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LDS worship the true and living God, and the only God whose identity and nature is supported by the words of the prophets in scripture. This is not a popular position for us to take, but it is the only one we can, in good conscience, take.

You can keep repeating that all day long. It doesn't make it the truth.
 
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It is true because it is true, not because I say it. But again, I understand that it is not the popular view.

How did you conclude it is true?
 
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Not at all. Ask a question within the framework of the Restored Gospel and LDS can answer it.
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Agree with us and we can answer, is that the point?
 
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Not at all. The point is exactly what I stated. There is no need to complicate it with speculation.

This is a debate forum. Your proclamations are subject to questioning and analysis.
 
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This is a debate forum. Your proclamations are subject to questioning and analysis.
Here is what I said:
Ask a question within the framework of the Restored Gospel and LDS can answer it.
Seems like a pretty simple statement to me. Not terribly complicated. But if you'd like to analyze it, feel free.
 
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Not at all. Ask a question within the framework of the Restored Gospel and LDS can answer it. It's simple. (please see my signature for additional information)

I'll remember your requirements for future discussion, thanks. You'll have to forgive me, I'm used to discussing faith in an all encompassing way with Christians who hold nothing off limits. But now I know that your Mormonism is restricted to what boundaries you have set I'll try not to embarrass you with difficult questions that you are unprepared for. :)
 
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I'll remember your requirements for future discussion, thanks. You'll have to forgive me, I'm used to discussing faith in an all encompassing way with Christians who hold nothing off limits. But now I know that your Mormonism is restricted to what boundaries you have set I'll try not to embarrass you with difficult questions that you are unprepared for.
LOL, hardly. Your question to me was not "discussing faith in an all-encompassing way." You targeted the LDS religion by caricature and specifically and directly asked an LDS poster (me) to answer your question.

And your latest post is just more caricature and more assumption and more goading. Par for the course, I guess.
 
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LOL, hardly. Your question to me was not "discussing faith in an all-encompassing way." You targeted the LDS religion by caricature and specifically and directly asked an LDS poster (me) to answer your question.

And your latest post is just more caricature and more assumption and more goading. Par for the course, I guess.

Are you embarrassed about your beliefs? That's understandable. I'll be sure not to ask you anything that falls outside your comfort zone.

Which brings us back around to Steve's point "Agree with us and we can answer, is that the point?"

Yes, he summed up your stance perfectly. :)
 
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Are you embarrassed about your beliefs?
Not at all. I simply refuse to accept accountability for others' ignorance regarding the LDS religion. With near-predictable regularity here, OCs frame their questions about the LDS religion on the basis of their caricatured perception of it. LDS would be foolish indeed to attempt to answer such loaded questions.
That's understandable.
How can something that I have not agreed to be "understandable" to you? This is exactly what I'm talking about. People here ask questions and answer them themselves, and then try to goad the other guy into feeling "embarrassed" by the resulting straw man assertion. People must really think others to be idiots to fall for this sort of shallow debate tactic. Seriously.
I'll be sure not to ask you anything that falls outside your comfort zone.
Now you presume to know what my comfort zone is? LOL. Where does this clairvoyance come from?
Which brings us back around to Steve's point "Agree with us and we can answer, is that the point?"
No, that's not the point. The point is, if you're going to make assumptions about others' religions, you'd better bring a tall ladder—it's a safe bet that you'll end up digging yourself into a hole you can't climb out of.
Yes, he summed up your stance perfectly. :)
LOL, no. He certainly did not. He guessed. And he was wrong. He sure got you, though, it seems.
 
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On what basis do we worship a "false" god?

“As man now is, God once was; as God is now man may be.”
( The Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, ed. Clyde J. Williams [1984], 1.)
 
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Not at all. I simply refuse to accept accountability for others' ignorance regarding the LDS religion. With near-predictable regularity here, OCs frame their questions about the LDS religion on the basis of their caricatured perception of it. LDS would be foolish indeed to attempt to answer such loaded questions.
How can something that I have not agreed to be "understandable" to you? This is exactly what I'm talking about. People here ask questions and answer them themselves, and then try to goad the other guy into feeling "embarrassed" by the resulting straw man assertion. People must really think others to be idiots to fall for this sort of shallow debate tactic. Seriously.
Now you presume to know what my comfort zone is? LOL. Where does this clairvoyance come from?
No, that's not the point. The point is, if you're going to make assumptions about others' religions, you'd better bring a tall ladder—it's a safe bet that you'll end up digging yourself into a hole you can't climb out of.
LOL, no. He certainly did not. He guessed. And he was wrong. He sure got you, though, it seems.

All them words....so little said.

Like I said, you don't have to answer questions about your god if you don't want to. It's that simple. No need to go on and on and on making excuses for not answering a simple question. Just because the honest response to my question would expose your unbiblical views, there is no need to characterize me as having dubious motives. If you are unprepared to make a defense of your views perhaps your time would be better spent on a forum supporting your favorite hobby? Gardening perhaps? :)
 
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