he man, , even if the battle in heaven is a FUTURE EVENT, it STILL SHOWS the Dragon, Satan, the Devil, that old serpent as being the opposing FORCE in that battle. If you say Satan does not exist, then you obviously ERR. But am curious: who do YOU say this FUTURE Great Dragon, Old Serpent, the Devil IS? Blessings, MEC
Thank you for not addressing my Bible answers with Bible scripture. 1. I have shown the earthly battle in the dominion of earthly kingdoms is what that means by " the battle in heaven ".
I know you disagree and that's fine, you are entitled to your opinion. But your opinion happens to be against Scripture, and I prefer to stick with the facts.
I think you will find that the Satan is anything adversarial to God, but of course in Job he is not adversarial to God but to Job.
The term Satan usually denotes someone who is an adversary of someone else. E.g. Peter was an adversary to Christ in Matthew 16. It takes on a special meaning of sin manifest in individuals or groups in the Scriptures. E.g. in 1 Peter 5 it refers to the Roman Empire persecuting Christians.
In Job it refers to a nameless adversary. We don't know who that adversary is
but he certainly does God's work in the end (Job 42:11). It is likely Job is a parable of a real man's plight.
E.g. Solomon's adversaries - the word used is Satan.
It's not a proper noun. Could it be an angel of God?. We aren't told and it's not important; the story of Job does not hinge on us identifying the adversary.
In Chronicles as in the book of Job it is both God and the Angel/adversary who provoke David into a census and we see how this works in the book of Job, again the context is to test. In fact see here what the Jews believed:
http://whatjewsbelieve.planation7.html
In the Bible there are also verses which show that it is God, the Creator and Ruler of the whole universe, who is responsible for both the Good and the Bad, and not a devil or god of the underworld:
I am the Eternal, and there is none else, there is no god beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Eternal, and there is none else.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Eternal do all these things. [Isaiah 45:5-7]
And the Eternal said unto <the>adversary, Hast thou considered my servant Job ..In the above verses, The adversary must get permission from God to perform this "sting operation" on Job. The adversary has no power or authority of his own, like a District Attorney who must also obtain permission from The Judge for anything he does.
For God, the Bible, and for Judaism, to have an entity that competes with God, that has power and authority of his own in opposition to God, is to violate the basic idea of monotheism.
Christ was tested by an Angel of God because Only God and no one else had the ability/right to give Jesus the kingdoms of the world as described in Matthew 4: 8-9:
God had promised the kingdoms of the world to Jesus in Psalm 2:8 (A Friend)
Satan, in connection with other names, occurs in the Revelations three times. The first is in reference to battle fought in heaven - that is, in the mental and moral state of man, so that it may be determined whether lesh or pirit is to rule the individual. nd there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not: neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him, Rev. 12v 7-9.
Here Satan is described as a dragon; he is described as an old serpent, as the devil, so that there are three additional features under which Satan is presented. The same four-fold character or personification is presented in another passage in the same book, and I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should receive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. Rev. 20v 1-3.
From these passages it is perfectly clear that Satan is not an individual being; because, how could he be a dragon, a serpent, a devil, and a satan? How could one distinct being be four distinct beings? It will not do to assert, as some dogmatically do, that he assumed, all these forms. This is merely begging the question. It cannot be literally that Satan can be a dragon and an old serpent too. He must he one or the other, not both. As he is said to be all, the meaning in which he is all must be sought. How Satan can be and is the devil has been already explained: Satan an adversary, manifests himself in that character as a false-accuser, diabolos. Satan, as an adversary, has his strength in the sensual part of a man nature, which he old serpent represents. he dragon too, is a wasteful, destroying agent, so is the sensual principle in man: hence the application of these terms to the selfish principle in man nature personified.
The great embodiment of truth, represented by Michael, and the messengers of truth represented by Michael messengers, fight with the sensual principle in man, and victory is at last obtained.
But in the third of these occurrences a striking and most interesting fact is brought into prominence, viz., that it is for a time only that Satan is imprisoned: and when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison; and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle; the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved loved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them and the devil (diabolos), that deceived them, was cast in the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever, (Rev. 20v 7-10).
Thus it is revealed that the self-love of man will be brought under rule for a given time: diabolos, and satan will be imprisoned. Later, will the imprisoned gain his freedom: he will deceive the nations; and, at length, after the system of Self has been again tried and found wanting, Christ and his truth will triumph, and the adversary, the Diabolos, and his works be destroyed (Heb. 2v 14; 1 Jno. 3v 8; 1, Cor. 15v 54).
So, what Bible scriptures do you have that prove otherwise?
