The Great Tribulation and the 70 weeks Prophecy

tranquil · Aug 27, 2014

Daniel 9's 70 weeks prophecy is the Great Tribulation. Once you read Daniel 9 straight through after reading this post, I hope the whole prophecy will just make complete sense. The Great Tribulation is 70 weeks long, starting at the 5th Seal and immediately segueing into the 6th Seal, and then the Day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord is not 3.5 years long or 7 years long as people like to say (even though there is no scripture for this idea) it is 1 year, 1 month, 1 day, and 1 hour long.

In general, the sequence goes: the tribulation for 2 years (up to 2 ½ years), then the Great Tribulation for 70 weeks, then the wrath of God/ bowls of wrath (which appears to be at least 1260 + 3.5 + 490 days). So, Seals 1-4 occur in this first 2 year (up to 2 ½ year) period, then the 5th Seal starts the Great Tribulation. 49 days later would be the start of the Day of the Lord - which are Trumpets 1-6. Why 49 days later?

Let's do a quick review of Daniel 9. There's a period of 7 weeks, a period of 62 weeks, a period of 69 weeks, and 70 weeks, obviously.
If we were to break it down further:

49 days / 7 weeks
385 days / 55 weeks (from the end of the 7 weeks to the end of the 62nd week = 55 weeks (55 x 7 = 385). At the end of this time-frame, messiah is cut off. In this particular instance, it means the end of the Day of the Lord. All the Trumpets occur during this time-frame. A Jewish year is 354 days long + 30 days/ month to dispose of the 3 worthless shepherds (Zech 11:8) + 1 Day of the Lord + 1 hour of trial = 385 days. This is Trumpet 6's 15 So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour, the day, the month, and the year, were released to kill a third of mankind.
49 days / 7 weeks from the end of the 62nd/ start of the 63rd week to the end of the 69th week
7 days / from the end of the 69th week to the 70th week

In essence, the Trumpets/ Day of the Lord events are the last year of the 3 ½ years of tribulation/ the last year of the 1st half of the 7 year tribulation - the 2nd half of the 7 year tribulation is not the Great Tribulation! The 2nd half of the 7 year tribulation is the wrath of God/ 7th Trumpet holding the 7 bowls/ chalices of wrath. The Day of the Lord is the hinge on which the 7 year tribulation rests it ends the tribulation of the saints in the middle and starts the wrath of God for the unfaithful.

With all this in mind, let's see where my proposal of this strange idea came from!

Here is Hosea 6:2. This is the 1st half of the 7 year tribulation, the 1st set of 3.5 years.

1 Come , and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn , and he will heal us; he hath smitten , and he will bind us up . 2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up , and we shall live in his sight.

And now compare with Rev 11

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

I think the understanding that John is describing, is that after 2 days means 2.5 days, thus the 3rd day is the full day that starts after this after 2 days time-frame. So, "after 2 days" + 70 weeks = the 3.5 days described above.

Now before you totally dismiss this idea, lets look at this:

Here in Dan 7, we see the beast, the little horn of Daniel 7, is killed a season and a time before the other beasts are killed.

11 I looked then because of the sound of the great words that the horn was speaking. And as I looked, the beast was killed, and its body destroyed and given over to be burned with fire. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

This season and a time is the 70 weeks of Daniel 9. It kicks off with a beast being killed remember that the 2nd Trumpet is a burning mountain, the same as Jeremiah 51:25 calling Babylon a burning mountain.

Please read the following Daniel 12 passage here carefully! : a beast is killed then there is a time of great trouble and many people are revived. The same as the Hosea 6 passage above after 2 years, people are revived, then there is a season and a time to round out the 3.5 days/ "time, times, and a half time".

44 But news from the east and the north shall alarm him, and he shall go out with great fury to destroy and devote many to destruction. 45 And he shall pitch his palatial tents between the sea and the glorious holy mountain. Yet he shall come to his end, with none to help him.
At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.

6 And someone said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, How long shall it be till the end of these wonders? 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream; he raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven and swore by him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time, and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be finished. 8 I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, O my lord, what shall be the outcome of these things? 9 He said, Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days. 13 But go your way till the end. And you shall rest and shall stand in your allotted place at the end of the days.

