Christian couple in Pakistan killed over "blasphemy".

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Are you asking me to give you a rationale that you would consider reasonable?

Do you remember the story in the bible of the flash mob that intended to stone the woman accused of adultery? That stuff still happens. All it takes is an innuendo, a rumor, a bit of malicious gossip. Someone says "I saw...." and that's all it takes to enrage a mob.

But here is an example from a couple of years ago:

BBC News - Pakistan disabled girl arrested for blasphemy

What kind of stupid do you have to be to go after a mentally disabled girl? :mad:

It's hard for me to even blame that on Islam or any branch of Islam in the year 2014. You have to be half mentally disabled yourself to call for the arrest or punishment of a mentally disabled girl for committing blasphemy against some religious text.

That might be different than delivering a mild or severe scolding to the child. That I can see... if for no other reason than to get the child not to offend social mores.
 
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What kind of stupid do you have to be to go after a mentally disabled girl?

It's hard for me to even blame that on Islam or any branch of Islam in the year 2014. You have to be half mentally disabled yourself to call for the arrest or punishment of a mentally disabled girl for committing blasphemy against some religious text.

That might be different than delivering a mild or severe scolding to the child. That I can see... if for no other reason than to get the child not to offend social mores.

I question in either case: Did the alledged crime even happen?

When you have Christians (or any other non-Muslim) in a society in which they know dishonoring the Koran is not only strictly illegal but also subject to extreme mob attack, is it really likely that they would burn the Koran or merely toss it into a wastebasket?
 
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I'm sure there are details we don't have about it. Those Christians have not survived until now by deliberately provoking the Muslims. There might not have been any burning of Koran verses at all--that might have been nothing but a supposition.

This was my first thought.

This is also tragic but completely unsurprising. Lord, have mercy!
 
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In general.

Did you mean punishment instead of replenishment?

The proper punishment for blasphemy is forgiveness. I dislike blasphemy but people will do what they're going to do. Blasphemy usually only really hurts the blasphemer, except in one case. The one issue I have is when people desecrate churches and holy places- they have no right to do anything in such places and should be arrested for those kinds of antics. However, the charges aren't for blasphemy but destruction and vandalism.
 
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Did you mean punishment instead of replenishment?{/quote]

What!? Wait...

LOL

It was supposed to be punishment. Fixed now.

The proper punishment for blasphemy is forgiveness. I dislike blasphemy but people will do what they're going to do. Blasphemy usually only really hurts the blasphemer, except in one case. The one issue I have is when people desecrate churches and holy places- they have no right to do anything in such places and should be arrested for those kinds of antics. However, the charges aren't for blasphemy but destruction and vandalism.

I agree regarding the destruction of church property, not because it is holy but because we have a right to our own property, church or not.

I just thought this was an interesting question. As far as the culture at CF goes, blasphemy is agaisnt the rules and there is a punishment, albeit a very light one as punishments go. It seems that the consensus here at CF is that being burned a live is too harsh but that no punishment at all is too lenient. Is there a middle ground between the two? If so, where is it?
 
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This news story I read is so shocking and evil and disgusting.

Pakistani Christian Couple Burned Alive in Kiln for Torching Quran - NBC News



I'm not shocked that Pakistan is an unstable country, but I had no idea that things as horrible as that happen over there.

Those vile religious extremists are so disgusting and evil-there are no words to describe them. ISIS does horrible things, but the cruel way that the people in Pakistan harmed that Christian couple is so shocking and beyond disgusting, it is beyond words.


Just lookie what's happening in Syria:
ISIS Crucifies 8 Christians in Syria for Apostasy From Islam | sharia unveiled
 
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I just thought this was an interesting question. As far as the culture at CF goes, blasphemy is agaisnt the rules and there is a punishment, albeit a very light one as punishments go. It seems that the consensus here at CF is that being burned a live is too harsh but that no punishment at all is too lenient. Is there a middle ground between the two? If so, where is it?

This forum is private property, and people can determine their own level of tolerance in their own houses. It's not "punishment" to show someone the door if they are rude to the other guests in your house.
 
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You previous statement was:

Originally Posted by Nithavela
Why should they, christians already believe that they should kill witches. Not many of them follow these beliefs, though.​
That was in present tense. If you intended to refer to events of hundreds of years ago, you should have used the past tense.
 
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Darwinism lead to two World Wars "witch" killed a lot more people than the witch trials. Of course there was a lot more to it than just Darwin's theory. The same with witch trials.
(Even today we love to shed innocent blood in the name of " women rights". Pakistan love to shed innocent blood as well. )
 
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This forum is private property, and people can determine their own level of tolerance in their own houses. It's not "punishment" to show someone the door if they are rude to the other guests in your house.


This is true, so this may be a marginal example. However, there was a point in time when the members were allowed to make the rules for CF and there was a great deal of discussion and debate at the time as to whether to make an anti-blasphemy rule. I recall this clearly, as I parked myself in the rules wiki and made a point of deleting the blasphemy rules as they cropped up. LOL So, in the CF culture there was at that time some acceptance of having an anti-blasphemy rule (that had nothing to do with ownership of the site) with punishments attached.

Some states in the U.S. still have old blasphemy rules on the books with fines and jail times attached. In some cases these were enforced into the 20th century. Federal law now clearly prohibits the enforcement of these laws.
 
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You previous statement was:

That was in present tense. If you intended to refer to events of hundreds of years ago, you should have used the past tense.
Oh..for today see my thread witch nearly beheaded in OK
 
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And pagans put even more Christians to death over the years. However- we all know that such isn't a Christian belief- for all that some professing Christians over the years did whatever the heck they wanted to do. That plenty who claim Christ don't follow their faith has been a reality for 2000 years or so now. All this proves is that there are people out there that don't follow their religion. You're disingenuous if you tell me that any church you or I have ever been to has preached that pagans need to be killed. You and I both know that isn't the case.
 
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