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Matt. 10:8
8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

I am wondering if I can have opinions on Matt. 10:8 , the bit about raising the dead.
I have been told only to try this if led by the Holy Spirit, but it occurs in the same scripture as healing the sick and we are not told to wait to be led to pray for the sick.
So do we do this or not?

I feel the church is missing something here . We go to funerals of those who die but , are we meant to do more? I have not heard of anyone following this command , it seems like we think it is too hard.
 

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Jesus said several times in John that He only did what the Father showed Him. We as well should only do what the Spirit shows us, for the Spirit takes from the Father and reveals it to us. We should only do what the Spirit shows us, nothing more, this includes healing the sick.

As far as the funeral thing, you need to be careful with that. If you just stand up and shout In the name of Jesus get up and nothing happens that could set off a whole bunch of reactions that aren't good. Not that its our fault if we do as the Spirit leads, but many times we get so convinced the Spirit is leading us and he is not. Only those who have an intimate walk with the Spirit will know in such a high pressure situation if they are being told to act or to chill.
 
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Matt. 10:8
8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

I am wondering if I can have opinions on Matt. 10:8 , the bit about raising the dead.
I have been told only to try this if led by the Holy Spirit, but it occurs in the same scripture as healing the sick and we are not told to wait to be led to pray for the sick.
So do we do this or not?

I feel the church is missing something here . We go to funerals of those who die but , are we meant to do more? I have not heard of anyone following this command , it seems like we think it is too hard.

"Jesus sent out the twelve apostles with these instructions....."
 
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So again by your logic no scripture applies to us. Ephesians was written to the church in Ephesus. Timothy was written to Timothy... I mean where do you draw the line? Smith Wigglesworth raised people from the dead, I'm pretty sure he wasn't one of the twelve.
 
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So again by your logic no scripture applies to us. Ephesians was written to the church in Ephesus. Timothy was written to Timothy... I mean where do you draw the line? Smith Wigglesworth raised people from the dead, I'm pretty sure he wasn't one of the twelve.

My logic? I am simply posting scripture that specifies who those instructions were given to. If you can logically get around that, then I would have to question your "logic".

Smith Wigglesworth raised people from the dead, eh? Really?
 
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My logic? I am simply posting scripture that specifies who those instructions were given to. If you can logically get around that, then I would have to question your "logic".

Smith Wigglesworth raised people from the dead, eh? Really?

Yuppers, he sure did. On more than one occasion and it was documented that he did so. Here is a video of one such encounter being retold:

Kenneth Copeland retells Smith Wigglesworth raising a man from the dead - YouTube

I know it's Kenneth Copeland telling it, but that doesn't make the story false.
 
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Yuppers, he sure did. On more than one occasion and it was documented that he did so. Here is a video of one such encounter being retold:

I know it's Kenneth Copeland telling it, but that doesn't make the story false.

Well, there ya go, there's the 'documentation', it must be true then. :doh:
 
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Well, there ya go, there's the 'documentation', it must be true then. :doh:

You don't have to believe it. So funny how when some in the church are confronted with facts that contradict their doctrines or beliefs, it is INSTANTLY the facts that are wrong, not their own view of theology or whatever. God bless!
 
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Ummmm, you do know that is scripture, right? Matthew 10:5 is very specific about who those instructions were given to.
I agree with you in that the authority in Matthew 10:8 was only given to a select few for a specific purpose and a specific time. If we were to consider that this authority was intended for all time then as we would also have to apply verse 9 where the authority that the Twelve were given was intended solely to the Jews and not the Gentiles.

The passage has absolutely no bearing on the New Testament and if it did then we can probably all call ourselves failures and unbelievers.
 
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When viewed in connection with other scriptures of similar nature, its not hard to see how Matthew 10:8 does indeed apply to those who are called.

John 14:12 is perhaps the most compelling of those.

John 14:12 ESV
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.

The authority was first spoken to the Apostles, but it is intended for all who believe. The question is, do you believe you can? If not, then of course it won't apply to you. Such power belongs only to those who forsake all for Christ.
 
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Facts? LOL.