Again, in verse 2, it says that the Great Tribulation / "a time of trouble that no one has ever seen the likes of" starts with many people being revived, just like in Hosea 6:2.

And now we know what the meaning of the 1335 days is! It is the aforementioned (in verse 7) time, times, and a half time + the remainder of the 70 weeks prophecy after the Day of the Lord/ 385 day section! Time, times, and a half time is not 1260 days, it is 1278 days, 3.5 solar years.

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tranquil · Aug 27, 2014

Here are some more verses correlating the 70 weeks with “tribulation”.

Deuteronomy 4

25 When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger : 26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed . 27 And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you. 28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. 29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. 30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; 31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God, he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

“Tribulation” is H6862, “Tsar”

In this next passage, “Ephraim” is referring to apostate Israel (a little back-story here: “Israel” was once a “United Monarchy” of 12 tribes. There was a civil war due to issues of lack of food and resources. 10 tribes decided to break up the United Monarchy “Israel” to form an apostate 10 tribe “Israel”. This displeased God – only the tribes of Judah and Benjamin were faithful to God. When you see the “apostasy”/ rebellion, this is what that is referring to. The 1st king of divided offshoot “Israel”was Jeroboam, and he was of the lineage of Ephraim (one of Joseph's sons. “Ephraim” means “fruitful” and in Hosea, there is the repeated motif of “”Ephraim/ fruitful” being “unfruitful”/ bereaved of children/ sterilized – remember that the 3rd Trumpet is Wormwood which refers to Numbers 5:11-32 and the “bitter water ritual”.) This apostate Israel was then taken over by Assyria. When people think of the “antichrist”, they're most likely referring to the future apostate king of the 10 tribes of “Israel”, the leader of the rebellious offshoot of the prior “United Monarchy” Israel. Because of this apostasy/ rebellion, God punished them with being taken over by the “Assyrian”. The “Assyrian” is not synonymous with the “antichrist”.

Hosea 5

13 When Ephraim saw his sickness, and Judah saw his wound, then went Ephraim to the Assyrian, and sent to king Jareb : yet could he not heal you, nor cure you of your wound. 14 For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away ; I will take away , and none shall rescue him. 15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence , and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early .

“Affliction” here is the same, Tsar, H6862, that elsewhere was translated “tribulation”. And “early” is better translated as “diligently” (H7836, Shachar), so one could just as well say, “in their tribulation, they will seek me diligently”. This “seeking diligently” is referring to Daniel 9's 70 weeks:

2 in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, perceived in the books the number of years that, according to the word of the Lord to Jeremiah the prophet, must pass before the end of the desolations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years.
3 Then I turned my face to the Lord God, seeking him by prayer and pleas for mercy with fasting and sackcloth and ashes. 4 I prayed to the Lord my God and made confession, saying, “O Lord, the great and awesome God, who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, 5 we have sinned and done wrong and acted wickedly and rebelled, turning aside from your commandments and rules. 6 We have not listened to your servants the prophets, who spoke in your name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land. 7 To you, O Lord, belongs righteousness, but to us open shame, as at this day, to the men of Judah, to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to all Israel, those who are near and those who are far away, in all the lands to which you have driven them, because of the treachery that they have committed against you.

And the prophecy itself:

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

What transgression are they finishing? Being apostate, rebellious.
The “messiah being cut off” is the end of the Day of the Lord after 62 weeks. The “troublous times” are the Great Tribulation. The “people of the prince to come” destroy the city and sanctuary in the time period after the 385 day section/ Day of the Lord section – the ending 56 day section. This destruction of the city and sanctuary finishes off the end of the 1335 day tribulation (1278 days + 56 =1334 days) – but this does not end the “desolations” which are the “bowls of wrath” that are starting to be poured out and last until the appointed time. The “prince to come” makes the 7 year covenant in the middle of the “7 year tribulation.” The breaking of which is the ending to this “7 year tribulation”.

Rev20 · Aug 27, 2014

tranquil said:
A Jewish year is 354 days long + 30 days/ month to dispose of the 3 worthless shepherds (Zech 11:8) + 1 “Day of the Lord” + 1 hour of trial = 385 days. This is Trumpet 6's 15 So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour, the day, the month, and the year, were released to kill a third of mankind.

