Hebrew? Jew? Gentile?

Genealogy doesn't matter anymore with the new covenant Christ established.

Good ole' Galations chapter 3!

14: He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

and 29!

If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

1 Corinthians 10.32 acknowledges the three groups of people: Jew, Greek and church of God.

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By Faith Alone said:

The key is right before your very eyes. Right division in 2 Timpthy 2:15.

To know our position as Gentiles is to understand right division.

When Noah came off the Ark he had three sons. Shem, Ham and Japheth. It is from Shem the seed of God would come (Mal 2:15).

From Shem we go to Abraham...Isaac and Jacob (Israel). It is from Shem that Jesus Christ would come through that nation. It is one of the 12 tribes that being the tribe of Judah.

It is the nation Israel that crossed the Red Sea and were given the law at Sanai. The law was not given to Gentiles.

I am from the line of Japheth (gentiles). I am not Abraham's seed through Isaac nor Ishmael. I am a Gentile.

My fathers did not cross the Red Sea, wander for 40 years in the wilderness, nor did they cross the river Jordan.

I found out that at Acts 28:28 God sent a salvation bringing message all our own contingent upon the rejection of Israel at the end of Acts.

I know for sure that I am not a wild olive tree graft in contrary to nature. The Acts period for all intents and purposes ended in 63AD.

Acts 28:25-28
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
28 Be it known therefore unto you, that ….the salvation (bringing message)of God is sent unto the Gentiles (ethnos...nations), and that they will hear it.

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How does one explain the conversions of Gentiles in acts..and them being baptized into the body of believers..if the church did not start in Acts?

By Faith Alone said:

The key is right before your very eyes. Right division in 2 Timpthy 2:15.

To know our position as Gentiles is to understand right division.

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Anyone can use that verse to try to self-justify what they say and believe. The correct application of the verse, however, is another matter.

Naturally you would say that 2 Timothy 2:15 justifies your position because you are a Dispensationalist-Futurist. The question becomes is what you say and the beliefs you hold what the Church has always believed and passed down.

ChristsSoldier115 said:

Genealogy doesn't matter anymore with the new covenant Christ established.

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It matters when one is groping to hold together Dispensationalism while discrediting all of the terrible things Gentiles brought into the Church in the form of Greek philosophy and eventually "Catholicism."

By Faith Alone said:

It is hard to unlearn what is already drummed in our heads over the years in our trek toward Truth.

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Why should any of this matter if Dispensationalism ("dispensations" in your terms) is not the framework by which one works out all of these passages and prooftexts?

Apparently corinth77777 is the only person that has replied in this thread.

Tzaousios said:

Apparently corinth77777 is the only person that has replied in this thread.

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Of course, that's on page one of the "CF Obstinate Posting Guide Book".

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ChristsSoldier115 said:

Genealogy doesn't matter anymore with the new covenant Christ established.

Good ole' Galations chapter 3!

14: He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

and 29!

If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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So where does Moses fit into all of that?

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
Abraham vs the Rich Man"

LUKE 16:30
"And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
31 But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage.

Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.
This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!

Matthew 3:9
"And no ye should be thinking to say in yourselves 'a Father we are having, Abraham'.
For I am saying unto ye, that is able the God, out of these stones, to raise-up offspring/children to the Abraham". [Luke 3:8/16:24]

Yeshua uses the last two verses of this parable as an amazing prophecy of his pending resurrection from the dead. The rich man says that although his brothers may not accept the scriptural evidence for the identity of the Messiah, they will accept the evidence of one who is raised from the dead.


But Abraham answers and plainly tells him that anyone who rejects the Bible's teaching about the Messiah will also refuse to acknowledge the evidence of a miraculous resurrection.
This last verse is a sad prophecy about the Jews who, despite God's resurrection of His son from the power of the grave, have failed to recognize Yeshua as the prophesied Messiah.

By Faith Alone said:

The key is right before your very eyes. Right division in 2 Timpthy 2:15.

To know our position as Gentiles is to understand right division.

When Noah came off the Ark he had three sons. Shem, Ham and Japheth. It is from Shem the seed of God would come (Mal 2:15).

From Shem we go to Abraham...Isaac and Jacob (Israel). It is from Shem that Jesus Christ would come through that nation. It is one of the 12 tribes that being the tribe of Judah.

It is the nation Israel that crossed the Red Sea and were given the law at Sanai. The law was not given to Gentiles.

I am from the line of Japheth (gentiles). I am not Abraham's seed through Isaac nor Ishmael. I am a Gentile.

My fathers did not cross the Red Sea, wander for 40 years in the wilderness, nor did they cross the river Jordan.

I found out that at Acts 28:28 God sent a salvation bringing message all our own contingent upon the rejection of Israel at the end of Acts.

I know for sure that I am not a wild olive tree graft in contrary to nature. The Acts period for all intents and purposes ended in 63AD.

Acts 28:25-28
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
28 Be it known therefore unto you, that ….the salvation (bringing message)of God is sent unto the Gentiles (ethnos...nations), and that they will hear it.

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Are you including spiritually that we the Gentiles..are.not part of the spiritual seeds of Abraham?

corinth77777 said:

Are you including spiritually that we the Gentiles..are.not the spiritual seeds of Abraham?

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Same message is seemed to be brought to the gentiles based on what is written....the gentile will hear it....
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I personally see faith all the way around....but the lesson in the end wouldnt be for me but those who do not belideve.

Or maybe you are saying ......something like this..u will have to correct......law..with satan and angels/Faith in God with Abraham/ law with Jews / Faith andWorks for Jew Gentile/ Faith for gentile/ then who knows..

By Faith Alone said:

The key is right before your very eyes. Right division in 2 Timpthy 2:15.

To know our position as Gentiles is to understand right division.

When Noah came off the Ark he had three sons. Shem, Ham and Japheth. It is from Shem the seed of God would come (Mal 2:15).

From Shem we go to Abraham...Isaac and Jacob (Israel). It is from Shem that Jesus Christ would come through that nation. It is one of the 12 tribes that being the tribe of Judah.

It is the nation Israel that crossed the Red Sea and were given the law at Sanai. The law was not given to Gentiles.

I am from the line of Japheth (gentiles). I am not Abraham's seed through Isaac nor Ishmael. I am a Gentile.

My fathers did not cross the Red Sea, wander for 40 years in the wilderness, nor did they cross the river Jordan.

I found out that at Acts 28:28 God sent a salvation bringing message all our own contingent upon the rejection of Israel at the end of Acts.

I know for sure that I am not a wild olive tree graft in contrary to nature. The Acts period for all intents and purposes ended in 63AD.

Acts 28:25-28
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
28 Be it known therefore unto you, that ….the salvation (bringing message)of God is sent unto the Gentiles (ethnos...nations), and that they will hear it.

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Yes i agree. however we are grafted in to the branch. We Gentiles are given commands by the Lord and His apostles, and all scripture is profitable for us as well. Psalms and proverbs are very helpful and spiritual, for example. Paul does teach things from the law but he doesn't give us the law in whole as it was given to Israel.



As far as the story of the Exodus goes, it too is for our learning.

Romans 15:4 For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. 5 May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus, 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 7 Therefore welcome one another as Christ has welcomed you, for the glory of God.

Jude 3:5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[c] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,[d] serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

A Call to Persevere

17 But you must remember, beloved, the predictions of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. 18 They[f] said to you, “In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.” 19 It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. 20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life. 22 And have mercy on those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment[g] stained by the flesh.

By Faith Alone, please see my reply to you in post #8. Thanks.