Way To Go Cardinal George!!!!!

pdudgeon · Sep 11, 2014

ZaidaBoBaida said:
Isn't bankrupting a business through fines an penalties the same as seizing it?

i think it's not alike at all. In the past the govt (as well as govts. in other countries--Italy, Germany.) has attempted to take control of the railroads, transportation, or some manufacturing businesses when they were in labor disputes. But the govt. did so with the intent to keep the businesses open, to keep people employed, and it was done on a temporary basis during war.
No one intended for the government to permanantly take over.

But this time around no one is saying anything about the govt. stepping into business. All the govt is interested in is craming health care down our throats in any way possible. They aren't concerned with the welfare of the business or whether it stays afloat and productive.

They haven't looked that far ahead, but that's where all of this could lead.

RileyG · Sep 11, 2014

S.ilvio said:
Comparing the Gay Marriage Lobby to Sharia Law is offensive to our fellow Catholics who suffer under the savagery of ISIS...

I agree it IS wrong.

BUT I do agree with the cardinal that this whole gay "marriage" garbage has gone too far especially for those Christians who refuse to acknowledge it. Otherwise, he said everything very well.

LivingWordUnity · Sep 11, 2014

S.ilvio said:
Comparing the Gay Marriage Lobby to Sharia Law is offensive to our fellow Catholics who suffer under the savagery of ISIS...

The fines and other legal penalties imposed on those who don't agree with so-called "same-sex marriage" compares to one aspect of Sharia law, the jizya tax. Did Cardinal George say that it compares to Sharia in every way?

S.ilvio · Sep 11, 2014

LivingWordUnity said:
The fines and other legal penalties imposed on those who don't agree with so-called "same-sex marriage" compares to one aspect of Sharia law, the jizya tax. Did Cardinal George say that it compares to Sharia in every way?

The good Cardinal should withdraw the insult...

Root of Jesse · Sep 11, 2014

Here's the thing: If you force someone to accept something as 'legal' when they know, in their hearts that it's not something that's right, then there is that element (Sharia). Forcing a business to do something they're not comfortable with it is heavy handed, and Sharia-like. Put it this way-in Sharia, women are forced to wear clothing they might not want to wear simply because they're female. In the US, if a hotel doesn't want to take someone's money because they don't like something about them (like no shoes, no shirt, no service; or that they all have beards, for example) is the same principal.

The constitution protects religious freedom. Forcing acceptance of gay marriage infringes on religious freedom.
Here's another example. If the government told Chick-fil-a that they had to be open on Sunday, would that be wrong? The government telling anyone how to operate their business is an infringement.
Right on, Cardinal George.

S.ilvio · Sep 11, 2014

Please people. Do not try to justify the comparison to Sharia Law. You debase our Christian brethern who have to live in a Sharia regime for real.

If you're oposed to gay marriage, fine. If you're opposed to Obama, thats fine too (I might just join you on that one).

But do not give credence to the tasteless comparison to Sharia...

LivingWordUnity · Sep 11, 2014

S.ilvio,

It compares to the Sharia jizya (tax for not being a Muslim). I agree that what happened to the Iraqi Christians is worse since what they have been experiencing is a lot more than the jizya. But Cardinal George wasn't comparing it to the specific plight of the Iraqi Christians.

Root of Jesse · Sep 11, 2014

S.ilvio said:
Please people. Do not try to justify the comparison to Sharia Law. You debase our Christian brethern who have to live in a Sharia regime for real.

If you're oposed to gay marriage, fine. If you're opposed to Obama, thats fine too (I might just join you on that one).

But do not give credence to the tasteless comparison to Sharia...

Well, there you go, inflating what's being said. This is like people who see racism in everything, or communism. Nobody suggests that we're communist, but we do have elements of it creeping into our government.

Forcing someone to accept what is inherently against their beliefs or taxing someone because they don't believe 'rightly' is how the two compare.

David Waffen · Sep 11, 2014

LivingWordUnity said:
The fines and other legal penalties imposed on those who don't agree with so-called "same-sex marriage" compares to one aspect of Sharia law, the jizya tax. Did Cardinal George say that it compares to Sharia in every way?

Sharia law involved the peaceful oppression of Jews and Christians for centuries. They were not allowed to hold office and they paid extra. That's exactly what will happen, as the Cardinal pointed out.

What's going on in Iraq is not Sharia law or even the most fundamental/extreme form of it.

LivingWordUnity · Sep 11, 2014

The dictatorship of relativism is progressively getting worse. A Republican governor was even put in jail for passing Pro-Life legislation.

gurneyhalleck1 · Sep 11, 2014

So the man upholds the teachings of your Church and for that he should retire. Sure, that makes sense?

Cosmic Charlie said:
This man is the poster child for the Church required mandatory retirement age for Clerics

gurneyhalleck1 · Sep 11, 2014

What a refreshing post. You read the post and comprehended it while staying rational and not getting outraged with liberal bias. ROJ is my kind of guy!