The ancient Jewish Year was the same as the modern year: 365.25 days. They added a month every few years (called an "intercalary" month) to ensure the seasons did not get out of whack. Otherwise their festivals would begin to fall in the wrong seasons.

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Rev20 · Aug 27, 2014

tranquil said:
Daniel 9's 70 weeks prophecy is the Great Tribulation. Once you read Daniel 9 straight through after reading this post, I hope the whole prophecy will just make complete sense.

The interpretation of Daniel's 70 weeks is so simple, it is almost unimaginable that so many people have misunderstood it. All you need to understand are a few simple rules, and you too can be a Daniel 70 Week Expert:
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Rule 1: throw out the first 69 weeks, unless you like to delve in history.

The first 69 weeks are purely historical, and have nothing to do with the ministry of Christ and the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. Christ was anointed as the Messiah at the beginning of the 70th week, which is the only week we will focus on.
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Rule 2: believe the prophecy when it states that Christ's ministry lasted 3.5 years, or a half-week Daniel-time.

That takes us half-way through the 70th week, which, by definition, is the midst of the week, at which time Christ was cut-off out of the land of the living.
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Rule 3. believe the prophecy that states that Christ confirmed the covenant for one week.

But Christ was only on the earth for a half week. How could he confirm the covenant for the full 70th week? Through his disciples, of whom he said,

"He that receiveth you, receiveth me." -- Matt 10:40

So his disciples completed the second half-week of covenant confirmation.

You may have read that about that time--at the end of the 70th week--the Gentiles were allowed into the kingdom. After that, it was no longer a God-Israel matter, but a God-people matter. So, from that point on, the new covenant has been in full-effect, and it will be confirmed forever.
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Rule 4. that ended the seventy weeks.

Don't add any time to the seventy weeks, for any reason. The other events: the abomination of desolation, the arrival of Titus, the destruction of Jerusalem, etc., were not part of the seventy weeks, but occurred five or six weeks (Daniel-time) after the seventy weeks were completed.

Daniel 9:24 laid out the six things that were to occur within the seventy weeks. I repeat: the events related to the destruction of Jerusalem were not part of the seventy weeks, but occurred after the seventy weeks were fulfilled.

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BABerean2 · Aug 28, 2014

Rev20 said:
The interpretation of Daniel's 70 weeks is so simple, it is almost unimaginable that so many people have misunderstood it. All you need to understand are a few simple rules, and you too can be a Daniel 70 Week Expert:
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Rule 1: throw out the first 69 weeks, unless you like to delve in history.

The first 69 weeks are purely historical, and have nothing to do with the ministry of Christ and the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. Christ was anointed as the Messiah at the beginning of the 70th week, which is the only week we will focus on.
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Rule 2: believe the prophecy when it states that Christ's ministry lasted 3.5 years, or a half-week Daniel-time.

That takes us half-way through the 70th week, which, by definition, is the midst of the week, at which time Christ was cut-off out of the land of the living.
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Rule 3. believe the prophecy that states that Christ confirmed the covenant for one week.

But Christ was only on the earth for a half week. How could he confirm the covenant for the full 70th week? Through his disciples, of whom he said,

"He that receiveth you, receiveth me." -- Matt 10:40

So his disciples completed the second half-week of covenant confirmation.

You may have read that about that time--at the end of the 70th week--the Gentiles were allowed into the kingdom. After that, it was no longer a God-Israel matter, but a God-people matter. So, from that point on, the new covenant has been in full-effect, and it will be confirmed forever.
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Rule 4. that ended the seventy weeks.

Don't add any time to the seventy weeks, for any reason. The other events: the abomination of desolation, the arrival of Titus, the destruction of Jerusalem, etc., were not part of the seventy weeks, but occurred five or six weeks (Daniel-time) after the seventy weeks were completed.

Daniel 9:24 laid out the six things that were to occur within the seventy weeks. I repeat: the events related to the destruction of Jerusalem were not part of the seventy weeks, but occurred after the seventy weeks were fulfilled.

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Brother, you are now my hero.

At one time I felt like I was beating my head against a granite wall.

You just made it all worth it.

Interplanner · Aug 29, 2014

So Rev, you're saying that the final verse is after the 70th week with the 6 redemptive accomplishments, and the cutting off, right?

