God used Evolution to create man

Artemis97 said:

This is the first sentence you've written regarding Genesis that actually makes sense. Of course on its own it is contrary to what you meant, but you vigorously support creationist quote mining and believe that when they rip something out of context and convolute its intentions as they did with Colin Patterson, it's still true. You must be fine with others doing the same to you if you defend and uphold the practice. So.........I'm glad you finally understand that the creation story is a fable!

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I have no problem with atheists believing the great lie of evolution. The lie Satan has spawned to lead God's created, image of Himself away from the truth. Atheists are still blind to the truth.

However, people who claim to be Christian, and follow the belief of evolution contradict the words of Christ himself....

Matthew 19:4-5King James Version (KJV)

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?


As well as other scripture....




1 Corinthians 11:8-9King James Version (KJV)

8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.


1 Corinthians 15:22King James Version (KJV)

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.





1 Timothy 2:13-14King James Version (KJV)

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.


Atheists know the ramifications of denying the truth of Adam and Eve as was stated in The American Atheist....


"Destroy Adam and Eve and original sin, and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the Son of God and take away the meaning of his death."





Meanwhile, Michael Denton PhD and agnostic, by the way, wrote in his book that



"Darwinism has been so thoroughly discredited that it ought to be discarded."


Wolfgang Smith, a professor of mathematics, stated,
The theory is "a metaphysical myth" and is "totally bereft of scientific sanction."



Yet, Christians, believers in the gospel and the saving grace of Christ......they discount Christ's biggest miracle....the creation of the universe and everything in it, in six days.

Meanwhile, Michael Denton PhD and agnostic, by the way, wrote in his book that

"Darwinism has been so thoroughly discredited that it ought to be discarded."

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Well, France Collins PhD and an evangelical Christian, by the way, wrote

“There are many subtle variants of theistic evolution, but a typical version rests upon the following premises: The universe came into being out of nothingness, approximately 14 billion years ago. Despite massive improbabilities, the properties of the universe appear to have been precisely tuned for life. While the precise mechanism of the origin of life on earth remains unknown, once life arose, the process of evolution and natural selection permitted the development of biological diversity and complexity over very long periods of time. Once evolution got under way, no special supernatural intervention was required. Humans are part of this process, sharing a common ancestor with the great apes. But humans are also unique in ways that defy evolutionary explanation and point to our spiritual nature. This includes the existence of the Moral Law (the knowledge of right and wrong) and the search for God that characterizes all human cultures throughout history.”

Wolfgang Smith, a professor of mathematics, stated,
The theory is "a metaphysical myth" and is "totally bereft of scientific sanction."

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Why do you feel his expertise at mathematics makes his opinion on a completely unrelated field worth anything? Do you think he's an expert at plumbing, too?

JacksBratt said:

I have no problem with atheists believing the great lie of evolution. The lie Satan has spawned to lead God's created, image of Himself away from the truth. Atheists are still blind to the truth.

However, people who claim to be Christian, and follow the belief of evolution contradict the words of Christ himself....

Matthew 19:4-5King James Version (KJV)

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?


As well as other scripture....




1 Corinthians 11:8-9King James Version (KJV)

8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.


1 Corinthians 15:22King James Version (KJV)

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.





1 Timothy 2:13-14King James Version (KJV)

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.


Atheists know the ramifications of denying the truth of Adam and Eve as was stated in The American Atheist....


"Destroy Adam and Eve and original sin, and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the Son of God and take away the meaning of his death."





Meanwhile, Michael Denton PhD and agnostic, by the way, wrote in his book that



"Darwinism has been so thoroughly discredited that it ought to be discarded."


Wolfgang Smith, a professor of mathematics, stated,
The theory is "a metaphysical myth" and is "totally bereft of scientific sanction."



Yet, Christians, believers in the gospel and the saving grace of Christ......they discount Christ's biggest miracle....the creation of the universe and everything in it, in six days.

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None of the verses you quote preclude evolution as the means of creating mankind.

JacksBratt said:

Yet, Christians, believers in the gospel and the saving grace of Christ......they discount Christ's biggest miracle....the creation of the universe and everything in it, in six days.

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I see no problem reconciling your scripture quotes with theistic evolution, so what if the "6 day" timeline is just a metaphor?

madaz said:

I see no problem reconciling your scripture quotes with theistic evolution, so what if the "6 day" timeline is just a metaphor?

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In Hebrew writing, the word day coupled with a "morning" and "evening" means a 24 hour, actual day.

Also Genesis is not written in a metaphoric way or poetic way but written as historical.

EternalDragon said:

In Hebrew writing, the word day coupled with a "morning" and "evening" means a 24 hour, actual day.

