having said that, you may be wondering what does it mean to "keep the Commandments of God"?. Well hundreds of years before Jesus gave this revelation to John, Jesus "The Word" gave it to the prophet Isaiah. Jesus makes it very clear in Isaiah 56 what it means to keep the Commandments of God! In Isaiah 56:2 Jesus tells us who are the "Blessed Ones" just like He did in Revelation chapters 14, 17, 19, & 20. Jesus EVEN STOMPS HIS FEET WHILE HE TEACHES THIS JUST LIKE A TEACHER WOULD IF HE WAS TEACHING THE TEST. Jesus says in Isaiah 56:2 "the man who DOES THIS, and the son of man who LAYS HOLD ON IT" will receive the Salvation mentioned in verse 1. Jesus says throughout chapter 56 that THIS CHAPTER is for the Gentile Church!!! Jesus refers to the "church" here as the "sons of the foreigner who join themselves to the Lord". Jesus also refers to the Gentile Church here as "Others besides those outcasts of Israel will be gathered to Father when Jesus Comes. Jesus capitalizes the "O" in others here not me. Jesus also says "Every Man who does THESE THINGS" are considered the Blessed Ones. Now, does Isaiah 56 lists of things you must do to be saved the same as the list in the Book of Revelation? YES!!! Here is how it is worded in Isaiah: 1.) The Blessed Ones choose what pleases Me. 2.) they love the "NAME OF THE LORD" and choose to be His Servants. {JESUS CHRIST}. 3.) Keep from defiling the SABBATH 4.) Keep from doing what is Evil. This list matches Revelation's list perfectly. The 10 Commandments found in Exodus 20 are the Commandments of God. Keep the SABBATH Holy is one of them and obviously one that really pleases Father. What is the true SABBATH? Do not let any one tell you it is anything other than Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. Ok, how do we keep from defiling it? Now you need to turn 2 chapters forward and look at Isaiah 58. Jesus spells out how He wants you to act on the Sabbath 24 hour period. He makes it very clear in verse 3 not to have your business open during that 24 hour period!!! Unless you are feeding and clothing the poor at no charge!!! And, if you have employees helping you with that service they are not required to be there and you can not pay your employees. They have to want to come to serve the Lord. If you do this on the Sabbath, you must use it as a tool to teach the Truth about how to be saved. The Gospel of Jesus Christ while you are serving them for free. This is exactly why the "Western Nations chose to ignore the TRUE SABBATH. They do not want to close down between Friday nite to Saturday nite. Is this a requirement of Salvation? Think of it this way. There is only One that Jesus wants you to love and HONOR more than Himself or your Christian Brethren and that is Father. Father told you in Isaiah 56:4, rest of 56, and all of chapter 58 what pleases Him. Be careful not to defile the SABBATH, you may be the half of the Church that Jesus says "Depart from Me I never knew you." Remember, Father comes down to live with Jesus and Us after the 1,000 year Millennium is over. Jesus does not want a bunch of people hanging out beside Father for Eternity who did not try to please Him. Read it for yourselves.

listed · Nov 11, 2014

Belly Rumble said:
Isaiah 56 and the Book of Revelation are the best passages in the Bible in my opinion that explain what Father is going to Judge you on when you die. Many Christians are not going to like what I am about to say. Father wants a few in every community to "Cry aloud, spare not, Lift up your voice like a trumpet; Tell My People their transgression." Here we go, buckle up and leave the Devil at the Door! Remember, I am not Righteous and probably am the biggest sinner among you. The Last Book of the Bible is the one that Jesus wanted to make clear in once and for all how do you inherit Eternal Life. He gave these words to His Beloved Disciple John knowing that this would be the last Book in the entire Holy Bible. I am talking about the Book of Revelation. In this Book Jesus says that the "Only Ones" that get to spend Eternity with Father and Himself are called the: "Blessed Ones, Chosen Ones, & Faithful Ones" (Revelation 14:12-13, 17:14, 19:9, 20:6). In this last Book of the Bible we are told the only way to Eternal Life is to be in the group of people who: 1.) Keep the Commandments of God & 2.) have the faith and testimony of Jesus Christ. Now having said that, you may be wondering what does it mean to "keep the Commandments of God"?. Well hundreds of years before Jesus gave this revelation to John, Jesus "The Word" gave it to the prophet Isaiah. Jesus makes it very clear in Isaiah 56 what it means to keep the Commandments of God! In Isaiah 56:2 Jesus tells us who are the "Blessed Ones" just like He did in Revelation chapters 14, 17, 19, & 20. Jesus EVEN STOMPS HIS FEET WHILE HE TEACHES THIS JUST LIKE A TEACHER WOULD IF HE WAS TEACHING THE TEST. Jesus says in Isaiah 56:2 "the man who DOES THIS, and the son of man who LAYS HOLD ON IT" will receive the Salvation mentioned in verse 1. Jesus says throughout chapter 56 that THIS CHAPTER is for the Gentile Church!!! Jesus refers to the "church" here as the "sons of the foreigner who join themselves to the Lord". Jesus also refers to the Gentile Church here as "Others besides those outcasts of Israel will be gathered to Father when Jesus Comes. Jesus capitalizes the "O" in others here not me. Jesus also says "Every Man who does THESE THINGS" are considered the Blessed Ones. Now, does Isaiah 56 lists of things you must do to be saved the same as the list in the Book of Revelation? YES!!! Here is how it is worded in Isaiah: 1.) The Blessed Ones choose what pleases Me. 2.) they love the "NAME OF THE LORD" and choose to be His Servants. {JESUS CHRIST}. 3.) Keep from defiling the SABBATH 4.) Keep from doing what is Evil. This list matches Revelation's list perfectly. The 10 Commandments found in Exodus 20 are the Commandments of God. Keep the SABBATH Holy is one of them and obviously one that really pleases Father. What is the true SABBATH? Do not let any one tell you it is anything other than Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. Ok, how do we keep from defiling it? Now you need to turn 2 chapters forward and look at Isaiah 58. Jesus spells out how He wants you to act on the Sabbath 24 hour period. He makes it very clear in verse 3 not to have your business open during that 24 hour period!!! Unless you are feeding and clothing the poor at no charge!!! And, if you have employees helping you with that service they are not required to be there and you can not pay your employees. They have to want to come to serve the Lord. If you do this on the Sabbath, you must use it as a tool to teach the Truth about how to be saved. The Gospel of Jesus Christ while you are serving them for free. This is exactly why the "Western Nations chose to ignore the TRUE SABBATH. They do not want to close down between Friday nite to Saturday nite. Is this a requirement of Salvation? Think of it this way. There is only One that Jesus wants you to love and HONOR more than Himself or your Christian Brethren and that is Father. Father told you in Isaiah 56:4, rest of 56, and all of chapter 58 what pleases Him. Be careful not to defile the SABBATH, you may be the half of the Church that Jesus says "Depart from Me I never knew you." Remember, Father comes down to live with Jesus and Us after the 1,000 year Millennium is over. Jesus does not want a bunch of people hanging out beside Father for Eternity who did not try to please Him. Read it for yourselves.

I am very willing to allow those who think they can merit their salvation to continue to do so. Allow me to say I believe there is a very sad day coming.

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