The Resurrections in Scripture

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Throughout the Scripture, there is constantly written material and detail of Resurrection - the bringing back to life of persons from the ground, grave or tomb, the coming to life and wakefulness, even from the sleep of death - Psalms 13:3, &c.

Jesus, spake of it -
John 6:39 KJV - And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40 KJV - And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 KJV - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54 KJV - Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 14:2 KJV - In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3 KJV - And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

&c​
Job spake of it -
Job 14:14 KJV - If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

Job 14:15 KJV - Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.​
Paul Spake of it -
Acts 17:18 KJV - Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

&c​
Peter spake of it in in Epistles, 1 & 2, read the whole thing, as he is constantly referring to the first great Resurrection at the appearing or revealing of Jesus Christ in the Second Advent.

The same is spoken all throughout the Scriptures, and therefore, we can see that the Scriptures do not speak anywhere of immediacy of hellfire, nor of heavenly abode in one's death, for first the Judgment must take place.

Question:

"How many resurrections are recorded in Scripture?"

The Answer:

Elijah raises the Widow of Zarephath's Son
- 1 Kings 17:17-24;

Elijah raises the son of the Shunamite Woman - 2 Kings 4:18-37;

A man and Elisha's Bones - 2 Kings 13:20-21;

The Valley of Bones, the Resurrected Army - Ezekiel 37:1-14;

Jesus raises the Widow of Nain's Son - Luke 7:11-17;

Jesus raises Jairus's Daughter - Matthew 9:18,19,23-26; Mark 5:22-24,35-43; Luke 8:41-42,49-56;

Jesus raises Lazarus - John 11:1-47;

Peter raises Tabitha/Dorcas - Acts 9:36-42;

Paul raises Eutychus - Acts 20:9-12;

*Some think that Paul himself was also raised, after his stoning, but the context shows that Paul was simply gravely injured in that instance, and not dead. Please see the ending notation and scripture for this.

The Son of God/Michael raises Moses - Matthew 17:1-12; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36; 2 Peter 1:16; Romans 5:14; Jude 1:9;

Select Group, First Fruits Resurrection, around the locality of Jerusalem at the time of Jesus own - Psalms 68:18; Isaiah 26:19; Matthew 27:52,53; Ephesians 4:8;

Jesus' own Resurrection - Matthew 28:1-20; Mark 16:1-20; Luke 24:1-53; John 20:1-31; 1 Corinthians 15:20,23, &c;

Special Resurrection to come, before the Great First Resurrection - Daniel 12:2,12; Matthew 26:64; Mark 14:62; Revelation 1:7, 14:13, &c;

First great resurrection of the saints, just, life, before/at start of the 1000 years when Christ Jesus returns in Power and Glory, raised - 1 Samuel 2:6; Job 14:12-14, 19:26; Hosea 13:14; Matthew 22:31; Mark 12:18,23,25; Luke 14:14, 20:35,36; John 5:29a, 6:25,28,29,39,40,44,54, 11:24,25; Acts 4:2, 17:31,32, 23:6, 24:15a,21; Romans 6:5,8, 8:11; 1 Corinthians 15:12,13,16,20,21,23,29,32,35,42,43,52-55; Philippians 3:10,11; Colossians 3:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Timothy 2:18, 4:1; Hebrews 6:2, 11:35; Revelation 20:5b,6; -- All the Holy "Clouds" of Angels, the "reapers", with Him -- Psalms 68:17, 104:3; Isaiah 66:15; Matthew 13:39,49, 16:27, 24:30, 25:31,51, 26:64; Mark 8:38, 13:27; Luke 9:26, 21:27; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 3:13, 4:16-17; Hebrews 1:7; Revelation 1:7, 12:7;

The Second Great Resurrection of the wicked, unjust, damnation, at the end/close of the 1000 years, when Christ Jesus and all of the Saints, then immortal, descend to Earth in New Jerusalem upon the Mount of Olives, and the Great White Throne Judgment takes place; Zechariah 14; Revelation 20; -- John 5:29b; Acts 17:31, 24:15b; Revelation 20:5a;

There are many other verses to consider on resurrection in general, such as Matthew 11:5; Luke 7:22, &c.