Also Genesis is not written in a metaphoric way or poetic way but written as historical.

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Then explain how you can have 4 days before the Sun is even created?

JacksBratt said:

I have no problem with atheists believing the great lie of evolution. The lie Satan has spawned to lead God's created, image of Himself away from the truth. Atheists are still blind to the truth.

However, people who claim to be Christian, and follow the belief of evolution contradict the words of Christ himself....

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You must have a claw in your paw about millions of Christians around the world, then.

None of the verses you've posted indicate that Jesus believes Genesis should be interpreted as you do. None of them present the conflict between the Bible and modern science that you and your ilk have unnecessarily perpetrated to the detriment of God's greatest creation - the human mind, which is meant to have the vitality of curiosity and to be exercised with the pursuit of knowledge. That conflict is a fallacy created by reading the Bible in a manner that goes beyond literal to the presumption that there is only one correct way to interpret the texts. Your narrow interpretation forms a sieve that strains out the marrow of Genesis.

Your habit of quote mining further demonstrates that you place more of an emphasis on the literalism of words than the intentions of their meaning. Creationist sites perpetually butcher texts, unethically severing all needed context to understand what was fully said, why, and what the speaker / writer actually meant. It's so disrespectful and tacky. Lazy creationists on here just copy and paste quotes from those sites without making any honest attempt to verify their authenticity. It's chopping up the whole truth into processed nuggets. Maybe what those men meant is reflected by what you quoted of them, but since you've proven to be an untrustworthy source of information in the past I'm not going to just accept these quotes at face value now or in the future.

justlookinla said:

The ONLY driving mechanism...Darwinism?

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Are you going to answer my question from post #363?

Maybe what those men meant is reflected by what you quoted of them, but since you've proven to be an untrustworthy source of information in the past I'm not going to just accept these quotes at face value now or in the future.

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I looked them up. Denton is what he says, though his book and work drew tons of criticism. Still don't see why a mathmatician's opinion on biology should have much weight, though.

madaz said:

Then explain how you can have 4 days before the Sun is even created?

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We've gone over this before. Genesis 1:3 states a light source. The earth was rotating. Hence a 24 hour day. One complete rotation of the earth.

Even with the absence of the sun, the earth rotating with respect to the stars is still almost a 24 hour period. The sun is not required for a 24 hour earth day.

Earth's rotation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

EternalDragon said:

Even with the absence of the sun, the earth rotating with respect to the stars is still almost a 24 hour period. The sun is not required for a 24 hour earth day.

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EternalDragon said:

In Hebrew writing, the word day coupled with a "morning" and "evening" means a 24 hour, actual day.

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But the sun is required, to have "morning" and "evening".

EternalDragon said:

We've gone over this before. Genesis 1:3 states a light source. The earth was rotating. Hence a 24 hour day. One complete rotation of the earth.

Even with the absence of the sun, the earth rotating with respect to the stars is still almost a 24 hour period. The sun is not required for a 24 hour earth day.

Earth's rotation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Umm, what stars?

KJV Genesis 1 said:

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

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madaz said:

But the sun is required, to have "morning" and "evening".

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No, it is not. A light source is required.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

EternalDragon said:

No, it is not. A light source is required.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

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1. What is this light source?

EternalDragon said:

Even with the absence of the sun, the earth rotating with respect to the stars is still almost a 24 hour period. The sun is not required for a 24 hour earth day.

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2. Stars? It says there were no stars until the 4th day.

So earth rotating with respect to......what.......gives you your 15 degrees per hour?

3. What forces were rotating Earth in 24 hour cycles in the beginning?

EternalDragon said:

I don't recall identifying myself as a YEC.

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4. If Earth was rotating in 24 hour cycles in the beginning as you asserted, and we know it is slowing down, wouldn't the cycles be hours longer by now?

EternalDragon said:

We've gone over this before.

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Not with me, in fact, until I joined CF, I didn't realize there were any Genesis believers still in existence.

madaz said:

Then explain how you can have 4 days before the Sun is even created?

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How about you explain how you can have 9 billion years before the Sun is even formed?

madaz said:

But the sun is required, to have "morning" and "evening".

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No, it isn't.

Light is.

And Shekinah light can do the job.

madaz said:

Not with me, in fact, until I joined CF, I didn't realize there were any Genesis believers still in existence.

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Not to mention Exodus → Revelation?

Genesis is only 1/66 of your quandary, I take it?

AV1611VET said:

How about you explain how you can have 9 billion years before the Sun is even formed?

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Why am I accountable for your claims?

AV1611VET said:

No, it isn't.

Light is.

And Shekinah light can do the job.

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You're a bit slow, I believe ED beat you to this AV.