As if the Cardinal REALLY meant that it's literally like Sharia to the nth degree of Islam's extremism. The comparison is valid in that it's forced and pervasive into our own views.

Nicely done!

Root of Jesse said:
Well, there you go, inflating what's being said. This is like people who see racism in everything, or communism. Nobody suggests that we're communist, but we do have elements of it creeping into our government.

Forcing someone to accept what is inherently against their beliefs or taxing someone because they don't believe 'rightly' is how the two compare.

JacktheCatholic · Sep 11, 2014

Root of Jesse said:
Here's the thing: If you force someone to accept something as 'legal' when they know, in their hearts that it's not something that's right, then there is that element (Sharia). Forcing a business to do something they're not comfortable with it is heavy handed, and Sharia-like. Put it this way-in Sharia, women are forced to wear clothing they might not want to wear simply because they're female. In the US, if a hotel doesn't want to take someone's money because they don't like something about them (like no shoes, no shirt, no service; or that they all have beards, for example) is the same principal.

The constitution protects religious freedom. Forcing acceptance of gay marriage infringes on religious freedom.
Here's another example. If the government told Chick-fil-a that they had to be open on Sunday, would that be wrong? The government telling anyone how to operate their business is an infringement.
Right on, Cardinal George.

Yes, there are similarities and that is all the Bishop pointed out. Just a simple truth and something we all should be concerned about.

But, the Bishop never "compared" what ISIS is doing in Iraq to Christians with events here in the USA. C.C. is reading in to the story something that does not exist. Personally, let him post what is plainly erroneous claims because the only support is found in the Mind(s) of someone choosing to see this spectre.

Rhamiel · Sep 11, 2014

the activist homosexual community is not going to stop until everyone accepts sodomy as normal and good

gurneyhalleck1 · Sep 11, 2014

Plus it's hard to keep up with the idiotic acronyms the "community" comes up with. Started off as LG community, then LGB community, then LGBT community, now I hear it's LGBTQ community. Perhaps they'll get through the whole alphabet by the time my youngest is graduated from high school (first grade currently! LOL)?

LGBTQXYZK867-5309

Yep the "community" loves their sodomy alright....

I just think if more people really visualized how disgusting their acts are, they might be a little less romantic about it. But the Left is very adept at taking something nasty, smelly, unnatural, gross, and diabolical and turning into something perfumed and lovely in our minds. Masters of propaganda to be sure.

Rhamiel said:
the activist homosexual community is not going to stop until everyone accepts sodomy as normal and good

Genersis · Sep 11, 2014

Rhamiel said:
the activist homosexual community is not going to stop until everyone accepts sodomy as normal and good

The "activist homosexual community" I'm familiar with promotes the idea of accepting individuals regardless of their orientation. Treating them fairly and equally in comparison to their peers.

Unfortunately this often means opposing discrimination, including discrimination on religious grounds, considered a religious right by a sizable number of people.

Guess I've only been hanging out with the fringe moderates...

But yeah, sure, it's all about forcing people to approve all the evil sex they're having.

gurneyhalleck1 · Sep 11, 2014

Now ya got it!

Genersis said:
But yeah, sure, it's all about forcing people to approve all the evil sex they're having.

Defensor Christi · Sep 12, 2014

S.ilvio said:
Please people. Do not try to justify the comparison to Sharia Law. You debase our Christian brethern who have to live in a Sharia regime for real.

If you're oposed to gay marriage, fine. If you're opposed to Obama, thats fine too (I might just join you on that one).

But do not give credence to the tasteless comparison to Sharia...

Abortion IS as bad as the suffering in Iraq and Syria...perhaps even worse!!! Forcing Catholics (and other Christians) to fund such evil is absolutely SPOT ON!!!

gurneyhalleck1 · Sep 12, 2014

Yes. And compare the numbers of babies slaughtered in America since Roe was enacted to the body count in Syria. No comparison!

Defensor Christi said:
Abortion IS as bad as the suffering in Iraq and Syria...perhaps even worse!!! Forcing Catholics (and other Christians) to fund such evil is absolutely SPOT ON!!!

S.ilvio · Sep 12, 2014

LivingWordUnity said:
S.ilvio,

It compares to the Sharia jizya (tax for not being a Muslim). I agree that what happened to the Iraqi Christians is worse since what they have been experiencing is a lot more than the jizya. But Cardinal George wasn't comparing it to the specific plight of the Iraqi Christians.

He was looking for a cheap headline and chose t disrespect our intelligence and worse still, our Catholic brothers and sisters who don't sit in an Ivory Tower like the good Cardinal and know what real Sharia Law is like.

Congratulations Cardinal, at the cost of oppressed Catholics around the world, you got your headline...

Way To Go Cardinal George!!!!!

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