What 10 hours of street harassment in NYC looks like

stellalunaCW said:

I know it feels much better to put down this woman, the editor, criticize the city and the neighborhood, tell yourself "yeah, but she..." <shrug> Doesn't change the reality for millions of women.

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Neither does simply saying that men who do this are wrong.

Hey guys; stop creeping out women. If they want your attention, they will initialize contact. Otherwise keep the comments to yourself, and keep the mindset you're just another rando creep on the streets and you don't deserve her attention.

That's respect.

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mpok1519 said:

Hey guys; stop creeping out women. If they want your attention, they will initialize contact. Otherwise keep the comments to yourself, and keep the mindset you're just another rando creep on the streets and you don't deserve her attention.

That's respect.

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That's untrue. Most women from my experience won't initiate anything. The ones who think they do merely "drop hints" which range to nearly imperceptible to completely overt. I've had women tell me that even if they were very interested in a guy they still wouldn't make the first move. In their minds, if he didn't pursue her...he wasn't interested.

stellalunaCW said:

I think men just don't like to think anything they say or do isn't a gift to any woman, any time, anywhere. And I say that as a woman who lives in the city in question and has experienced similar catcalls, repeatedly, in every neighborhood, by every kind of guy.

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Many of the guys do realize that they are not a gift to any woman, anytime, anywhere. To compensate often guys use a "shotgun" approach with women. For example I knew this one guy that would pay attention to every attractive woman he met. Why? Because he knew that the vast majority would say "no". However he claimed if 1-out of-100 said yes, he would consider that to be a success. The end result? I almost always saw him with a beautiful woman on his arm. As you can imagine, this reinforced his methodology. Also other men would ask him how he got with such beautiful woman. He would tell them his technique. Some would copy him. This guy did not have model looks, used a lot of crude language and could use a class or two on proper social interaction and boundaries. That all being said...he would indeed get dates...and ultimately married one of those women he complimented randomly. People always ask, "why do spammers send those junk emails to millions of accounts that obviously don't want such junk?" Well if 1/2 of 1 percent buy the product/or service, the spammer has made a tremendous amount of money. The same with serially pursuing men.

What you can't see are the looks and gestures and body language of the men. What you can't understand is the way comments--even "compliments"--build up over time until they all feel threatening.

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I, like you, am also quite familiar with comments and gestures in New York. From both women and men I have heard the following: "Are you single babe?" "Hi sexy" "Do you have a girlfriend?" "You're hot!" "Want to come to my place!" "Where have you been all of my life!" "Come on...at least give me your number?" "Are you the Second Coming?" "Etc." StellalunaCW, New York City has over 8 million people and is a very sexually aggressive place because people are constantly trying to get the attention of others. Many people are involved with dating services. So many people have multiple partners of same and opposite genders. Several women I know get dates from fetish sites. It is like Sex and the City on steroids. I am sure you have seen drug addicts beg for money while sporting faces of meth. Do most people give them anything? Of course not. But even if a small percentage give...they have enough money for the next few dosages of meth and/or heroin. Once again...the bad behavior is reversed.

I know it feels much better to put down this woman, the editor, criticize the city and the neighborhood, tell yourself "yeah, but she..." <shrug> Doesn't change the reality for millions of women.

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The video could have been done much better. As far as the behavior actually stopping...that is a tough one. People (men) are told to pursue, pursue and pursue. More aggressive people are often the most successful. The crude guy I mentioned earlier found what works for him. He is not likely to change is behavior just because some women don't feel comfortable by his compliments. He really only cares about the women that accept his offer. Very aggressive successful salespeople are rewarded with more money. So they stay aggressive.

Ana the Ist said:

That's untrue. Most women from my experience won't initiate anything. The ones who think they do merely "drop hints" which range to nearly imperceptible to completely overt. I've had women tell me that even if they were very interested in a guy they still wouldn't make the first move. In their minds, if he didn't pursue her...he wasn't interested.

