Any of you ever read Isaiah 13:1-20

Isaiah 13 talks about Babylon, the ancient city destroyed and never rebuilt. But Babylon is used prophetically as a type for any nation that is godless. Therefore we await verses 1-16, that have not yet been fulfilled. They refer to the day of the Lord, the Sixth Seal event and what happens then, is not a rapture to heaven, but the redemption and restoration of the Lord's righteous people. Their gathering and settling into all of the holy Land, in preparation for the glorious Return of Jesus, to come years later.
Raise a standard– call to assemble in Israel

Isaiah 13:1-8 Babylon- an oracle. [Prophecy against foreign nations]
Raise a flag, sound the call to battle. I have commanded My holy ones to carry out My judgement, all My troops, eager for the victory. Listen to the noise of their gathering, they come, prepared with the weapons of the Lord’s wrath. Wail, for the Day of the Lord is near, devastation from the Almighty. Because of this, all courage will melt away and terror and fear will grip everyone. Joel 2:1-11, Isaiah 24:1
Isaiah 13:9-16 The Day of the Lord is coming, that cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger, to reduce the earth to desolation and to destroy all the wicked there. The sun, moon and stars will be darkened when God punishes the world for its sins. The heavens will tremble and the earth will be shaken to its foundations.
Humans will be scarcer that gold, at the wrath of God and the Lamb, on that Day of their blazing anger. Like sheep with no shepherd, people will rush back to their native lands, those who are caught will be killed. Isaiah 66:15-16

Isaiah 13:17-22 [Fulfilled prophecy - Ancient Babylon was destroyed by the Medes, it has never been rebuilt as an inhabited city. Isaiah chapter 47]

Isaiah 29:20-23 The arrogant and ruthless will be no more, therefore the Lord says: This is no time for Jacob [Israel] to be shamed, for his descendants will regard Israel’s God with awe and will praise Him for their deliverance. Habakkuk 3:12-14
Isaiah 11:11-16 On that Day, the Lord will exert His power a second time, to recover the remnant of His people from all parts of the world, He will hoist a standard for the nations. The scattered people of Judah and Ephraim will assemble and the ancient hostility between them, will cease. They will take over the area that was promised to Abraham. The Lord will make a road for them to travel into the Land, as He did for the ancient Israelites. Isaiah 49:8-13, Revelation 18:4
[The Lord’s people, righteous Israel, are gathered and settled into the Land]
Isaiah 12:1-6 On the day of our deliverance, we will say: We praise You, Lord. You were angry with us, now Your anger has abated and you comfort us. God is our deliverer, our refuge and defence. On that day, we will say with joy: Give thanks to God, make known what He has done among the peoples. Cry out, you dwellers in Zion, for the Holy one of Israel is among you in His majesty. Not His physical return, as yet. Psalm 100:1-5
The glory of God will reside in the 3rd Temple, His people will rejoice and praise Him. Eze. 43:4
Reference REB,NIV. Some verses abridged.

Isaiah 13:1-16 is about the coming Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. This is the next prophesied event, which will clear the entire Middle East area, enabling Greater Israel to be resettled by the Lord’s righteous people. Verse 10 says how it will be dark on that Day – this will be caused by the smoke and ash clouds resulting from a massive coronal mass ejection from the sun. Isaiah 30:26-28, Jeremiah 30:23-24, Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 66:15-16, Ezekiel 20:46-48, Revelation 6:12-17.
THEN, His righteous people, have the wonderful promises of redemption and restoration. They will live in peace and security in all that area promised to Abraham. That all this will take place before Jesus returns, is evident by the way His people gather- not by the angels, as in Matthew 24:31 – but by travelling along ‘a highway’, by every conveyance. Isaiah 66:20. Also how the Lord gives them a sign and motivates them to move to New Israel. Beulah: Isaiah 62:1-5

keras said:

Isaiah 13 talks about Babylon, the ancient city destroyed and never rebuilt. But Babylon is used prophetically as a type for any nation that is godless. Therefore we await verses 1-16, that have not yet been fulfilled.

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They have absolutely been fulfilled.
The Destruction of ancient Babylon by the Medes was a "Day of the Lord" event.

There have been several "Day of the Lord" events in History.

The language of universal cataclysm is used to describe the fall of a nation.

