Recent Fulfilled Mormon Prophecies

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That's what I've been thinking too. I was considering starting a thread where we take a look at what each of the prophets contributed to the Bible and see what percentage of them made the kind of fortune telling statements that are being discussed in this thread.


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So far the LDS percentage is ZERO %
 
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So things only count if you get something named after you?

Kinda egotistical, eh?

Kinda unbiblical, eh? Your spin on everything biblical, that is.

"Apostles" who meet no biblical qualifications to be so.
"Prophets" who have nothing in common with biblical prophets.
"Temples" that have no semblance to the OT temple they claim to model after.
"Priests" who meet no biblical qualifications to be so.

I'm sure the list could go on....

Mormonism is clearly a forgery.
 
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That's what I've been thinking too. I was considering starting a thread where we take a look at what each of the prophets contributed to the Bible and see what percentage of them made the kind of fortune telling statements that are being discussed in this thread.

So far the LDS percentage is ZERO %
You say that as though it's a bad thing. :o
 
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Kinda unbiblical, eh? Your spin on everything biblical, that is.

"Apostles" who meet no biblical qualifications to be so.
"Prophets" who have nothing in common with biblical prophets.
"Temples" that have no semblance to the OT temple they claim to model after.
"Priests" who meet no biblical qualifications to be so.

I'm sure the list could go on....

Mormonism is clearly a forgery.

Mind actually spelling out the hows & whys instead of merely casting aspersions?

We've already demonstrated that the preconceived notion of what makes a prophet is mistaken, as we have numerous Biblical prophets that do not fit the "fortune-teller" mental image.
 
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Mind actually spelling out the hows & whys instead of merely casting aspersions?

We've already demonstrated that the preconceived notion of what makes a prophet is mistaken, as we have numerous Biblical prophets that do not fit the "fortune-teller" mental image.

No one said that the only qualification of a prophet was to be a "fortune teller". What we are trying to determine is why your prophets have pretty much nothing in common with OT prophets, INCLUDING their ability to predict future events.
Amos spoke to the whole of Israel, all twelve families or tribes. Using the metaphor of a husband, the Lord reminded Israel that He had chosen no other (see Amos 3:2; Deuteronomy 7:6). He spoke of Himself as a faithful husband and reminded Israel of her covenant relationship with Him (see Jeremiah 3:19–20). In verse 3 He asked Israel to remember the need for unity in her relationship with Him. It is necessary, if they are to walk together, for them to be in agreement. The images are all chosen to express the same thing: God, has foreknowledge of all calamities (see vv. 2–6), but He never sends a calamity unless He first notifies His prophet of it (see v. 7; see also 2 Nephi 30:17; Jacob 4:8). Prophecy comes by direct revelation. God has knowledge of all His children and their doings and justly warns and threatens with His judgments. The fact that the prophets prophesy correctly is an indication that they are in communion with God and that they do indeed walk together.

Amos 3:7is a clear statement concerning the role of prophets. President N. Eldon Tanner said: “There are many scriptures which assure us that God is as interested in us today as he has been in all his children from the beginning, and thus we believe in continuous revelation from God through his prophets to guide us in these latter days. The Prophet Amos said, ‘Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.’” (In Conference Report, Apr. 1975, p. 52.)
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From LDS's own material:
God has knowledge of all His children and their doings and justly warns and threatens with His judgments. The fact that the prophets prophesy correctly is an indication that they are in communion with God and that they do indeed walk together.

So what's wrong with the LDS on this forum? They sit here and act like its ridiculous when we make the same claim.
 
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However, he is said, in the official description published by your church, to "foretell the future on occasion for the benefit of humanity". At that your prophets have a 0% success rate.

I think it is much more accurate to state that the contribution in this area by LDS prophets has a 0% recognition and acceptance rate from you. There is no way for you, or any of the critics, to actually know what directions and visions they have had from God and what they did with those visions. I will agree that there are no big carnival show declarations of prophetic visions coming from the LDS prophets. That sort of sensationalism is for sign-seekers.