Rev20 · Aug 30, 2014

Interplanner said:
So Rev, you're saying that the final verse is after the 70th week with the 6 redemptive accomplishments, and the cutting off, right?

I think I understand your question. A literal reading of 9:24 reveals the seventy weeks are decreed to fulfill only the six events listed. This is the verse:

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,

1) to finish the transgression,
2) to make an end of sins
3) to make reconciliation for iniquity
4) to bring in everlasting righteousness
5) to seal up the vision and prophecy
6) to anoint the most Holy.

The remaining verses are more or less historical events that occur along the way; or afterward, in the case of Titus and the destruction of Jerusalem.

I believe the first one to be fulfilled is #6:

"The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek . . ." -- Isa 61:1

Some believe #5:

"The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it." -- Luke 16:16

Whatever the order, the 70 weeks were fulfilled a half-week after Christ was cut-off (killed).

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Interplanner · Aug 30, 2014

I meant the final NIV sentence, 27b, "And one who causes..." That event(s) is later, removed from the events of the Gospel. It brings to conclusion a topic that was sprung open in 8:13. Is that how you see it when you said "the events of the DofJ were not part of the 70 weeks"?

BABerean2 · Aug 30, 2014

Rev,

The following is a great article on the 70 weeks, if you have not seen it.

I believe it confirms everything you have said.

Daniels 70 weeks Prophecy - Daniels 70 Week Prophecy

shturt678s · Aug 30, 2014

Agreeing to disagree resulting in an unscholarly posit dailing in Dan.9:24 then vs.25 forward can better be understood in the truthful direction.

Dan.9:24, "Seventy heptads (not "weeks" but groups of "7") are determined over thy people and over thy holy city a-c deal with Christ's 1st Coming:

a. to restrain the transgression b. and to seal up sin c.and to make reconciliation for iniquity:

d-f deal with Christ's 2nd Coming.

d. bring in everlasting righteousness e. and to seal up vision and prophecy f. and to anoint the Most Holy.

Daniel's is the only O.T. prophecy that seen both Comings of our Lord.

Only old Jack's opinion

BTW we're nearing the very end of the "tribulation, the great" where Satan is about to be loosed.

bibletruth469 · Aug 30, 2014

Rev20 said:
The interpretation of Daniel's 70 weeks is so simple, it is almost unimaginable that so many people have misunderstood it. All you need to understand are a few simple rules, and you too can be a Daniel 70 Week Expert: . Rule 1: throw out the first 69 weeks, unless you like to delve in history. The first 69 weeks are purely historical, and have nothing to do with the ministry of Christ and the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. Christ was anointed as the Messiah at the beginning of the 70th week, which is the only week we will focus on. . Rule 2: believe the prophecy when it states that Christ's ministry lasted 3.5 years, or a half-week Daniel-time. That takes us half-way through the 70th week, which, by definition, is the midst of the week, at which time Christ was cut-off out of the land of the living. . Rule 3. believe the prophecy that states that Christ confirmed the covenant for one week. But Christ was only on the earth for a half week. How could he confirm the covenant for the full 70th week? Through his disciples, of whom he said, "He that receiveth you, receiveth me." -- Matt 10:40 So his disciples completed the second half-week of covenant confirmation. You may have read that about that time--at the end of the 70th week--the Gentiles were allowed into the kingdom. After that, it was no longer a God-Israel matter, but a God-people matter. So, from that point on, the new covenant has been in full-effect, and it will be confirmed forever. . Rule 4. that ended the seventy weeks. Don't add any time to the seventy weeks, for any reason. The other events: the abomination of desolation, the arrival of Titus, the destruction of Jerusalem, etc., were not part of the seventy weeks, but occurred five or six weeks (Daniel-time) after the seventy weeks were completed. Daniel 9:24 laid out the six things that were to occur within the seventy weeks. I repeat: the events related to the destruction of Jerusalem were not part of the seventy weeks, but occurred after the seventy weeks were fulfilled. .

