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Judaism is also heavily influenced by the Babylonians Paganism through the Babylonian Talmud.
Many teachings in the Babylonian Talmud is heavily based on experiences dealing with the Babylonians during captivity.
They seem to be logically sound - but only during the time of their captivity where the Babylonians tend to be ill-mannered and exploitative. In modern application, many of its teachings could be considered quite racist and very discriminating of the Gentiles/Heathens which is how they called the Babylonians.
Judaism could work albeit partially if you have to deal with people who are deceptive and doesn't conduct their business fairly. But it is not applicable if dealing with honest Non-Jews and can be considered racist.
In Christianity, we have "discernment" which renders Judaism obsolete.
I'm not excusing Christianity from Pagan influence as well. Although the Gospels of Jesus by itself are pure, most Christians tend to adopt pagan ways and many teachings in the Bible, particularly in the Old Testament and some of the Apostles like Paul have Pagan Origins.
Even the name of Jesus is possibly Pagan in origin - note Jesus never introduced Himself as Jesus except to the Pharisee Paul. The true Messiah is simply known as the "Son of Man"
The Truth is not really made that obvious, but is only available to those who truly loves God and hates the ways of this world.
Many teachings in the Babylonian Talmud is heavily based on experiences dealing with the Babylonians during captivity.
They seem to be logically sound - but only during the time of their captivity where the Babylonians tend to be ill-mannered and exploitative. In modern application, many of its teachings could be considered quite racist and very discriminating of the Gentiles/Heathens which is how they called the Babylonians.
Judaism could work albeit partially if you have to deal with people who are deceptive and doesn't conduct their business fairly. But it is not applicable if dealing with honest Non-Jews and can be considered racist.
In Christianity, we have "discernment" which renders Judaism obsolete.
I'm not excusing Christianity from Pagan influence as well. Although the Gospels of Jesus by itself are pure, most Christians tend to adopt pagan ways and many teachings in the Bible, particularly in the Old Testament and some of the Apostles like Paul have Pagan Origins.
Even the name of Jesus is possibly Pagan in origin - note Jesus never introduced Himself as Jesus except to the Pharisee Paul. The true Messiah is simply known as the "Son of Man"
The Truth is not really made that obvious, but is only available to those who truly loves God and hates the ways of this world.
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Hellenistic Judaism was involved in mysticism, Orthodox Judaism was not.
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No, zero, none evidence for this. This appears to be a convenient excuse when historical Judaism contradicts or conflicts with modern so-called Messianic Judaism.
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Orthodox Judaism is based on the Babylonian Talmud which is in turn, a set of rules to deal with the unruly and perverted Babylonian heathens.
It's a "tooth for a tooth" kind of treatment. Cause and effect and the cause is pagan ways.
Sadly, it's been convoluted in modern times including Christianity into a racial supremacy theme where every non-Jew is automatically classified as perverted as the ancient Babylonians were which is not true even for non-religious non-Jews.
Jews themselves are victims of these false teachings which turned them from a once noble tribe to one that is scorned by everyone.
It was for their nobility they were exploited by those who wouldn't play fair but sadly, the evil committed to them corrupted them as well.
When God returns, he cut up to pieces people who cannot play fair and take advantage of others.
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You are Wrong. Hellenistic Judaism and Orthodox Judaism do not go hand in hand.
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This is a partial list of things that Judaic Christians do not believe in..
The authority of the Catholic Church.
Trinitarianism.
Jesus in place of Yahshua.
Godhead being used.
The removal of God's name from scriptures.
James in place of the name Jacob.
Cross, in place of the word stake.
Church, in place of the word Congregation or Assembly.
I'am, in place of the words, "Yes" and "I live-ed."
Hell.
Sunday Sabbath.
Reincarnation.
Easter.
Christmas.
Angels in place of the word "messengers."
The Star of David, in place of the seven lamps approved by God.
Hanukkah: A man made holiday.
The worship of the Messiah. Or any other person other than Yahwah.
So what do Pagan Christians believe?
The authority of the Catholic Church.
Trinitarianism.
Jesus in place of Yahshua.
Godhead being used.
The removal of God's name from scriptures.
James in place of the name Jacob.
Cross, in place of the word stake.
Church, in place of the word Congregation or Assembly.
I'am, in place of the words, "Yes" and "I live-ed."
Hell.
Sunday Sabbath.
Reincarnation.
Easter.
Christmas.
Angels in place of the word "messengers."
The Star of David, in place of the seven lamps approved by God.
Hanukkah: A man made holiday.
The worship of the Messiah. Or any other person other than Yahwah.
So what do Pagan Christians believe?
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"eye for an eye" is a pagan belief and the concept is found throughout the Babylonian Talmud (BT) against the non Jews (Heathens).