That is how the prophets discuss judgement upon individual nations.

random person said:

What do you all think of the apocalyptic language pronounced against Babylon foretelling their judgment at the hands of the Medes?

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Makes perfect sense. Medes (Russia w/ Iran) attack Babylon (UK/ US lion w/ eagle wings) (this is the destruction of Mystery Babylon event of Trumpets 1-5). Totally consistent with Daniel 8's timeline: 2 horned ram (Russia with Iran again) attacks, becomes great. Goat/ EU attacks back, the EU dictator notable horn/ "New Alexander" dies after defeating them, the EU splits into 4 units,[ the 4th beast emerges with 10 horns], then the 11th horn emerges, New Antiochus. Daniel 7's 4 beasts: lion w/ eagle wings, bear (the current PM of Russia, Medvedev, name means "of the bear"), 4 headed leopard, then the 4th beast, then the little horn.

All that said, Russia probably won't attack until the 69th Shavuot, 6-11-16, since we have to spend 70 years in Babylon captivity (Jeremiah). On the other hand, something prophetically important should be happening very soon.

The "blood moon" propaganda probably means that there is some sort of false "end of the world" decoy to set up things. (Sept 18, 2015 would form a false "70 weeks until messiah"/ 490 days until the inauguration of the last US President before the US is apparently ended, dusk 1-20-17 thru dusk 7-3-20, 1 year later 7-4-21 is the 245th anniversary of 7-4-1776 (middle of the 70 '7's = 245 years).

For me, this is the Benjamin prophecy. It is about the fall of the "transformation by the renewing of your mind" teaching of Paul (a benjamite). The "howling" is a clue to the "ravenous wolf" of the prophecy (Gen49). The "noise" and face of "fire" are all patterns of the "gift" in Acts 2 spoken by Joel. The "tongues" were a supernatural gift of confusion just like Saul's gift (spirit of confusion). Saul was also a Benjamite.

random person said in post 1:

Any of you ever read Isaiah 13:1-20

What do you all think of the apocalyptic language pronounced against Babylon foretelling their judgment at the hands of the Medes?

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In Isaiah 13, "Babylon" isn't the ancient city of Babylon, but the present-day city of Babylon (in Iraq), which the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will transform into his world capital during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

For the 7 heads of the beast in its empire aspect (Revelation 13:1, Revelation 17:3) represent 7 different empires (Revelation 17:9-10): Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam. The first 5 had fallen by the time of John the apostle in the first century AD: "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10, Revelation 1:1b-2). The 6th (Rome) existed at the time of John: "one is" (Revelation 17:10). The 7th (possibly Islam) hadn't come by the time of John: "the other is not yet come" (Revelation 17:10). The empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be a different, still-future, 8th head (Revelation 17:11), which will be a revival of one of the 5 empires that had fallen by the time of John (Revelation 17:8,10,11). It will be a revival of the empire of Babylon. The Antichrist will transform the present-day, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq) into the capital of his world empire, only to see his city of Babylon ultimately destroyed at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 13).

Before the 2nd coming, when the world is brought into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist, during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist will build their main temple in the city of Babylon. For a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.

The Antichrist may claim to be Nebuchadnezzar returned, and so reinstitute the system that Nebuchadnezzar set up whereby everyone had to worship an image or be killed (Daniel 3, Revelation 13:15). The Antichrist may also claim to be, at the same time, the return of Nimrod (the founder of Babylon: Genesis 10:8-10), and Hammurabi, and Asoka, and other famous rulers of the past. For he may claim that he has had many different "past lives" as various "enlightened" rulers.

Besides building a main temple in Babylon, the Antichrist will also sit (at least one time) in a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, and declare himself God there (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). The Antichrist could also sit (at least one time) in other religions' holiest shrines, and declare himself to be God there as well. For example, he could also sit in Islam's Kaaba in Mecca, in the Sikhs' Golden Temple in Amritsar, in Catholicism's St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, etc.

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In Isaiah 13:3, the "sanctified ones" who "rejoice in [YHWH's] highness" are the obedient people in the church in Revelation 19:7-8, after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. They will be, in Isaiah 13:4-5, the "host of the battle" from "heaven", when they physically descend from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus as he wages war against the world's armies at his 2nd coming (Revelation 19:14-21). So in Isaiah 13:6,9, the "day of the Lord" is the same as the future, 2nd-coming day of the Lord (1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10).

