Did Jesus come as God or as a human being?

Optimus_P · Feb 28, 2002

its not fair to only have 2 poor choices.

popular vote demands a 3rd option. So lets help them out here and give them that 3rd option.

I vote #3. 100% man 100% God. Just as it is written.

Btw ed dont you think that just after comming back from the ban you would have thought of a diffearnt subject to talk on? This one is kinda beating the dead horse dont ya think?

ZoneChaos · Feb 28, 2002

Originally posted by edpobre

Hi ZoneChaos,

Thank you for being considerate. That's what I like in KT now CF. They are a bunch of fair and considerate guys much like the people at Christiansareus. You should try posting there too.

Ed

no prob, ed.. jus' keepin' it real...

VOW · Feb 28, 2002

Originally posted by Wildfire
Well Jesus told the disciples many times that he was not of this world; and then days after he died, he appeared several times; talking with them in the streets of Jerusalem in a form that they did not recognize, and also on the shore when Peter & Thomas were fishing. And we are told that Jesus showed them many other things, that could not even be contained in a book, if they were written.

Are you saying that after the Resurrection, He was no longer human?

One of the things that Jesus did specifically after the Resurrection was to eat with the Disciples. He also showed His pierced body to Thomas. (Luke 24: 40-43)

Peace be with you,
~VOW

LouisBooth · Feb 28, 2002

both according to the bible.

VeraciousMaven · Feb 28, 2002

John 10:30:
"I and the Father are one."

Take that in account with Jesus obviously being a man too, and our option 3 is valid!

Irwin Hawkins · Mar 1, 2002

Gotta be #3!

With the love of Jesus Christ.

Squall · Mar 1, 2002

[GLOW=darkblue]Jesus came into the world as both God and human being.[/GLOW]

Kristen · Mar 1, 2002

[SHADOW=orangered]There you go Squall!!![/SHADOW]

edpobre · Mar 2, 2002

Originally posted by Optimus_P
its not fair to only have 2 poor choices.

popular vote demands a 3rd option. So lets help them out here and give them that 3rd option.

I vote #3. 100% man 100% God. Just as it is written.

Btw ed dont you think that just after comming back from the ban you would have thought of a diffearnt subject to talk on? This one is kinda beating the dead horse dont ya think?

The topic doesn't have anything to do with my having been temporarily banned. The ChristianForum is growing and more people are encountering these topics for the first time. If anyone considers this topic as a dead horse, I suggest that they go elsewhere since there are other topics to reply to.

BTW Optimus-P, you say these are "2 POOR choices." Don't you realize that one of them is BIBLICAL while the other AND the no. 3 option are NOT?

Ed

edpobre · Mar 2, 2002

Originally posted by LouisBooth
both according to the bible.

LouisBooth,

Which Bible?

My Today's English Version (TEV) says: "...anyone who acknowledges that Jesus Christ CAME as a HUMAN BEING has the spirit who comes from God. But anyone who DENIES this about Jesus does NOT have the spirit of God. The spirit that he has is from the Enemy of God..." (1 John 4:2-3).

Ed

Wearynot · Mar 3, 2002

Ed says:

My Today's English Version (TEV) says: "...anyone who acknowledges that Jesus Christ CAME as a HUMAN BEING has the spirit who comes from God. But anyone who DENIES this about Jesus does NOT have the spirit of God. The spirit that he has is from the Enemy of God..." (1 John 4:2-3).

NASB

1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; 3. and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

KJV

1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Darby

1 John 4:2
Hereby ye know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses Jesus Christ come in flesh is of God; 3. and every spirit which does not confess Jesus Christ come in flesh is not of God: and this is that [power] of the antichrist, [of] which ye have heard that it comes, and now it is already in the world.

Young's Literal

1 John 4:2
in this know ye the Spirit of God; every spirit that doth confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is, 3. and every spirit that doth not confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is not; and this is that of the antichrist, which ye heard that it doth come, and now in the world it is already.

