why is homo worse ???

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Wow....

I'm not even Orthodox but wow.

"ALL Christians are so hypocritical"?

Here's the thing: Society (not yet anyway) is not condoning going out and killing people, raping women, or beating people up. All serious sins.

Unfortunately, society today sees: Fornication, Homosexuality, Blasphemy, Atheism, Liberal as "wonderful" and "cute". Hence, more Christians will go after those topics because they are constantly shoved down our throats 24/7/365.

WHY do we go after sexual sins?

I go after sexual sins BECAUSE they are consntaly glorified as "normal'', "healthy", "natural" with zero regard for the person's overall mental, physical and spiritual health. That's why.
 
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Unwittingly, many people give themselves away when they proclaim their opposition to a person's behavior.

For example i really dislike rude and passive aggressive behavior. I can't always see this, but the reason i feel this way is because i am often unknowingly rude and passive aggressive.

In other words, what we dislike in others is what we dislike in ourselves.
 
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Also, I NEED to make one thing VERY CLEAR.

I will NEVER *ever* point my finger at someone who is gay, or is a prostitute, or is an adulteress, or committed fornication, or even murdered and raped people and say "you're a worst sinner than me". Why? Because that is PRIDE- The MOTHER of where ALL sin comes from!!!!!!
 
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Your thread title mentions "homo" but you say sexual sins in general in your question?

I was listening to to a podcast today (I could never spell the Archmanidrite's name) but he was speaking on this. He said sometimes people tend to look at someone else's sin and say to themselves, "I may be a sinner, but I don't commit THAT sin" - as a way of making themselves feel better.

But of course that does touch on pride. Which is possibly worse.

He used the illustration of the woman caught in adultery. Jesus said that whoever was without sin could cast the first stone. Not specifically whoever had never committed adultery. He wasn't letting anyone condemn the woman for the particular sin of adultery when they committed other sins just as grievous themselves.

And if you see all Christians as hypocritical, maybe you are hanging out with the wrong Christians.

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Why do Christians go after sexual sins as worse than abusing or killing people. Heck Jesus had more to say against remarriage but that is allowed.
All Christians are so hypocritical lately :(
Do you want to hear my honest opinion?
I don't see an issue with homosexuality but I don't go out of my way to condone it. I think that murder is a much greater sin that being in love with someone of the same gender.
Now watch, I'm going to get called a fake Christian or something by someone. That seems to be the trend among some of my fellow Christians. (And I'm not orthodox, I was just curious and then felt the need to respond.
 
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But remarriage is one of the worst sins and it is propagated by all churches. Shouldn't we clean house before taking on society?
Remarriage isn't always bad. What if the person you marry treats you badly? You should leave them.
 
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But remarriage is one of the worst sins and it is propagated by all churches. Shouldn't we clean house before taking on society?

Why do you decide remarriage is one of the worst sins?
 
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Right now in this world we have sin in abundance. There is violence, war, rape, murder, civil unrest, hatred, sloth, perversion, atheism, abortion, the list goes on and on.

We've always had violence. And violence has always been considered tragic and something to be avoided. Nobody really likes war except the braintrusts that start them. But at least the world has been able to understand the dignity of the marital act, the sublime and powerful role of marriage, the fact that pre-marital sex is sin, the fact that sodomy is not only disgusting but also evil, and that same-sex attraction is a disorder.

But in this brave new world of the new millennium we live in, in these wonderful times, morality has been turned upside down. Sexual sins are evil. We get into trouble when we start this silly game of downplaying perversion and sexual evils and just focusing on violence. And we get into even BIGGER trouble when we get on here and second guess and predict what would and wouldn't bother Our Lord.

Sodomy and oral copulation amongst two men or sexual acts between two lesbians is evil. Pure and simple. The Orthodox Church, to whom this subforum is dedicated, teaches officially that active same-sex intercourse is sinful. We all know why. It is a perversion of God's design and desire for the course of human events with regard to sexuality and the family unit. It is something Satan delights in. Two men using their anuses for sex. You get the point. It's gross and manipulating the human body in a disgustingly un-Godly way. Pretending a man is a woman in penetration. The very act is ugly beyond belief and a slap in God's face.

So gay sex is evil. It was in the beginning, is now, always will be. To stand up bravely in a world that adores sodomy and proclaim God's teaching isn't detracting from anything else. It's courageous and must be done.

Premarital sex violates God's desire for us. It's wrong. It was wrong and still is and always will be.

Cohabitation and "trial marriage" is sin. It is against God's wishes and subjects the Holy Spirit to sin. It's wrong. Still is.

Adultery is sin.