Then there are other verses, like these which are related, such as Matthew 8:22; Luke 9:60, &c.


*The Stoning of Paul Notation; Paul was not dead at the stoning:

On the subject of Paul being stoned, and not actually being dead, here are those texts:
Acts 14:19 KJV - And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.​
"Supposing": νομισαντες: 2nd Def, to suppose, deem or think. They merely thought Paul died, but we see by the very next verse, Paul was alive:
Acts 14:20 KJV - Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city: and the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.​
In yet another verse, we see Paul speak again of this incident, but notice, he never mentions that he actually died:
2 Corinthians 11:25 KJV - Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;​
Then considering that 2 Corinthians 12:1-7, we can see that it is not linked, either by the timeframe -- see for instance some indicate Acts 22:17, though I am not particular at this point about that text, &c -- or the content, for notice that Paul speaks of this particular event in the same manner as John the Apostle upon the Isle of Patmos, or as Daniel the Prophet, speaking of "visions" and "revelations" and being "caught up" in them and nothing about being stoned or dying, or any such matter:
2 Corinthians 12:1 KJV - It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.

2 Corinthians 12:2 KJV - I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

2 Corinthians 12:3 KJV - And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; )

2 Corinthians 12:4 KJV - How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

2 Corinthians 12:5 KJV - Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.

2 Corinthians 12:6 KJV - For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.

2 Corinthians 12:7 KJV - And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.​
Let's speak of the Scriptural subject of the Resurrection!
 

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The resurrection of someone like Lazarus in John 11 is simply a dead person brought back to life - who then dies again this "first death" waiting for the 1Thess 4 resurrection of the saints ... the "dead in Christ" as 1Thess 4 says.

But here is "the big deal" in 1Thess 4 and in 1Peter 1:13 the entire focus of the NT saints (and in Matt 22 in Christ's proof of the hope of the saints) -- is the resurrection at the 2nd coming.

Very instructive.

Bob
 
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Sorry, but I do not buy into to whole Jewish Pharisaical view of resurrection as the reanimation of corpses.


So, you thinking of a scene straight from "Thriller?"---What is your non-Jewish view? Are you saying Jesus and the disciples had it wrong--they were Jews. I am curious as to what you think all those versus above are "actually" saying.
 
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So, you thinking of a scene straight from "Thriller?"---What is your non-Jewish view? Are you saying Jesus and the disciples had it wrong--they were Jews. I am curious as to what you think all those versus above are "actually" saying.

That was the view of the Jewish Pharisees….that resurrection would mean the reconstruction and reanimation of corpses. Specifically, the reactivation of distinctively Jewish physical bodies in a future nationalistic kingdom. Paul took great pains (1 Cor. 15) to correct that mistaken notion.
 
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That was the view of the Jewish Pharisees….that resurrection would mean the reconstruction and reanimation of corpses. Specifically, the reactivation of distinctively Jewish physical bodies in a future nationalistic kingdom. Paul took great pains (1 Cor. 15) to correct that mistaken notion.
Perhaps we should look more closely at 1 Corinthians 15, then, as it seems there is misunderstanding there, but first, let us see where else Paul spake of this subject, and obtain an overall construct of the subject from Paul:

Notice Paul:
Acts 13:30 KJV - But God raised him from the dead:

Acts 13:34 KJV - And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

Acts 17:3 KJV - Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Acts 17:18 KJV - Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

Acts 17:31 KJV - Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Acts 17:32 KJV - And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.

Acts 23:6 KJV - But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

Acts 23:8 KJV - For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.

Acts 24:15 KJV - And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Acts 24:21 KJV - Except it be for this one voice, that I cried standing among them, Touching the resurrection of the dead I am called in question by you this day.

