God is our refuge

keras · Oct 8, 2014

Psalm 46:1-11 God is our refuge and strength, a timely help in trouble, so we are not afraid, though the earth quakes and the mountains be moved, when the seas roar and foam in tumult, when the Lord arises to strike all the world with terror. Isaiah 2:21, Isaiah 28:21, Psalm 7:6,
There is a river that brings joy to the city of God, the holy dwelling of the Most High. The Lord is there and will not let it be destroyed, at the break of day, He will help her.
When the Lord thunders from on high, the heat of His anger will burn the earth and people will panic. Nations will be in disarray and their ruling powers will be overturned.
But the God of Jacob is with His people, their strength is in trusting Him. Isa. 25:9
Look at what God has done: all the holy Land is burned and desolate. He has destroyed all the military powers around the Land by His fiery wrath.
Let it be known in all the world that I am the Creator God, I will be exalted in My holy Land. I am with My people, I give them strength and protection. REB.

Psalm 46 is an exhortation to those who trust in the Lords promises of protection during His forthcoming judgement/punishment of the nations, as described in Psalm 83, Rev. 6:12-17 and in many other Bible prophesies.
The Lord will thunder from on high :This event is not the Return, it will happen before that. Jer. 25:30-31, 2 Peter 3:7, Zech. 9:14, Psalm 11:4-6, Rev. 6:12-17
The heat of His anger, His fiery wrath will burn the earth : All the world will be affected, but the Middle East will be completely devastated. Isaiah 66:15-16, Obadiah 1:16, Zeph. 38, 2 Thess. 1:6, Amos 1
at the break of day : This fire from the heavens, as Isaiah 30:26 tells us, will be a CME sunstrike, that will affect every part of the earth, as it rotates to face the sun
Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 29:6, Joel 2:2, Psalm 18:7-15,
people will panic : This unexpected disaster will shock an terrify all who are not aware or prepared for it. Ezekiel 7:17, Jer. 6:24-26, Isaiah 2:21
There will be earthquakes, storms and tsunamis : Cities will become uninhabitable and many will die from these effects and the famines afterward. Hosea 4:3, Micah 5:11, Isaiah 29:6, Jer.23:19, Zeph. 1:14-18, Jer. 12:4&10-13,
military strength will be destroyed : The weapons of the attackers of Israel will recoil upon themselves. Hosea 2:18, Amos 2:14-16, Psalm 7:12-15, Jer. 49:35
the worlds ruling powers will be overturned : Our present Governments will no longer be able to govern and the nations will give up their sovereignty. This will enable a One World Govt. to be established. Daniel 7:23, Rev. 17:10-13
All the holy Land will be burned and virtually depopulated : The area from the Nile to the Euphrates will be cleared and cleansed. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jer. 12 :14
I am with My people : The Lord promises protection to all who call upon His Name, and after the holy Land has been regenerated, they will go and live there. Psalm 46:7 & 11, Psalm 50:5, Ezekiel 20:34-38, Isaiah 49:8-23, Psalm 107:103

Interplanner · Oct 8, 2014

About four of the things here preclude each other Keras. Better make up your mind.

keras · Oct 8, 2014

Interplanner said:
About four of the things here preclude each other Keras. Better make up your mind.

You say that from your preterist viewpoint. High time to get the real truth of what God has planned for our future.
All as told to us in the Prophetic Word.

Interplanner · Oct 8, 2014

"the holy land will be burned and depopulated" conflicts with several other points above it.

btw, there is no holy land anymore. "the earth is the Lord and all it contains" remember?

The people of the earth need to know there is the judgement day of God coming; all you are doing is micromanaging details about it until people don't know what is imporatant any more. What is important is whether they are justified by Christ and his grace against that day. All the other "knowledge" just puffs people up and is hooey.

ebedmelech · Oct 8, 2014

What's so amazing is to miss the poetic beauty and glory of what's really going on because you know nothing of the literature of scripture.

A most tremendous and beautiful message...TOTALLY MISSED!

keras · Oct 9, 2014

ebedmelech said:
What's so amazing is to miss the poetic beauty and glory of what's really going on because you know nothing of the literature of scripture.

A most tremendous and beautiful message...TOTALLY MISSED!