Isaiah 13:10 refers to the same future, 2nd-coming time as Matthew 24:29-31.

Isaiah 13:11 refers to Jesus' defeat of the world's armies at his 2nd coming (Revelation 19:19-21, Zechariah 14:3-21).

Isaiah 13:16 refers not to what Jesus or the church will do, but to what some unsaved "Medes" (Isaiah 13:17-18) will do to the inhabitants of the city of Babylon at the time of Jesus' 2nd coming. By "Medes" is meant the native inhabitants of that part of the Middle East that in ancient times was called "Media" and is now part of Iraq.

In Isaiah 13:17, the "Medes" aren't the ancient Medes that conquered the ancient city of Babylon (Daniel 5:28,31). For the ancient Medes didn't make the ancient city of Babylon uninhabited (Isaiah 13:19-22) when they defeated it, but instead kept it as a thriving city which continued on for centuries.

In Isaiah 13:19-22, the total and eternal destruction of the city of Babylon has never been fulfilled. For Saddam Hussein rebuilt the city of Babylon (using bricks he inscribed with "built by Saddam Hussein, son of Nebuchadnezzar"). And after his defeat, U.S. forces built a military base in Babylon. And in the future, the Antichrist will transform the city of Babylon into his world capital. Isaiah 13:19-22 won't be fulfilled until this city is destroyed at Jesus' 2nd coming.

keras said:

Isaiah 13:17-22 [Fulfilled prophecy - Ancient Babylon was destroyed by the Medes, it has never been rebuilt as an inhabited city. Isaiah chapter 47]

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Suggest you go check your history. Babylon was not destroyed by the Medes, Babylon was abandoned.

This is an unfulfilled prophecy. This judgment was not just against Babylon, it was against the land of the chaldeans and all the cities therein....see Jer 50 and 51.

This part of the prophecy will be fulfilled by the modern day Kurds. For further confirmation, it was the Kurds who are the Medes that did the fighting in Northern Iraq in Gulf War II when Turkey would not let the U.S. use their ports. The Kurds were directed by U.S. special forces. During the day of the Lord it will be the Kurds (a people from the North) who will execute the judgment on Babylon.

Jesus used this language to foretell of the fall of Jerusalem ( babylon 1 peter, the end of the last chapter) by the romans.

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random person said:

You didn't miss it.

Yes, this same language can be found in the Gospels and Revelation.

The Medo-Persian Empire overthrew the Babylonian Empire.

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They indeed did. But, as Choose Wisely pointed out, Babylon was most absolutely not destroyed by the Medes. It indeed suddenly fell to them, and its eventual total destruction was indeed complete. So verses 17 to 20 were indeed literally fufilled. But verses 1-16 have not been.

The idea that you just go through and splinter prophetic pictures off like like checklist of lines fulfilled vs not gags me. Or that a run of 4 verses are "fulfilled" but the 13 before them are not. Looking at the whole section, a few chapters each way, the theme is that the "Israel" will be safe even though enemies abound on every side.

But no one can figure out literalism anyway. Except that it is driven by the mistake of 2P2P.

That's why you can read all the land promises in Genesis, and find their total, explicit, exact fulfillment in Joshua, and the "literalist" still says they are not fulfilled. Because literalism is not powered by the Bible but by think the Bible has 2P2P.

There are threads on the merits of 2P2P here at CF if you are not familiar.

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keras said:

Isaiah 13 talks about Babylon, the ancient city destroyed and never rebuilt. But Babylon is used prophetically as a type for any nation that is godless. Therefore we await verses 1-16, that have not yet been fulfilled. They refer to the day of the Lord, the Sixth Seal event and what happens then, is not a rapture to heaven, but the redemption and restoration of the Lord's righteous people. Their gathering and settling into all of the holy Land, in preparation for the glorious Return of Jesus, to come years later.

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The problem with this Keras, is that you have imposed a view on this passage that departs from the passage itself. This is NOT intended to be "a type" of Babylon!

Isaiah 13:1-16 are the judgment pronounced against Babylon, and why!