Acts 26:23 KJV - That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Romans 1:4 KJV - And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Romans 4:24 KJV - But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Romans 6:5 KJV - For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Romans 6:9 KJV - Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

Romans 7:4 KJV - Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Romans 8:11 KJV - But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Romans 10:9 KJV - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Galatians 1:1 KJV - Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead; )

Ephesians 1:20 KJV - Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Philippians 3:10 KJV - That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

Philippians 3:11 KJV - If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

1 Thessalonians 1:10 KJV - And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 KJV - But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 KJV - For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 KJV - For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV - Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

2 Timothy 2:8 KJV - Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

2 Timothy 2:18 KJV - Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Hebrews 6:2 KJV - Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Hebrews 11:19 KJV - Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Hebrews 11:35 KJV - Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
Does not the Scriptures say of the Resurrection that, they come from their graves, &c, from the very dust of the earth, back unto life?:
John 5:28 KJV - Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Matthew 27:53 KJV - And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Lazarus was in the Grave for 4 days, already decomposing, and yet by the word of God, Jesus, Lazarus was raised, and He came forth from the tomb:
John 11:39 KJV - Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been [dead] four days:
John 11:40 KJV - Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

John 11:41 KJV - Then they took away the stone [from the place] where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up [his] eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

John 11:42 KJV - And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said [it], that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 11:43 KJV - And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

John 11:44 KJV - And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
Though Lazarus would eventually die again, being only raised temporarily, in mortality, he will come forth form his last resting place, wherever his latter grave came to be, in the Great First Resurrection, glorified and [c.] immortal, even as Jesus own, as specified in Romans 6:5. Jesus came forth from the grave/tomb, with a resurrected and glorified body, which still, and will forever in eternity, retain His wounds.

Jesus himself lay in the grave for the specified time, given, and He was also raised from the dead, and came forth from the tomb:
Matthew 28:6 KJV - He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
The difference between Lazarus' resurrection by Jesus, and Jesus own, was that Lazarus' resurrection before the death of Jesus upon the Cross, was that his was temporary, and Jesus' was permanent, being the "better resurrection" - Hebrews 11:35, even as Moses' resurrection was - Romans 5:14, &c.
Revelation 1:18 KJV - I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
In the Resurrections, noted previously, to come of the Just or Saints, it will also be permanent, and be like Jesus own Resurrection - Romans 6:5.

Now, let us consider 1 Corinthians 15, most closely.
 
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The same is spoken all throughout the Scriptures, and therefore, we can see that
the Scriptures do not speak anywhere of immediacy of hellfire, nor
of heavenly abode in one's death, for first the Judgment must take place.
Paul states that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

The spirits of the born again are present with the Lord at death,
though their bodies are on earth.
 
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Paul states that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
No he, Paul, does not, for you have presently misquoted the text, though I assume, unknowingly.

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8

Please also consider the immediate surrounding Context, 2 Corinthians 5:1-21.

Many people simply miss the point of Paul in that verse, and generally misquote it, either in practice or in their heads, and forget what he says elsewhere. Let's consider what Paul does say:

[1] Firstly, the text does not read [as many ofter innocently misquote, either verbally or recite in their head]:

"We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body [IS] to be present with the Lord." 2 Corinthians 5:8

The actual word inbetween "absent from the body" and "to be present with the Lord" is the Greek word "kai" [and] and not "is" as many would [perhaps innocently/ignorantly] imply it to mean. For we see clearly this:

We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8

"2Co 5:8 θαρρουμενG2292 V-PAI-1P δεG1161 CONJ καιG2532 CONJ ευδοκουμενG2106 V-PAI-1P μαλλονG3123 ADV εκδημησαιG1553 V-AAN εκG1537 PREP τουG3588 T-GSN σωματοςG4983 N-GSN καιG2532 CONJ ενδημησαιG1736 V-AAN προςG4314 PREP τονG3588 T-ASM κυριονG2962 N-ASM"