Now here's a simple reality: I can be outraged at how the media, politicians, my state, cable TV, music, and the whole entirety of pop culture is brainwashing everyone to find sodomy to be a beautiful thing and the "gay" lifestyle a lovely and fresh slice of life AND I can be mad at ISIS AND I can be mad about abortion deaths AND I can be disgusted at the cohabitation and inappropriate content epidemic AND I can be mad at the beheading of journalists in Syria AND I can be upset about....

It's a simple concept: walking and chewing gum at the same time.

We've heard these arguments for years: "why can't we ignore the gay stuff and just feed the poor?" Really? You can't do both? "Why can't we quit worrying who people are sleeping with and just love people?" uh....yeah, we do? That's why we love them! We hate to see them killing their souls and those of others!

An, Orthodox Christian SHOULD be mad at the LGBT fascism of this country. We can't disagree with this vile agenda without being labeled as hate-mongers and bigots and losing our jobs or being branded. it's a fascist setup. We can't criticize any sexual sin lest we get labeled judgmental. It's absurd. We carry sins ourselves. I do. I screw up all the time. I go to confession, I beg for forgiveness and know I'm 100% inadequate without God's grace and sacraments. Same with other sinners. But when we get to the point where we try to bury our heads and ignore the hedonism and gross evils our culture is pounding into our kids' heads and say the only thing we should worry about is ISIS and Putin's invasions, well, then we're in trouble. Walk and chew gum.

yet we cannot just vent and gripe and preach against sins. Christians can't just be about what we're against. We must be FOR things as well. That's where charity, prayer, outreach, ministries, and community come in.

A Christian is a multi-faceted critter who is against sin, fighting sins within himself, and trying to love and serve all at the same time. :crosseo:
 
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the Fathers say that sexual sins are railed against because two people are darkened rather than just one. in the case of the murderer, the one who died did not commit the sin. in the case of practically every kind of lust, two people commit the sin,

personally, I would also say that sexual sins are the only ones that we are told are normal, rather than what they are which is sinful.
 
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But remarriage is one of the worst sins and it is propagated by all churches. Shouldn't we clean house before taking on society?

well, just because remarriage is ALLOWED in the Church does not mean it is propagated. I have never been to one, but I know someone who has, but I have heard that the service for someone who get's remarried is not full of joy like a wedding service. it is a total recognition that this is out of man's weakness and fallenness that this is being done.

as far as a Church with no hypocrites, when you find one, lemme know.
 
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Maybe I am misunderstanding the original poster but he didn't mention people having a problem with the other sexual sins beyond acting on same sex attraction. I'd imagine for good reason, even on Orthodox message boards some treat acting on same sex attraction as if it is the greatest sin ever, and the cause of all society having gone to hell in hand basket. They focus on it to the point you have to wonder if they get it really isn't different than other sexual sins, all sexual sins are wrong. You all bring up the other sexual sins, but the other ones, sometimes I wonder if some members of TAW actually believe the other sexual sins are a problem or is it just the "filth gays" they have a problem with. Honestly I'm pretty certain with some here it's just the gays since the only time they remember fornication, adultery and sex trade industries is when they are called on their focus on just LGBT.
 
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Why is.this in the Eastern Orthodox forum? Pardon me. I wouldn't have posted earlier if I'd realised, but since i have......

Personally i find greed a far more serious transgression against the gospel than any sexual act performed by two consenting adults, given the poverty and the suffering it causes.

In the light of my previous post, I am far from being a worldly success by any measure. I could fairly be accused of being envious if i was writing from a rich nation like my native Australia. I am staying in a 3rd world country and i see the heartbreak it causes daily. I, a financial outcast in my own land am wealthy here. Therein lies the injustice.

The absolute worst is of course legitimising that greed via the gospels.
 
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Why is.this in the Eastern Orthodox forum? Pardon me. I wouldn't have posted earlier if I'd realised, but since i have......

Personally i find greed a far more serious transgression against the gospel than any sexual act performed by two consenting adults, given the poverty and the suffering it causes.

In the light of my previous post, I am far from being a worldly success by any measure. I could fairly be accused of being envious if i was writing from a rich nation like my native Australia. I am staying in a 3rd world country and i see the heartbreak it causes daily. I, a financial outcast in my own land am wealthy here. Therein lies the injustice.

The absolute worst is of course legitimising that greed via the gospels.

I was actually wondering why it is in the EO forum as well. To me, the EO Church seems to have one of the most balanced views on SSA among churches. Some churches outright condemn anyone who struggles with the issue, and on the opposite extreme some churches embrace it to the point of ordaining practicing homosexuals.

Afaik, the EO Church recognizes this as something some people struggle with, and encourages those with that particular problem in their struggle, just as she does with anything people struggle with. Not condoning sin in order to make it easier for people, but not hypocritically treating people as if they aren't made in God's image like the rest of humankind either.
 
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