Isaiah 13:17-22 tells you how, with the Medes (Persians)...and that is why you're in error. All you have to do is go to Daniel 5:30, 31 gives the fulfillment without details:
30 That same night Belshazzar the Chaldean king was slain.
31 So Darius the Mede received the kingdom at about the age of sixty-two.

Because Belshazzar defiles the vessels of the temple that night, God judged him by using the Medes (Persians) to overthrow Babylon.

Here again is how you disregard historical fulfillment of prophecy. "We" are not waiting on fulfillment...YOU ARE.

The "Babylon" of Revelation 17 is Israel as "a type"...and we know this because it's called " a MYSTERY" “BABYLON THE GREAT...", the word "MYSTERY" gives you a clue it's not literal Babylon!

It's easily seen as Israel also...but you have to let scripture say what IT SAYS...not what you think.

Israel is described in detail in Revelation 17:3-5:
3 And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness; and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality,
5 and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”

This is no doubt Israel with her abominable priesthood, still sacrificing at their ICABOD temple, because God left it when Christ died of the cross...NEVER TO RETURN to it.

Isaiah 1:21
21 How the faithful city has become a harlot, She who was full of justice! Righteousness once lodged in her, But now murderers.

Jeremiah 3 gives us a great clue it's Israel/Judah as God describes how He feels about Israel/Judah in Jeremiah 3:2, 3:
2 “Lift up your eyes to the bare heights and see;Where have you not been violated? By the roads you have sat for them Like an Arab in the desert, And you have polluted a land With your harlotry and with your wickedness.
3 “Therefore the showers have been withheld, And there has been no spring rain. Yet you had a harlot’s forehead; You refused to be ashamed.

How about Ezekiel 16? There's NO DOUBT who the harlot is...*IF* you let the scripture tell the story.

ebedmelech said in post 14:

The "Babylon" of Revelation 17 is Israel . . .

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Note that while the corrupt aspects of Israel are included in what Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents, it represents much more than just the corrupt aspects of Israel. For Israel just by itself doesn't reign over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18). Nor is Israel the only place where people buy merchandise (Revelation 18:11). Nor has Israel just by itself corrupted the entire world (Revelation 18:3). Nor has Israel been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). Instead, Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).

The 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire what Revelation's "Babylon" represents (Revelation 17:16-17) when they destroy the cities of the nations (Revelation 16:19), probably with nukes (and probably with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number six in English gematria), at the time of the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17) of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:2 to 20:6, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Lucifer/Satan (Isaiah 14:17,12), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

Near the very end of the future tribulation, Lucifer (employing the ancient lies of Gnosticism) could say to the Antichrist and his 10 kings something like: "Our great battle against the evil, tyrant god YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so we will be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this material universe, and return to the wholly-spiritual Pleroma [i.e. Heaven]. So let us now destroy this prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break all our chains of attachment to this vile physical realm, that we might more freely ascend back to our rightful place in the Pleroma [cf. Isaiah 14:13-14]".

Of course this will be a lie. For at his 2nd coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat the world's armies, arrayed against YHWH (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-6, Isaiah 14:15). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the 1,000 years and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new 1st heaven, a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1). And then God will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Revelation 21:2-4).

ebedmelech said in post 14:

How about Ezekiel 16? There's NO DOUBT who the harlot is...

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Note that passages like Ezekiel 16 calling Jerusalem a "harlot" doesn't require that Jerusalem alone must be the entirety of what the symbolic harlot "Babylon" in Revelation chapters 17-18 represents, just as, for example, Nahum 3:4 doesn't require that Nineveh alone (Nahum 1:1) is the entirety of Revelation's "Babylon". Similarly, Isaiah 23:15-16 doesn't require that Tyre alone is the entirety of Revelation's "Babylon". And Ezekiel 23:4-8,44 doesn't require that Samaria alone is the entirety of Revelation's "Babylon". And Jeremiah 3:6-7 and Hosea 4:15 don't require that the northern kingdom of Israel alone is the entirety of Revelation's "Babylon". And Ezekiel 20:30 and Ezekiel 43:7 don't require that the house of Israel alone is the entirety of Revelation's "Babylon". And Hosea 5:3 and Hosea 6:10 don't require that Ephraim alone is the entirety of Revelation's "Babylon". Instead, the corrupt aspects of all of these, and of all other cities and nations throughout the earth and throughout history, can be included as only parts of what Revelation's "Babylon" represents.