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I would have to say you are correct. Many (most) women will not initiate even if interested. Hence the guy will often do most of the initial asking and have to be very aware of what she is thinking. He has to read body language and vocal nuances in order to minimize the chances of communicating with a woman that is not interested in him. He also has to be aware of the location, social setting, marital status and above all...timing.

SJWs are just eating themselves up over this video.

It sure opened up a whole can of unexpected worms.

nightflight said:

It sure opened up a whole can of unexpected worms.

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That's good because there are many aspects to the video.

OGM said:

That's good because there are many aspects to the video.

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I don't think the makers of the video think it's good.

Maybe white males should be praised for being so evolved.

Ana the Ist said:

That's untrue. Most women from my experience won't initiate anything. The ones who think they do merely "drop hints" which range to nearly imperceptible to completely overt. I've had women tell me that even if they were very interested in a guy they still wouldn't make the first move. In their minds, if he didn't pursue her...he wasn't interested.

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And if the minority of male rapists really do make men such a threat, it would make a lot of sense for women to take on the initiator role in hetero relationships.

I don't see women racing to take that one up though.

Kuraisto said:

Some of the replies here are hardly feel Christlike. Honestly, putting that picture of Roberts up from what I assume is a inappropriate content shoot or similar? Really? You couldn't get your point across any other way?

And the nonsense about political correctness and feminism -- how about you realize that such comments are offensive, inappropriate, and make women feel afraid and vulnerable? Or do you care more about protecting your own "rights" than the well-being of others and their value to society? Is your defending this somehow serving Christ in your mind?

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I like to think women are a little stronger than you seem to think they are. Why should criticism of an idea make someone feel afraid?

If criticism of feminism really does "make women feel afraid and vulnerable" then women surely aren't equal to men.

nightflight said:

I don't think the makers of the video think it's good.

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They should be glad it brought up the points and created discussion.

nightflight said:

Maybe white males should be praised for being so evolved.

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According to the producer of the video...white men also catcalled...but it was not edited in the video due to technical reasons. Go figure!

going to hell, don't care

(trigger warning for mild jiggle physics)

10 hours walking in Skyrim as a woman in skimpy armor - YouTube

Those vile npcs.

I think ThisBrotherOfHis is right about the neighborhood thing.

Gadarene said:

going to hell, don't care

(trigger warning for mild jiggle physics)

10 hours walking in Skyrim as a woman in skimpy armor - YouTube

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Oh, I got a kick out if this video , thanks for posting it. I especially liked the ending of it where the guy says "Have a good evening."

Life must be so much easier for female canines. Those male canines being so gentlemanly like, especially in public. They'd never forcibly mount a female canine in public in front of human apes.

I wonder if there will ever come a day when human female apes express outrage and a feeling of being unsafe when in the presence of male canine because male canines without an ounce of shame lick their own genitals in public? Maybe they will lobby Congress to get male canines banned from most public streets to protect the sensibilities of tough, strong, human female apes.

I should ask some biologists and anthropologists this since they are so adamant that humans are no more than another species of apes, and object so much to religious anthropocentric views.

Funny how anthropocentric feminists become when pushing for "female issues" among human female apes.





On a side note.... if you go back far enough in time Christians used to dress pretty much like some of these Muslim women in some Muslim countries. And give those loose robes, burkas, or whatever they are called... hide the female form underneath them, a young man really has no idea how the woman underneath those things looks. He therefore is forced to admire her mind and personality rather than her body.

So, maybe the Muslims are on to something. When I was in the UAE I didn't see any Muslim Arab men "cat calling" the Arab Muslim women--and about 99% of those Muslim women where covered in those black, loose robes, with their heads covered. Some even had their faces covered.

Come to think of it... I did try to "rap" to a few of those Arab Muslim women who had their faces revealed. I recall them looking at us like we came from another planet (not sure if it was our short haircuts or our overall demeanor including "approaching" women on the streets). I remember the Arab Muslim men generally had a disapproving look in their eyes.

Try being locked up on a ship at sea for months. Not sure that's a natural environment for a human ape.

Those Arab Muslims have some pretty women though.