The substitution of the “and” with “is” is entirely too common these days. If the passage did read “is”, it would indicate immediateness, an equals as it were, which would go like this:

To be “absent from the body” IS [=] “to be present with the Lord”, like unto the mathematical equation "2+2 IS [=] 4", or "2 and 2 is 4", therefore, it does not read, "2 is 2 and 4" which makes no logical sense, proving that "is" does not equal "and". So those which read "is" into the text, actually distort what Paul stated. And so it is not what we read at all. What we do read is two individual events separated by time as we shall see. The little Greek word “kai” [and] means all the difference here.

There is much in that little word "and", from Paul, since he is clear that the passage of time in this world still passes, but the dead know it not, and shall awake in the resurrection, and it is "then" that those which died in the Lord shall “be present with the Lord”, as it is said it is “then”, that we "shall ever be with the Lord"... that is, they were not "with" Him [the Lord, Jesus] before, except by hope while we yet lived, even "earnestly desiring" it [2 Corinthians 5:2] and "faith" [2 Corinthians 5:7] in that resurrection...

"Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:17

If we had “immortal souls” that never die, what then is “swallowed up of life”? Nothing. Yet, Paul uses a time word, "then", and when did Paul say this was to be? Notice that Paul in his previous letter to the Corinthians designates the time of the change and reward, which is at "the Last Trunp".

Scripture says that we are "caught up together" [1 Thessalonians 4:17], and that Jesus would come back for us all at once [John 14:1-4]. Not individually as we die, fall into the sleep of death and are so buried in the grave, remaining in the tomb, in the dust of the earth.

Paul knew the Scriptures, even as others:

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Isaiah 26:19

Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. Psalms 50:3

He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Psalms 50:4

Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. Psalms 50:5

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. John 5:25

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, John 5:28​
Paul clearly says:

"Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing." 2 Timothy 4:8

That word “appearing” is the 2nd Advent of Jesus Christ.

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1 Corinthians 15:23

[2] Notice also another very key to this text, which is in 2 Corinthians 5:5,7, speaking about "faith", and “earnest[ness]” that is waiting for the reality of the Resurrection, not of actual "sight" or of obtaining immediately upon one's death.

Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 2 Corinthians 5:5

(For we walk by faith, not by sight) 2 Corinthians 5:7

Paul knew that he would not enter into Heaven, until his resurrection, which would not happen in his own day of dying, but in the Day of the LORD,

That ye be not soon shaken in mind... as that the day of Christ is at hand. 2 Thessalonians 2:2;p

Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2 Thessalonians 2:3

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2 Thessalonians 2:8

Peter says the same in all his Epistles.

[3] Paul will not contradict himself, and also in the light of:

“...the scripture cannot be broken.” John 10:35;p

For Paul knew the Scriptures:

His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Psalms 146:4

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ecclesiastes 9:5

Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Ecclesiastes 9:6

Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. Ecclesiastes 9:10

His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them. Job 14:21

If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath; Job 34:14

All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust. Job 34:15

They shall go down to the bars of the pit, when our rest together is in the dust. Job 17:16

One dieth in his full strength, being wholly at ease and quiet. Job 21:23

And another dieth in the bitterness of his soul, and never eateth with pleasure. Job 21:25

They shall lie down alike in the dust, and the worms shall cover them. Job 21:26

For ye say, Where is the house of the prince? and where are the dwelling places of the wicked? Job 21:28

That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath. Job 21:30

Yet shall he be brought to the grave, and shall remain in the tomb. Job 21:32

The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. Psalms 115:17

Consider what Paul has stated just before our texts, in that he was not desirous to be without clothing for long, “naked”, but looked forward to the time of the new immortal clothing, being “clothed upon” [immortality], which he did not yet actually possess, but would have at the Resurrection. Paul constantly spoke about this:

Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection. Acts 17:18

Notice that he did not preach unto them, Platonic Dualism, which they already knew of, or of the Greek philosophy [Plato, Aristotle, Socrates] and superstitions of entering into Heaven/Hell, as an ethereal ghastial immortal non-entity, as the Greek and Roman 'religions' taught. They already taught that, being the “wisdom of this world”.