So in your opinion [and all the pastors I know] Psalm 43 is just a poetic admonition for us to live more righteously.
You know the Muslims revere the Koran for its poetic style, but that book is just a hash of confusing and repeated sayings. [I read it through once; I had to force myself to finish it]
There are layers of meaning in the parables of Jesus and lifetimes are spent studying Pauls writings. Why can the Psalms and the Prophets not have this depth as well?
It seems to me that you and the established church do not want to know or uncover the truths; actually not hidden, but in plain sight; of what is written to inform us of God's plans. As Paul predicts in 2 Timothy 4:3-4, people will not be interested in deeper truths, most will refuse, like you, to listen to what the Prophetic Word has to say to us, we who are now living in the latter days.

ebedmelech · Oct 9, 2014

keras said:
So in your opinion [and all the pastors I know] Psalm 43 is just a poetic admonition for us to live more righteously.
You know the Muslims revere the Koran for its poetic style, but that book is just a hash of confusing and repeated sayings. [I read it through once; I had to force myself to finish it]
There are layers of meaning in the parables of Jesus and lifetimes are spent studying Pauls writings. Why can the Psalms and the Prophets not have this depth as well?

Keras you can try all you want to imply what I mean...but where did I say any of that?

Here's your problem for the most part..."GLARING historical ignorance". Please don't even try to point to pastors, because we as believers are NOT to bow to pastors...we're just as responsible to get into the word and search the scriptures as they do.

keras said:
It seems to me that you and the established church do not want to know or uncover the truths; actually not hidden, but in plain sight; of what is written to inform us of God's plans. As Paul predicts in 2 Timothy 4:3-4, people will not be interested in deeper truths, most will refuse, like you, to listen to what the Prophetic Word has to say to us, we who are now living in the latter days.

The key word in what you said is *seems*....when you get right down to it, the Holy Spirit reveals truth! That is His role as Jesus told us. It can *seem* to be whatever you think, but you are not a member of the Trinity...so now what?

keras · Oct 11, 2014

The truth about our future:
Jeremiah 33:1-3 The Word of the Lord came to Jeremiah while he was imprisoned. The Lord says: If you call to Me, I will answer and tell you of great and mysterious things that you are unaware of.
Jeremiah prophesied to the House of Judah, many years after the House of Israel was taken into exile by the Assyrians. He foretold how things would be after the Babylonian conquest of Judah, but this was not completely fulfilled then or after the Roman conquest of Judah in 70AD.
Jeremiah 33:4-5 & 10 The houses of this city and the great buildings of Judah which are now destroyed by the sword of judgement, will be filled with dead bodies. They are those slain by the Lord Himself, because He has turned away from them. The Lord says: See this Land, now in ruins and devoid of people and animals.
This is not fulfilled as yet. Jer. 9:10-11, Isaiah 4:3-6, Ezekiel 30:1-5
Ezekiel 21:14...swing the great sword of slaughter three times, whirling about Judah.
As Ezekiel says: there will be a triple fulfilment of the punishment of Judah. Two of these have happened, by Babylon and Rome but the next is ‘by the Lord Himself’, by the means of a coronal mass ejection, a sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26 This event is prophesied and graphically described over 100 times in the Bible, as ‘the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath’. The entire Middle East will become ‘ruined and devoid of people and animals’. This was not the case with the two previous punishments. Ezekiel 6:14, Zephaniah 1:18, Zechariah 3:10
But for now, as we await this sudden and terrifying Day that the Lord will take action, we must;
Isaiah 35:3-4 Brace the arms that are limp, steady the knees that give way; say to the anxious: Be strong, fear not. Your God comes to save you, with His vengeance and retribution. Jeremiah 30:4-11, Zephaniah 3:16-20
Isaiah 35:5 THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped. Isaiah 29:24 The confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will accept instruction. Isa 6:9-10
The truth about this coming event is not generally known among believers. The reason is due to beliefs in false theories, Isaiah 29:9-12, or a lack of interest in prophecy. They remain ‘in the dark’ about what will happen. 2 Thess. 5:1-11 Only during or after it happens, will understanding be given to all those who have been unable to comprehend the Prophetic Word. They will say: It was there; in plain language, but I couldn’t see it!
Soon after that, many prophesies say how the holy Land will be regenerated;
Jeremiah 33:6-9 In this Land, will be heard once more the sounds of joy and gladness, of weddings and celebrations. People will shout: Praise the Lord, for He is good, His love endures forever’, as they offer thanksgiving in the House of the Lord. By the Word of the Lord: In this place and in all its towns, now ruined and cleared of all peoples and animals, flocks and herds will once more graze. My people will receive all the blessings that I have promised to them. Eze. 36:8-12, Amos 9:13-15
Isaiah 35:10 The Lord’s people, set free, will come back and enter Zion with shouts of triumph, with great joy and singing praises to their God. Suffering and sorrow will flee away. Zechariah 9:16-17
Great are the promises the Lord has made to His righteous people. They will indeed ‘sing praises to the Lord’, when they are settled back into their inheritance. ‘The House of the Lord’ , the third Temple will be built in Jerusalem.