This theory is not correct. Where did you get this information from? Scripture is very clear. Daniels 70th week is future event . It happens during the 7 year tribulation which has not occurred yet .the future antichrist will confirm a covenant with Israel and many nations and will be broken at midpoint .Then , The great tribulation is the last 3 1/2 years when god s wrath is poured out. The seven year period( 70 Th) week correlates with the time frame of revelation where the last 3 1/2 years is also the wrath of God. The abomination of desolation happens at the mid point of the tribulation . Also look at Matthew 24 when Jesus mentions ' Daniel the prophet' and the abomination of desolation. It is a future event and this is all very clear in the scripture .

Interplanner · Aug 30, 2014

BT469,
it is not clear that it is in the future, because he gave direct, useful, practical instructions to them right there. It also echoes language in Mt 10 in many places. You don't talk that way unless you add: "but of course, all this is far, far in the future."

In Luke 19, OT lines were used in about the pending destruction, but the vocabulary was Roman military vocab. More of an indication that it was about their times.

BABerean2 · Aug 30, 2014

bibletruth469 said:
This theory is not correct. Where did you get this information from? Scripture is very clear. Daniels 70th week is future event . It happens during the 7 year tribulation which has not occurred yet .the future antichrist will confirm a covenant with Israel and many nations and will be broken at midpoint .Then , The great tribulation is the last 3 1/2 years when god s wrath is poured out. The seven year period( 70 Th) week correlates with the time frame of revelation where the last 3 1/2 years is also the wrath of God. The abomination of desolation happens at the mid point of the tribulation . Also look at Matthew 24 when Jesus mentions ' Daniel the prophet' and the abomination of desolation. It is a future event and this is all very clear in the scripture .

The version you gave above is very clear to you, because it is what you have been taught your whole life.

However, it is not the only interpretation.

Old-time Bible scholars Matthew Henry, Albert Barnes and Adam Clarke agreed with the interpretation given by Rev20.

If your version was so clear, these older commentaries would reflect the same thing.

Your chief problem is the fact that the angel Gabriel did not mention a gap between the 69th week and the 70th week. The gap is a man-made addition.

My mother used to ask, "Would you jump off a cliff just because someone else did? " Her question applies to the interpretation you gave above.

The following link would be a good place for you to look, to at least consider another interpretation.

Daniels 70 weeks Prophecy - Daniels 70 Week Prophecy

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Rev20 · Aug 30, 2014

Interplanner said:
I meant the final NIV sentence, 27b, "And one who causes..." That event(s) is later, removed from the events of the Gospel. It brings to conclusion a topic that was sprung open in 8:13. Is that how you see it when you said "the events of the DofJ were not part of the 70 weeks"?

I believe that Daniel 8:13 was referring to the abomination caused by Antiochus IV. While some of the terminology is similar to that which occurred during the DofJ, such as "trodden under foot", they were two distinct events.

Regarding the "one who causes", most translations are confusing, to say the least. This is my interpretation of verses 26-27. The Septuagint gives the most clarity, in my opinion; so let's look at verses 26-27 in the KJV and LXX, in parallel:

KJV: "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

LXX: "And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him:

That can also be read, "after seven and sixty-two, or sixty-nine weeks", when the first seven weeks are considered. But at what point after the sixty-nine weeks was Christ killed? At the mid-point of the next, or 70th week; which can also be defined as "the midst" of the week.

Isaiah foretold all but the timeline:

"He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken." -- Isa 53:8

"In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken away from the earth: because of the iniquities of my people he was led to death." -- Isa 53:8 LXX

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KJV: "and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;"

LXX: "and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming:"

Notice the additional detail of the LXX. Christ does the destroying: the prince and his people are his instruments of destruction.
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KJV: and the end [of the city] thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

LXX: they [the city] shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the city to desolations."

The city being "cut-off" is referring to the Roman army siege that cut off the entrance and exit points to the city. A reference to the figurative "flood" can be found here:

"Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it." -- Isa 28:14-18

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KJV: "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

LXX: "And one week shall establish the covenant with many:

Christ confirms the covenant with Israel for a full week, even though He was here for only a half-week. But his disciples, who received the Holy Spirit from the Father on the day of Pentecost, were speaking for Christ after his resurrection:

"Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham," -- Luke 1:68-73

"Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities." -- Acts 3:25-26

"Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:" -- Rom 15:8

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;" -- 1Pet 2:9

That last one by Peter confirms an early promise the Lord made through Moses to the faithful and obedient children of Israel:

"Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." -- Exo 19:5-6

And those in darkness that Peter referred to were the children of Israel:

"The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up." -- Matt 4:15-16

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KJV: "and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

LXX: "and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away:

When Christ sacrificed himself for our sins, he fulfilled the requirements for sacrifices and oblations:

"Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand." -- Isa 53:10

"Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself." -- Heb 7:27

Therefore, the sacrifice and oblations ceased, as far as the Lord was concerned.
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KJV: "and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

LXX: "and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation."

