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Speaking from my own experience, once one's religion moves
from tribalistic religious dogmatism to a full-on love-affair with the
King of the Universe, arguing about it will (possibly) be the last thing
one will want to do.
That's why, lately, it's been far less exhausting for me personally
to simply contribute my 2¢ -- preferably in no more than one post
per thread -- and then move on (immediately unsubscribing for
good measure so I'm not tempted to get sucked back into the
s̶q̶u̶a̶b̶b̶l̶e̶ discussion via those email notifications). I just share
whatever info I think might help and then drop it like a hot potato.
I've come away with the distinct (and hopefully mistaken)
impression that online debates aren't typically generated by
those who honestly want to learn anything from what others have
to say, but rather from outright debateaholics who thrive on the
drama that ensues. I'll admit there is something about that which
can be somewhat addictive.
Meh, to each their own.
"Let your religion be less of a theory and
more of a love affair." ~ Gilbert K. Chesterton
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Thank you for your input. I think you have shared wisdom with us today.
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Does that mean that you advocate that a person must adopt a specific set of beliefs in order to be saved? Please, don't be vague about the answer.
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1. The LDS love God. Period.
2. There is nothing in this chapter that indicates it applies to those who hold an orthodox view of God. That is something that you have added to Paul's words. In other words, you are presenting a differnt gospel than the one that Paul wrote.
Paul assumes that he's writing to those who worship the true God. He's not required to add "true" every time he mentions God. Mormons have a different god and a different Jesus than those who Paul is addressing. Therefore, my statement stands.
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Does that mean that you advocate that a person must adopt a specific set of beliefs in order to be saved? Please, don't be vague about the answer.
Off topic. Start a thread if you like.
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I find it interesting that rather than deal with the actual verse in question, the responses have been to compare the LDS to Hitler, make accusations that the LDS worship a false god, and to mock my requests to take off topic comments to another thread. The only ones who have dealt with the meaning of the verse have been the LDS.
Simply amazing.
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Simply amazing.
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but if anyone loves God, he is known by Him. (1 Corinthians‬ 8:3‬ NASB)
This is pretty straight forward. Jesus (the real one) said that many will come to Him that day, but He will say that He never knew them. So to be known by God (the real one) is the difference. You can say you love God, but He knows the truth.
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Comparing the LDS to Hitler. Nice.
If we want to go by common netiquette regarding Godwin's Law, it means that we win the thread by default.
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I didn't. I guess I win by default.
I don't see anywhere in the thread where someone claimed that you did.
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The verse doesn't mention anything about a person "saying" they love God. It is a very straight forward passage. Here it is again:
3. But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
It also doesn't state "but He knows the truth" either. Instead of addressing the verse as it appears you have altered it to: You can say you love God, but He knows the truth." It doesn't come anywhere close to meaning the same thing. Is this a change that you personally have made, or does this represent an alteration of the Bible that is accepted by all orthodox Christians?
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LDS worship the true and living God, and the only God whose identity and nature is supported by the words of the prophets in scripture. This is not a popular position for us to take, but it is the only one we can, in good conscience, take.
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Can you remind us again which god it is that you worship? Is it the father god? Or the holy spirit god? Or was it the son god? It isn't one of the other plethora of god's who each are ruling their own universes at this time, is it? So many gods, how does one decide which to worship?
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I have found this thread very educational about how the orthodox critics of the LDS approach their understanding of the verses in the Bible.
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1 Corinthians 8: 3
3. But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
Since the LDS love God and based on this verse that means we are known of Him, then what does it matter what we believe? For that matter, what does it matter what any of us believe? And if it doesn't matter then why is so much time spent arguing about all of it?
Because that is not the only verse in Scripture.
In John 8, Jesus identified Himself as "I AM," and said that any who don't believe that will die in their sins.
If you "love God," but don't believe that Jesus is not just the Son of God, but is Himself the very I AM, you are lost.
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Exactly. But apparently, if I had, that would mean that you won by default. Since I didn't, I win by default.
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There's no change, despite your subtle ad hom. My point is that anyone can love say that they love God. You say you love God, even though the god you love is false. So there are two things in view that are not helpful. One, just saying you love God ("many will come to me that day, etc"). Two, loving a false god.
We know from scripture that we love because He first loved us. So it's fair to say that since God knows us (believers in the true God), He first loved us. That's the cause of our belief. That's the cause of our love, since you cannot love someone you don't know. So us loving God is not the cause of Him knowing us. It's just the opposite.
Please try not to twist that up.
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