Interplanner · Oct 11, 2014

Keras,
Passages like Jer 33 have many NT comments about them. Are you sticking with that template? How does the NT use them? Is there any long distant future concern? If the things set underway in the NT comments are truly and fully operating, what possible reason is there to dial backward and start the old covenant accessories all over again?

keras · Oct 11, 2014

Interplanner said:
Keras,
Passages like Jer 33 have many NT comments about them. Are you sticking with that template? How does the NT use them? Is there any long distant future concern? If the things set underway in the NT comments are truly and fully operating, what possible reason is there to dial backward and start the old covenant accessories all over again?

It isn't just my idea, but many Bible scholars consider that the NT is written primarily for us, now in the Church age. The spiritualization of the Temple. for example is how it is for us now, but there will come a time when there will again be a physical Temple in Jerusalem. Ezekiel 40-48 gives the details.
So it isn't a case of 'dialling backwards', but a look forward to an amazing future, where the Lord's righteous people will receive His blessings and all those OT prophesies will literally come to pass.
If you and others who believe the NT supersedes the OT, think nothing will happen to this world - which is now a disaster waiting to happen, before Jesus come back, then you are in for a shock. It could be a number of things; economic meltdown, war in the Ukraine, asteroid strike, etc, but the Bible is our true guide and the prophets do tell us - repeatedly: there will be a fire from the heavens, from the sun- God's storehouse. Deut. 32:34-35, Isaiah 30:26 It will change the world and prepare it for the eventual Return.

ebedmelech · Oct 11, 2014

keras said:
It isn't just my idea, but many Bible scholars consider that the NT is written primarily for us, now in the Church age. The spiritualization of the Temple. for example is how it is for us now, but there will come a time when there will again be a physical Temple in Jerusalem. Ezekiel 40-48 gives the details.
So it isn't a case of 'dialling backwards', but a look forward to an amazing future, where the Lord's righteous people will receive His blessings and all those OT prophesies will literally come to pass.
If you and others who believe the NT supersedes the OT, think nothing will happen to this world - which is now a disaster waiting to happen, before Jesus come back, then you are in for a shock. It could be a number of things; economic meltdown, war in the Ukraine, asteroid strike, etc, but the Bible is our true guide and the prophets do tell us - repeatedly: there will be a fire from the heavens, from the sun- God's storehouse. Deut. 32:34-35, Isaiah 30:26 It will change the world and prepare it for the eventual Return.

Wasn't it "many bible scholars" that stood against Jesus when throughout His ministry? So...you've proven nothing except that you don't read the scriptures, you let "scholars" tell you what it says.

2 Timothy 2:15:
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.

Take it on board Keras...and stop letting Hal Lindsey interpret the scriptures for you.

keras · Oct 12, 2014

ebedmelech said:
Wasn't it "many bible scholars" that stood against Jesus when throughout His ministry? So...you've proven nothing except that you don't read the scriptures, you let "scholars" tell you what it says.

2 Timothy 2:15:
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.

Take it on board Keras...and stop letting Hal Lindsey interpret the scriptures for you.

I totally disbelieve the preterist 'scholarship'. And to say I 'don't read the scriptures' is a nasty aspersion, as I intensively study it and have written over 500 articles on most Bible subjects, but mainly prophecy.
Please do not mention the names of false teachers, I have nothing in common with them, their end times views are un-biblical.
I note you no longer claim to be a member of the 144,000. Why?

Interplanner · Oct 12, 2014

Just a historical note about Hal:

I really doubt you have nothing in common with him. You don't have the date set in common with him, the big flop of 1981. But you have plenty of other things in common with him.

ebedmelech · Oct 12, 2014

keras said:
I totally disbelieve the preterist 'scholarship'. And to say I 'don't read the scriptures' is a nasty aspersion, as I intensively study it and have written over 500 articles on most Bible subjects, but mainly prophecy.
Please do not mention the names of false teachers, I have nothing in common with them, their end times views are un-biblical.
I note you no longer claim to be a member of the 144,000. Why?

You erroneously read the scriptures Keras! You take what you have been told or taught, and you approach the scripture that way. You can call it a "nasty aspersion" all you want, but that's what you do.

I certainly do claim to be a member of the 144,000 (which are "The Israel of God), AND I ALWAYS WILL. That's a settled issue for me. The site has had problems displaying signatures, but my siggy remains...NOTHING has changed in my view. The site has been having problems if you haven't noticed?

The intensity with which you study the scriptures doesn't make your study correct (nor mine for that matter), if it doesn't line up with scripture. The fact that you write, should be even more reason to ensure you're in line with scripture because as James 3:1,2 says:
Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.
2 For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well.
Now Keras...I know neither you nor I are perfect, but as I examine your posts, you're consistently in utter disregard of prophecies that have been fulfilled, expecting them to happen again...and that in itself is error.

I don't question the faith of anyone unless it's obvious they don't know the Lord. I have never and will never say that of you...but your dispensational/futurist view is quite erroneous.

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