According to the LXX, the end or completion of the desolation coincided with the end of the age.

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Danoh · Aug 30, 2014

Nice, Rev20, but for an item here and there, your findings are very similar in most of that post #14, to my own. Nice...

Rev20 · Aug 31, 2014

BABerean2 said:
Rev,

The following is a great article on the 70 weeks, if you have not seen it.

I believe it confirms everything you have said.

Daniel’s 70 weeks Prophecy - Daniels 70 Week Prophecy

I already have a link to that site in my database. Maybe I got it from you in an earlier thread. Anyway, thanks.

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Interplanner · Aug 31, 2014

Rev wrote:
The city being "cut-off" is referring to the Roman army

I've never heard the antecedent switched to the city, and you were trying to keep the antecedents clear, I thought. It is Messiah, unless otherwise indicated.

Rev20 · Aug 31, 2014

Interplanner said:
Rev wrote:
The city being "cut-off" is referring to the Roman army

I've never heard the antecedent switched to the city, and you were trying to keep the antecedents clear, I thought. It is Messiah, unless otherwise indicated.

I believe you missed the context, IP. First, I didn't say the city being cut off was the Roman Army, but the city was being "cut-off" by the Roman army. This is the context:

"And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he [Messiah] shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince [Titus] that is coming: they [the city] shall be cut off with a flood [of Roman soldiers?], and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the city to desolations." -- Dan 9:26 LXX

Note the colon after "prince that is coming". "They" cannot be the Messiah.

This is the King James:

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end [of the city] thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined." -- Dan 9:26 LXX

Both are saying the end of the city will be by a "flood", but not instantly. The only historical and biblical interpretation that fits would be a flood of soldiers. Jeremiah 46:8 uses "flood" to describe the Egyptian army coming "like a flood".

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Danoh · Aug 31, 2014

Interplanner said:
BT469,
it is not clear that it is in the future, because he gave direct, useful, practical instructions to them right there. It also echoes language in Mt 10 in many places. You don't talk that way unless you add: "but of course, all this is far, far in the future."

In Luke 19, OT lines were used in about the pending destruction, but the vocabulary was Roman military vocab. More of an indication that it was about their times.

Or, unless, being the Lord, you mean what you say, and say what you mean concerning His PROPHESIED Purpose to one day "restore again the kingdom to Israel... the times or the seasons, WHICH the Father HATH put IN HIS OWN POWER," to one day restore, Acts 1: 3, 6, 7; 3:20, 21; Luke 1: 31-33; 67-79.

bibletruth469 · Aug 31, 2014

To rev 20& bab,

In the article you are both referring to, it seems like you believe that the Daniel 's 70 week prophecy is completely historical. However, certain things have not occurred yet . There is a gap of time between the 69 and 70 th weeks when a literal interpretation of the bible is taken . It also has to be in a chronological sequence. For example, in verse 26, this verse describes Jesus death the destruction of the temple in AD 70 which is historical , however, the events of verse 27 are future. Example: verse 26, " And after three score and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off , but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary ...". Now verse 27 goes on to mention the abomination of desolation by the one who confirms the covenant. Example: verse 27," And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week : and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate , even until the consummation , and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate".

Only a literal and futurist interpretation of verse 27 fits . One can not just put these two verses in a chronological sequence with a back to back understanding. Hence, there has to be a gap of time. This last gap of one week of years has not occurred yet.

One can not make sense that verse 27 is mentioning Christ and the church, but they are actually referring to Israel and the antichrist. It seems to make sense that the 69 weeks are separate than the last week of 7 years. I believe that this gap of time appears because Israel rejected the Messiah, so God has postponed the final week. This final week is the tribulation period .

This is my understanding of this very important and prophetic passage.

The Great Tribulation and the 70 weeks Prophecy

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