"...is the doctrine of spirituality. ... Dualism ... Plato ... Platonic Dualism ... " [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "S", "Soul"] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Soul

"... For positive evidence, however, that the soul will continue after death in the possession of a conscious life, we must appeal to teleology and the consideration of the character of the universe as a whole. ..." [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; "I"; "Immortality"] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Immortality

Yet Paul preached the Resurrection:

But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. Acts 23:6

And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. Acts 24:15

Except it be for this one voice, that I cried standing among them, Touching the resurrection of the dead I am called in question by you this day. Acts 24:21

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Romans 6:5

Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 1 Corinthians 15:12

But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 1 Corinthians 15:13

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 1 Corinthians 15:21

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 1 Corinthians 15:42

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Philippians 3:10

If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Philippians 3:11

Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Hebrews 6:2

Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: Hebrews 11:35

This is even confirmed outside of the Scripture by others, Justin Martyr, Martin Luther, William Tyndale, John Frith, George Wishart, John Milton, General Baptists, Baptist Samuel Richardson, Congregational A.A. Phelps, Millerites, Adventists, Seventh-day Adventists, &c.

Martin Luther and William Tyndale on the State of the Dead.

Heresy

[Wikipedia; "Annihilationism"] - Annihilationism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Wikipedia; "Conditional Immortality"] - Christian conditionalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Wikipedia; "Soul Death"] - Christian mortalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Wikipedia; "Christian Mortalism"] - Christian mortalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Paul knew this, why then don't most Christians? Because the doctrine of the 'immortal soul/spirit' is one of the two main pillars of the doctrines of the devil, for it allows him access to almost anyone on earth through various means of deception. That is why God forbids spiritism.
 
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No he, Paul, does not, for you have presently misquoted the text, though I assume, unknowingly.

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8
Would that not necessarily mean "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."

He says he would prefer to be absent from the body.
Why would he prefer it, if it didn't mean his spirit (not his body) would be present with the Lord,
but instead meant his spirit would not be present with the Lord?

And I appreciate your thorough Scriptural arguments.
 
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You did not quote any Scriptural support for this latter assertion. The first misquotation of Paul, was considered in the previously reply.
Thanks, support for my assertion is likewise in my previous reply to you, post #11.
 
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The OP is very open ended with just the name resurrections. As others have pointed out, it makes no distinction between all previous resurrections and the resurrection at the second coming of Jesus. If it was intentional to lump them together with no edification on the differences, than I would think that to be somewhat misleading. As is, I couldn't tell you what the thrust of the thread is supposed to be on. If Astonishing Doctrine wants to expand the thread to the closely related soul-sleep it would be his call.

Maybe we could get a little more clarification from Astonishing.
 
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If this thread is about the resurrection then why is so much effort being put into soul-sleep & annihilationism in it?
Because the Resurrection, and those doctrines go hand-in-hand. The Resurrection, completely eliminates immortal-soul/spirit theology and 'reward' instantly upon death. Thus from my original statement in regards the Resurrection:
"... The same is spoken all throughout the Scriptures, and therefore, we can see that the Scriptures do not speak anywhere of immediacy of hellfire, nor of heavenly abode in one's death, for first the Judgment must take place. ..." - http://www.christianforums.com/t7850658/#post66599206
And because of this statement, a reply was made by another about Paul's statement of 'absent from the body' and 'present with the Lord'.

The isolated, and I assume unknowingly, misquoted, text was being held up or offered as evidence against my statement. Thus the reply to show that Paul's statement did not agree with the persons quotation of it, nor in the understanding of it/him.

Instead of considering the evidence, most usually go looking for such isolated texts. Yet all such, can only be found to be in harmony with the OP and my statement.