Yup, just because you have to see something to believe it makes such a thing no less a fact. ;) Wigglesworth did raise people from the dead so the facts on the topic say Matthew 10:8 can and does apply to more than just the 12.
 
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Matt. 10:8
8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

I am wondering if I can have opinions on Matt. 10:8 , the bit about raising the dead.
I have been told only to try this if led by the Holy Spirit, but it occurs in the same scripture as healing the sick and we are not told to wait to be led to pray for the sick.
So do we do this or not?

I feel the church is missing something here . We go to funerals of those who die but , are we meant to do more? I have not heard of anyone following this command , it seems like we think it is too hard.


this is daily occurrence in and for the world, vs in and of Yhvh's people.

it is too hard, like the sons of sveva tried, for the fleshly to cast out demons or heal the sick.

even for the disciples, they were surprised how EASY it was and they rejoiced greatly... because it had been so rare and impossible in their lives before.

today it is still very rare and impossible, especially in countries where people have dwellings with their own bathrooms , and motor vehicles..... the more a person/people have in worldly possessions, well... see what Jesus said ....
(and do not trust any man.... seek Jesus and trust God alone)
 
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When viewed in connection with other scriptures of similar nature, its not hard to see how Matthew 10:8 does indeed apply to those who are called.

John 14:12 is perhaps the most compelling of those.

John 14:12 ESV
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.

The authority was first spoken to the Apostles, but it is intended for all who believe. The question is, do you believe you can? If not, then of course it won't apply to you. Such power belongs only to those who forsake all for Christ.
As far as I can tell, I seem to be the only person on this particular forum who talks about the 8 Congregational Offices which include the vitally important Offices of Powers and Healings and also where I desire to see these two Offices to be regularly encountered within our local congregations.

1 Cor 12:28 “And in the church God has appointed…”
• Apostle
• Prophet
• Teacher
• Powers
• Healings
• Administrations
• Helps
• Tongues​

As for Matt 10, what a wonderful chapter and I would love to see the exploits of the Twelve being seen on a daily basis in our congregations, though I would hope that they would not be limited to the Jews or maybe the provisions of God are meant for the Jews and not the Gentiles. Maybe we can start a new denomination that says that God’s healing power is intended for the Jews only as Matt 10 strictly forbids the Twelve (and maybe us) from showing Gods love and power to the Gentiles.

We could also go down to the various fishing spots and command all the boat owners to throw their nets over the side and pull up a full load of fish; are we to say that any Christian fisherman who goes out for a days fishing and who comes back with nothing or maybe only a fish or two that they are lacking in faith – where will it stop.

What many (probably most) people often miss is that the Twelve in Matt 10 were given specific authority and not power to perform a task which was to reveal (or maybe announce) the Kingdom of God to the people of Israel. As far as I can tell, unlike healing in the New Covenant, I’m not even sure if they were doing this under the power of the Holy Spirit as the authority that these individuals were given may have been empowered through the Father or maybe the authority of Jesus’s words themselves. Unlike the Twelve, we operate not within any specific authority but in Power through the Manifestations of the Holy Spirit which was something that the Twelve were still to obtain.

It’s one thing to speak of individuals such as the renowned Smith Wigglesworth but when I was reading an account by Alexander Body who was the leader of the British Pentecostal/charismatic movement in the twenties, he made mention that during a week’s crusade that he jointly held with Wigglesworth that Smith was unable to display any of the power of the Spirit’; so even Smith himself had those dry times. When I find the book (it’s somewhere in my library) I will be able to provide some more details.
 
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Does anyone know how many people were raised from the dead in the bible and what the verses are that pertain to this?

I think this would be an interesting bible study topic and I wouldn't mind looking in to it more in this thread unless the OP minds, then I will start a new thread.

No problem, would be interesting
 
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Whatfor - Hi, haven't seen you in awhile.

Agree with post #2. A loud display during a funeral wouldn't be necessary.

Hi tturt, been away from here for while, think you know why.

I agree a loud display at a funeral would not be nessesary.
I spoke to my pastor about it today, will see what happens but I am feeling led to do this but maybe God is testing me to see if I would be obedient.
 
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