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I think it is much more accurate to state that the contribution in this area by LDS prophets has a 0% recognition and acceptance rate from you. There is no way for you, or any of the critics, to actually know what directions and visions they have had from God and what they did with those visions. I will agree that there are no big carnival show declarations of prophetic visions coming from the LDS prophets. That sort of sensationalism is for sign-seekers.


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Was Micah a sign seeker, or a carny when he predicted Messiah would be born in Bethlehem? Is Isaiah 53 just fortune-teller rants?
 
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I think it is much more accurate to state that the contribution in this area by LDS prophets has a 0% recognition and acceptance rate from you.
Precisely. In order for LDS prophets to be prophets, as per the OP, they have to have predicted a "qualifying" event, which qualifications were provided by the OPer in follow-up posts to the OP. IE, the OPer determined in advance what "foretell the future for the benefit of mankind" means, apparently indifferent to the fact that the majority of those persons he considers "prophets" fail the same test.

I've lost count, though, of how many times we LDS have pointed this out.
 
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Precisely. In order for LDS prophets to be prophets, as per the OP, they have to have predicted a "qualifying" event, which qualifications were provided by the OPer in follow-up posts to the OP. IE, the OPer determined in advance what "foretell the future for the benefit of mankind" means, apparently indifferent to the fact that the majority of those persons he considers "prophets" fail the same test.

I've lost count, though, of how many times we LDS have pointed this out.

If only we didn't have your own church negating your spin tactics.

God has knowledge of all His children and their doings and justly warns and threatens with His judgments. The fact that the prophets prophesy correctly is an indication that they are in communion with God and that they do indeed walk together.

According to your church, God forewarns his children. Do you want to remind everyone just who are "His children"?

And where was the LDS god during WW1, WW2, 9/11 etc?

.....crickets
 
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If only we didn't have your own church negating your spin tactics.

According to your church, God forewarns his children.
And He does. At the time, and in the manner, of His choosing—not yours. And not mine. And not bbbbbbb's.
Do you want to remind everyone just who are "His children"?

And where was the LDS god during WW1, WW2, 9/11 etc?
Thank you for validating what I said in the post of mine that you're quoting!
 
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And He does. At the time, and in the manner, of His choosing—not yours. And not mine. And not bbbbbbb's.

Thank you for validating what I said in the post of mine that you're quoting!

Nice strawman. No one is saying that he has to do it because we say so. Simply holding your false prophets up to the light of the Bible and seeing how they fail.

God gave us the tests in the Bible so that His children would be protected against false prophets. And here are you and all the other LDS mocking God by belittling the standards that HE set! You need to repent!

I would LOVE to hear what LDS claim are the test for authenticity in a prophet. Let me guess. As long as he's Mormon then he's legit, right? Like a tent in a hurricane, your tests leave your people vulnerable. Shame on you.
 
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Was Micah a sign seeker, or a carny when he predicted Messiah would be born in Bethlehem? Is Isaiah 53 just fortune-teller rants?
No, they aren't. However, what OCs are doing in this thread is equating such Messianic prophecies with the prediction of specific natural disasters and terrorist attacks. Now, either the latter are on par with the former, or there is a double-standard being leveraged. You tell me which it is.
 
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Nice strawman. No one is saying that he has to do it because we say so.
That is precisely what one does when he says, "what about X event?" That is a man presuming to understand when God should have, or should not have, "warned His children." And in this thread, it is the OCs who are parading this kind of thinking.
Simply holding your false prophets up to the light of the Bible and seeing how they fail.
Bible prophets fail the standard you're employing.
God gave us the tests in the Bible so that His children would be protected against false prophets. And here are you and all the other LDS mocking God by belittling the standards that HE set! You need to repent!
I'm truly speechless.
I would LOVE to hear what LDS claim are the test for authenticity in a prophet. Let me guess. As long as he's Mormon then he's legit, right? Like a tent in a hurricane, your tests leave your people vulnerable. Shame on you.
I see no reason to respond when you ask a question and answer it yourself.
 
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