If one desires to ignore the texts and the facts found therein surrounding the Resurrection, and all events and their timing involved, and choose to not see how it is so intimately connected with such things, they are free to not speak about them, but I think they would be at an impossible position to defend Scripturally, any theological stance which is opposed to such.
 
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The OP is very open ended with just the name resurrections. As others have pointed out, it makes no distinction between all previous resurrections and the resurrection at the second coming of Jesus. If it was intentional to lump them together with no edification on the differences, than I would think that to be somewhat misleading. As is, I couldn't tell you what the thrust of the thread is supposed to be on. If Astonishing Doctrine wants to expand the thread to the closely related soul-sleep it would be his call.

Maybe we could get a little more clarification from Astonishing.
Why do you assume that the Resurrection at the "end of the world" is any different from the one which Moses or those around Jerusalem received at Christ's resurrection, or which Christ Jesus received, all of which took place, long before the "end of the world", all of whom were received into Heaven long before?

For instance, the texts were given, Matthew 17:1-12; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36; 2 Peter 1:16; Romans 5:14; Jude 1:9; in that "Moses" is seen in 'glorified' form, "Who appeared in glory" - Luke 9:31, upon the 'mount of transfiguration' with Jesus, for Moses having been previously resurrected by Michael/Jesus/Logos/&c in the Old Testament, and noted in the New Testament texts as already cited.

Further it was cited from Paul's own lips, concerning that "end of the world "resurrection" of the Righteous:
Romans 1:4 KJV - And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Romans 4:24 KJV - But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Romans 6:5 KJV - For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Romans 8:11 KJV - But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Which reveals that the "resurrection" of the Righteous, at the "end of the world", shall be as Jesus' own resurrection was, in which case, it was the Resurrection from the Grave/Tomb, wherein the "Lord lay" - Matthew 28:6, He being "quickened", that is to say, made alive from death.

The others at Jesus own resurrection, Psalms 68:18; Isaiah 26:19; Matthew 27:52,53; Ephesians 4:8, also received a resurrection unto Glory.

The other resurrections, as Lazarus, &c, given outside of those mentioned in this reply, all fell on the sleep of death again, returning to dust -- for is it not stated by others also of 'ashes to ashes' and 'dust to dust' -- being a temporary resurrection, being not unto Glory, but in the Resurrection to come at the "end of the world" they shall come forth from their graves in glory:
1 Corinthians 15:55 KJV - O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
Yet they are all called simply "resurrection" in Scripture, even as Lazarus' is also:
John 11:23 KJV - Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

John 11:24 KJV - Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 11:25 KJV - Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 11:26 KJV - And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 11:40 KJV - Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

John 12:1 KJV - Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

John 12:9 KJV - Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.

John 12:17 KJV - The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.​
 
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Would that not necessarily mean "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."

He says he would prefer to be absent from the body.
Why would he prefer it, if it didn't mean his spirit (not his body) would be present with the Lord,
but instead meant his spirit would not be present with the Lord?

And I appreciate your thorough Scriptural arguments.


And then what do these verses mean? David is not in heaven--any part of him, spiritual or physical--he isn't there----so where is he if he is not present with the Lord??


Act 2:29 Men, brothers, it is permitted to say to you with plainness as to the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is among us until this day.


Act 2:34 For David did not ascend into Heaven, but he says, "The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand
 
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If this thread is about the resurrection then why is so much effort being put into soul-sleep & annihilationism in it?

Because the Resurrection, and those doctrines go hand-in-hand. ...


That does not appear to be the case. The Catholic Church does not endorse either soul sleep or annihilation of souls. The latter doctrine; specifically, annihilation of souls is outside the scope of discussion in this forum.
 
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That does not appear to be the case. The Catholic Church does not endorse either soul sleep or annihilation of souls. The latter doctrine; specifically, annihilation of souls is outside the scope of discussion in this forum.

The Catholic denomination is not the boss.
 
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