Do you know the BT is central to the observation of Orthodox Judaism??
Symbols are one thing, but actions or ways are just as significant as symbolisms
Acting as they do according to varied situations is just as worse as adopting their symbols
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You should! In the post that you quoted TW explained what BT means. See red highlight above.
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The symbols are easy to spot. It's the teachings that are more difficult to scrutinize.
Keep in mind also that Exodus is part of Torah and we have Exodus 20:4 which Judaism also violates and then we have Moses building the Ark which is a contradiction...
Both Orthodox forms of Judaism and Christianity have their own huge problems. Judaism/Pharisee seem intent on giving the sheep(Jews) teeth but instead, turned them into wolves - in fighting the beast, they have become beast themselves.
However, the reality is that the lost sheep of Israel has been scattered among everyone and so does the children of the devil. Racial barriers have become less important because you'll find both the children of God and the devil in every race (regardless of their religious beliefs). Often, the children of the devil often ends up being the oppressor, the predator, tend to be more powerful in our worldly society.
A time is coming where the children of the devil is going to be taken, spirited away, etc and they will be no more.
Keep in mind also that Exodus is part of Torah and we have Exodus 20:4 which Judaism also violates and then we have Moses building the Ark which is a contradiction...
Both Orthodox forms of Judaism and Christianity have their own huge problems. Judaism/Pharisee seem intent on giving the sheep(Jews) teeth but instead, turned them into wolves - in fighting the beast, they have become beast themselves.
However, the reality is that the lost sheep of Israel has been scattered among everyone and so does the children of the devil. Racial barriers have become less important because you'll find both the children of God and the devil in every race (regardless of their religious beliefs). Often, the children of the devil often ends up being the oppressor, the predator, tend to be more powerful in our worldly society.
A time is coming where the children of the devil is going to be taken, spirited away, etc and they will be no more.
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It's amusing to me how some of the beliefs that CherubRam has espoused in these types of threads align with known heretical beliefs yet he accuses orthodox Christianity of "paganism."
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Seems like some folks just make up their own MJ religion and interpretations of scripture. If scripture, as written, contradicts their "doctrine" then it must be a pagan interpolation or figurative and they go merrily on their way.
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The Jews created a religion out of their resentment (hatred) of the heathen Babylonians during their exile/captivity. It became the Pharisee and then Judaism.
In post-Babylonian exile up to present, the "Heathen Babylonians" became anyone who is a non-Jew / non-Judaist and anyone who is non Judaist or non Pharisee is discriminated. The Judaists / Pharisees were especially encouraged in applying the teachings of their religion in money so that they made more money off the gentiles than between themselves.
It became the root of antiSemitism which has nothing to do with Jews being the chosen race. The ways of Pharisee / Judaism were resented by good and evil people alike. Good people resented the exploitative nature of their religion and its plenty loopholes (Which included Jesus) while materialistic/greedy people resented them in their unfair / dishonest / unprofessional nature in commerce / making money which was encouraged in their religion.
It gives a whole new meaning to "Loving your Enemy" in the context of Jewish affairs. It could be a hint that antiSemitism is already alive and kicking since the time of Jesus and Jesus instructed the Jews to love their enemies because many of them are not as evil as they assume them to be and the Jews have been really naughty (and probably why people would often throw rocks at them!)
Jesus accused the Pharisees / Judaists today of being lovers of money and it is very evident today and it perfectly mirrored in the teachings of Judaism from the Babylonian Talmud.
Always be sure to read the "fine print" - which is their lengthy "Bibles" before you join or accept any religion!
In post-Babylonian exile up to present, the "Heathen Babylonians" became anyone who is a non-Jew / non-Judaist and anyone who is non Judaist or non Pharisee is discriminated. The Judaists / Pharisees were especially encouraged in applying the teachings of their religion in money so that they made more money off the gentiles than between themselves.
It became the root of antiSemitism which has nothing to do with Jews being the chosen race. The ways of Pharisee / Judaism were resented by good and evil people alike. Good people resented the exploitative nature of their religion and its plenty loopholes (Which included Jesus) while materialistic/greedy people resented them in their unfair / dishonest / unprofessional nature in commerce / making money which was encouraged in their religion.
It gives a whole new meaning to "Loving your Enemy" in the context of Jewish affairs. It could be a hint that antiSemitism is already alive and kicking since the time of Jesus and Jesus instructed the Jews to love their enemies because many of them are not as evil as they assume them to be and the Jews have been really naughty (and probably why people would often throw rocks at them!)
Jesus accused the Pharisees / Judaists today of being lovers of money and it is very evident today and it perfectly mirrored in the teachings of Judaism from the Babylonian Talmud.
Always be sure to read the "fine print" - which is their lengthy "Bibles" before you join or accept any religion!
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