Ministers threatened with jail and thousands in fines for refusing to marry gays

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Point taken. Not a perfect analogy, but one worth thinking about in the context of legal prostitution. Should a prostitute be allowed to discriminate against customers based on their gender?

I think that's pretty much his legal right.
 
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If a girl works at a kissing booth at the county fair, would she have to kiss another girl?

Would she raise a religious objection to doing so?
 
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Point taken. Not a perfect analogy, but one worth thinking about in the context of legal prostitution. Should a prostitute be allowed to discriminate against customers based on their gender?

Should a religious prostitute be allowed to decline servicing homosexuals?
 
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I would think a religious prostitute has other issues to consider.


As an "ordained minister" just what would those issues be? Is it that she does what she does and calls herself a "religious prostitute?" More of those "in-name-only" titles in use. As I'm sure you know, our Father uses adultery/prostitution, etc. as an example of what happens in His church.

Jeremiah 23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.​


These so-called "prophets" teach but in doing so they turn truth to a lie while being so holy. They strengthen the evil side and oddly, here it is connected to Sodom and Gomorrah which I believe can be applied to this present discussion. Wickedness, horrible thing, adultery, lies, evildoers....all related to those that come saying, I am Christ/ian.


Luke 21:8 And He said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in My name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.​
 
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Originally Posted by TLK Valentine View Post
I doubt Jesus would preach such disdain for his fellow man. Certainly not the Jesus who said:

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

YeShallTread - Your use of the above verse shows disdain for His Word if you are using it in relation to homosexual marriages.

TLK Valentine - Explain.


If you are relating the above verse [John 13:34] where Jesus commands us to love one another with paving the way, condoning, taking part in, standing by and allowing to happen homosexual marriages then...that TLK is disdain for His Word. It is using His name in vain! It is using Jesus Christ [His name] in vain - worthlessly, lying!


Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain.

Psalm 139:20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.


Loving others doesn't mean we let them stay on the road to hell. It means we teach truth which many times is taught by example...how we live, what we say and what we do. That is loving others as He loved us. Would He officiate at a marriage of homosexuals? :doh:
 
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Interestingly, I just went to FaceBook and saw a quote from Phil Robertson:


"Our culture has accepted two huge lies." The first is that if you disagree with someone's lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don't have to compromise convictions to be compassionate."​


Perfect timing for this thread.
 
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Interestingly, I just went to FaceBook and saw a quote from Phil Robertson:


"Our culture has accepted two huge lies." The first is that if you disagree with someone's lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don't have to compromise convictions to be compassionate."​


Perfect timing for this thread.
Great quote - thanks!
 
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Interestingly, I just went to FaceBook and saw a quote from Phil Robertson:

"Our culture has accepted two huge lies." The first is that if you disagree with someone's lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don't have to compromise convictions to be compassionate."​
Perfect timing for this thread.

Another lie that many people have accepted is that being homosexual is a lifestyle. This also is nonsense. Sadly it doesn't stop many people believing it...
 
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Another lie that many people have accepted is that being homosexual is a lifestyle. This also is nonsense. Sadly it doesn't stop many people believing it...
Not sure I follow your logic, David, given the definition of lifestyle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyle_(sociology)
A lifestyle typically reflects an individual's attitudes, values or world view. Therefore, a lifestyle is a means of forging a sense of self and to create cultural symbols that resonate with personal identity. Not all aspects of a lifestyle are voluntary. Surrounding social and technical systems can constrain the lifestyle choices available to the individual and the symbols she/he is able to project to others and the self.​
Any chance you meant choice instead?
 
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Not sure I follow your logic, David, given the definition of lifestyle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyle_(sociology)
A lifestyle typically reflects an individual's attitudes, values or world view. Therefore, a lifestyle is a means of forging a sense of self and to create cultural symbols that resonate with personal identity. Not all aspects of a lifestyle are voluntary. Surrounding social and technical systems can constrain the lifestyle choices available to the individual and the symbols she/he is able to project to others and the self.​
Any chance you meant choice instead?

No, I meant lifestyle. As in the much used - and nonsensical - phrase, "the homosexual lifestyle."
 
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I think if I were a Christian, I would be asking myself if creating a for-profit company out of the holy sacrament of marriage might be running afoul of some of Jesus's teachings regarding mixing business with holy events.
 
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I think if I were a Christian, I would be asking myself if creating a for-profit company out of the holy sacrament of marriage might be running afoul of some of Jesus's teachings regarding mixing business with holy events.


If they can get around the direct commands against usury and interest do you really think marriage would be an issue? :p
 
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Considering that anyone can become ordained over the internet for the right price, and the "ministers" run a for-profit marriage factory. I doubt their religious conviction for protesting the marriage. I'd "defrock" them for running their business if I had the power personally. Their business is an insult to my faith.
 
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Considering that anyone can become ordained over the internet for the right price, and the "ministers" run a for-profit marriage factory. I doubt their religious conviction for protesting the marriage. I'd "defrock" them for running their business if I had the power personally. Their business is an insult to my faith.

Your position makes sense to me.
 
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