Ezekiel 16:46 means that the corrupt aspects of the harlot "sisters" Samaria, Jerusalem, and Sodom all arose from one, other mother, who would be the symbolic "Babylon" in Revelation chapters 17-18, the "mother" of harlots (Revelation 17:5).

B2,
your first paragraph above is due to your literalism problem. The Rev says things for effect.

Let me give a modern example. There is a newer biographical movie of Rich Mullins the CCM musician "Hold Me, Jesus / I'm shaking like a leaf" etc.

The goal of the costuming department in movie production is to be sure that the effect gets across. If you've seen the movie (Netflix) you know Rich's career years are shown with horrible clothes and hair. Grunge almost. Right from Picasso's comment on taste (he was attempting to overthrow good taste, which is where grunge came from). But then an intersting thing happens in the movie as you watch the credits. During the credits about 2 minutes of clips of Rich in concert are shown. In reality, he was no worse than Willy Nelson. But the writer wanted the effect to be communicated clearly, so in the movie, the effect of horrible clothes and hygiene needed to show. That's what the Rev is like in many cases, and why you have so much qualifying and explaining to do by being 'nearly literal'.

Btw, that is a cute escape hatch, like being nearly pregnant.

Bible2 said:

Note that while the corrupt aspects of Israel are included in what Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents, it represents much more than just the corrupt aspects of Israel. For Israel just by itself doesn't reign over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18). Nor is Israel the only place where people buy merchandise (Revelation 18:11). Nor has Israel just by itself corrupted the entire world (Revelation 18:3). Nor has Israel been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). Instead, Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).

The 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire what Revelation's "Babylon" represents (Revelation 17:16-17) when they destroy the cities of the nations (Revelation 16:19), probably with nukes (and probably with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number six in English gematria), at the time of the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17) of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:2 to 20:6, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Lucifer/Satan (Isaiah 14:17,12), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

Near the very end of the future tribulation, Lucifer (employing the ancient lies of Gnosticism) could say to the Antichrist and his 10 kings something like: "Our great battle against the evil, tyrant god YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so we will be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this material universe, and return to the wholly-spiritual Pleroma [i.e. Heaven]. So let us now destroy this prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break all our chains of attachment to this vile physical realm, that we might more freely ascend back to our rightful place in the Pleroma [cf. Isaiah 14:13-14]".

Of course this will be a lie. For at his 2nd coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat the world's armies, arrayed against YHWH (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-6, Isaiah 14:15). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the 1,000 years and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new 1st heaven, a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1). And then God will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Revelation 21:2-4).



Note that passages like Ezekiel 16 calling Jerusalem a "harlot" doesn't require that Jerusalem alone must be the entirety of what the symbolic harlot "Babylon" in Revelation chapters 17-18 represents, just as, for example, Nahum 3:4 doesn't require that Nineveh alone (Nahum 1:1) is the entirety of Revelation's "Babylon". Similarly, Isaiah 23:15-16 doesn't require that Tyre alone is the entirety of Revelation's "Babylon". And Ezekiel 23:4-8,44 doesn't require that Samaria alone is the entirety of Revelation's "Babylon". And Jeremiah 3:6-7 and Hosea 4:15 don't require that the northern kingdom of Israel alone is the entirety of Revelation's "Babylon". And Ezekiel 20:30 and Ezekiel 43:7 don't require that the house of Israel alone is the entirety of Revelation's "Babylon". And Hosea 5:3 and Hosea 6:10 don't require that Ephraim alone is the entirety of Revelation's "Babylon". Instead, the corrupt aspects of all of these, and of all other cities and nations throughout the earth and throughout history, can be included as only parts of what Revelation's "Babylon" represents.

Ezekiel 16:46 means that the corrupt aspects of the harlot "sisters" Samaria, Jerusalem, and Sodom all arose from one, other mother, who would be the symbolic "Babylon" in Revelation chapters 17-18, the "mother" of harlots (Revelation 17:5).

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Here again Bible2, you jump in with practically a thesis of statements and passages with NO REAL correlation searched out to their logical conclusions.

You NEVER search anything to it's logical conclusion. Do you ever do that, OR...do you just grab a bunch of commentaries and play "Bible Jeopardy"?