RSV

1 John 4
2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3. but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

I can't even find a TEV. Gimme a link, please.

PrinceJeff · Mar 3, 2002

Don't trust anything from Ed, a noted heretic.

Wearynot · Mar 3, 2002

Ed and I have been debating for over a year. I always get the impression he dislikes me for some reason.

I wouldn't call Ed a heretic, (although he is one) rather, I would say that he is blinded by the cult to which he belongs and I pray for his eyes to be opened to the truth. Or, the Truth, as it were.

Wearynot · Mar 3, 2002

"John 10:33
The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."

He said it. I believe it.

edpobre · Mar 3, 2002

Originally posted by Wearynot
"John 10:33
The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."

He said it. I believe it.

Wearynot,

Firstly, I would like you to know that I don't dislike you nor anybody else for any reason.

Secondly, the phrase "Jesus CAME in the flesh" is the SAME as the phrase "Jesus CAME as a human being." In Gen. 6:3, God said that MAN is flesh. Thus, both phrases mean that "Jesus CAME as a MAN" which conforms with what the Bible teaches about Jesus.

Now, regarding John 10:33, please note that "blasphemy" is a charge leveled at a MAN who claims the attributes of a DEITY or a MAN who maks himself God or equal to God.

The Pharisees rightly believed the Jesus was a MAN. But because the Pharisees desperately wanted to get rid of him, they charged him with the crime of "blasphemy" which, at that time, carried the death penalty.

Thus, in John 5:18, they sought to kill him because he said God was his Father. The Pharisees WRONGLY thoughti that he was making himself equal to God by saying that God is his Father.

Again, in John 10:33, the Pharisees WRONGLY accused Jesus of "blasphemy" by making himself God because he said he is the son of God (John 10:36).

Ed

ZoneChaos · Mar 3, 2002

Or, they were right in thinking He was saying He God.

Wearynot · Mar 4, 2002

Now, regarding John 10:33, please note that "blasphemy" is a charge leveled at a MAN who claims the attributes of a DEITY or a MAN who maks himself God or equal to God.

Well there ya go! Now that wasn't so hard was it? Jes' kiddin' ya, Ed. Seriously, that is exactly what was happening, they were levelling charges of blasphemy at a man who was claiming to be God. And it follows, since we know that Jesus does not lie, that Jesus was, in fact, God.

This really isn't that difficult, Ed.

jrmorganjr · Mar 4, 2002

Ed,

What worldview are you backing into, by stating that Jesus isn't divine? Some offshoot of the gnosticism against which John was making the remarks you quoted?

If he is not divine, how would he have the power to save us from our sins? If we were to concede you your point, where would you go with it?

I just want to see what kind of fruit you're trying to grow, friend. :wave:

edpobre · Mar 8, 2002

Originally posted by Wearynot

Well there ya go! Now that wasn't so hard was it? Jes' kiddin' ya, Ed. Seriously, that is exactly what was happening, they were levelling charges of blasphemy at a man who was claiming to be God. And it follows, since we know that Jesus does not lie, that Jesus was, in fact, God.

This really isn't that difficult, Ed.

Wearynot,

Do you really THINK (like the Pharisees) that Jesus was CLAIMING to be God by saying, "I am the SON of God?"

Tsk!Tsk! Tsk!

Ed

Wearynot · Mar 8, 2002

Do not do me the discourtesy of inferring I am a Pharisee. I have never, in my year or so of debating you, resorted to ad hom. Let us not start now.

Now, to answer your question. "Do you really THINK (rudeness edited out) that Jesus was CLAIMING to be God by saying, "I am the SON of God?"

I dunno, lessee..."John 10:33
The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."

Ed's version: John 10:33
The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be the son ofGod."

Choices, choices...do I believe John, the apostle who was beloved of Jesus, and WAS THERE? Or do I believe ed, who trying to read Scripture with that caul over his eyes?

Whaddya think, ed?

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