Pope Declares WAR on Fundamentalism...

JimR-OCDS said:

It's still has the appearance and characteristics of bread and wine.

Christ presence is in the species of bread and wine, which makes them his body and blood.



Jim

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yes...the appearance and accidents are still there...

LivingWordUnity said:

Most fundamentalists think that Catholics are going to hell for being Catholic. So it doesn't make sense to say that a fundamentalist would brag about being Catholic. The term "Catholic fundamentalist" is newly coined and ridiculous. Whomever made it up had zero knowledge of either Catholicism or fundamentalism or they would know that it's totally illogical to combine the word Catholic with fundamentalist.

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I would like to add that there are sedevacantist "catholics" who are unfaithful to Rome, they are considered "fundamentalists".

JimR-OCDS said:

It's still has the appearance and characteristics of bread and wine.

Christ presence is in the species of bread and wine, which makes them his body and blood.



Jim

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The appearance and characteristic are the "accidents". The matter is truly and completely changed. Christ's presence is not " in" the species.......the bread and wine are materially (and molecularly) changed into His flesh and blood

concretecamper said:

The appearance and characteristic are the "accidents". The matter is truly and completely changed. Christ's presence is not " in" the species.......the bread and wine are materially (and molecularly) changed into His flesh and blood

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No, we are not eating flesh and blood, this would make us cannibals.

Catholic Cannibals?

The charge of cannibalism does not hold water for at least three reasons. First, Catholics do not receive our Lord in a cannibalistic form. Catholics receive him in the form of bread and wine.

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You can read the entire thing here

Jim

JimR-OCDS said:

No, we are not eating flesh and blood, this would make us cannibals.

You can read the entire thing here

Jim

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I would encourage further study. Your view is Protestant. God Bless

concretecamper said:

I would encourage further study. Your view is Protestant. God Bless

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No it's not and I gave you the source from Catholic Answers which confirms what I said.

Christ is present in the form of bread and wine.

Christ body is alive in a glorified state, which is different than ordinary flesh and blood.

The Eucharist doesn't turn to human flesh and blood, except on rare occasions where a miracle happens, but when it does, we don't consume it

Jim

Needing_Grace said:

Bear in mind that there are Catholic fundamentalists as well and likely two or three here in OBOB. Of course, Catholic fundamentalists will say that there's no such thing. Riiiiight!

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Right. The flaw of fundamentalism is its over-simplistic black and white thinking. This skewed mentality can be found in the lunatic fringe of ANY group, including Catholics.

At any rate, my response was that if the Pope ever did declare war on Bible believing Christians, he would have declared war on the Catholic church itself. One of the flaws of fundamentalism is that they can't see any good in anyone they consider bad. Thus they cannot see that Catholics are also Bible believing. Sigh*

LivingWordUnity said:

The term "Catholic fundamentalist" actually makes no sense. It's a made up political slur for ridiculing any Christian who isn't towing the line for the left.

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Rediculous. Fundamentalism has nothing to do with Politics and the term is not used to refer to Conservatives.

JimR-OCDS said:

Anyway, Pastor Rick warren was asked what he thought about fundamentalism and what is a fundamentalist ?

His answer was right on.

He said, "a fundamentalist is a person who has stopped listening."

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I was going to write a paragraph or two about what fundamentalism is, but this captures its essence in one sentence.

JimR-OCDS said:

Anyway, Pastor Rick warren was asked what he thought about fundamentalism and what is a fundamentalist ?

His answer was right on.

He said, "a fundamentalist is a person who has stopped listening."

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This bears repeating. This is a problem I've seen all over the internet. In other circumstances, like the Crusades, all fundamentalists had to do was beat you in the head with a mace until you were dead. Even though that's illegal, and mostly impossible, over the internet, fundamentalists still persist in trying to club you into silence, relegating your opinions to liberalism or some other convenient dust bin, and hoping that, if they hit you in the head enough times with their club, you'll die and stop talking. But like I said, that's pretty hard to do through a computer screen.

JimR-OCDS said:

No, we are not eating flesh and blood, this would make us cannibals.

You can read the entire thing here

Jim

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"For my flesh is true flesh and my drink is true drink"

RileyG said:

"For my flesh is true flesh and my drink is true drink"

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Flesh in the species of bread, not in human skin.


Jim

Caedmon said:

This bears repeating. .

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How Ironic that Pastor Warren's statement would be proven in this very thread.


Jim

BTW, here's another point.

Christ's resurrection, was not a resuscitated body as he had prior.

His body was a glorified body, whatever that means.



Jim

RileyG said:

"For my flesh is true flesh and my drink is true drink"

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Jesus further elaborates when his followers struggled with his message.

Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[e] and life.

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Jesus is talking about the holy spirit. He is not talking about actually eating his flesh.


Jesus later says in Revelations:

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

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eastcoast_bsc said:

Jesus further elaborates when his followers struggled with his message.





Jesus is talking about the holy spirit. He is not talking about actually eating his flesh.


Jesus later says in Revelations:

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Hogwash. Enough said on that. Feel free to bring this up on the GT forum....you'll get some takers there.


Trent:

THE REAL PRESENCE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IN THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENT OF THE EUCHARIST

First of all, the holy council teaches and openly and plainly professes that after the consecration of bread and wine, our Lord Jesus Christ, true God and true man, is truly, really and substantially contained in the august sacrament of the Holy Eucharist under the appearance of those sensible things. For there is no repugnance in this that our Savior sits always at the right hand of the Father in heaven[3] according to the natural mode of existing, and yet is in many other places sacramentally present to us in His own substance by a manner of existence which, though we can scarcely express in words, yet with our understanding illumined by faith, we can conceive and ought most firmly to believe is possible to God.[4] For thus all our forefathers, as many as were in the true Church of Christ and who treated of this most holy sacrament, have most openly professed that our Redeemer instituted this wonderful sacrament at the last supper, when, after blessing the bread and wine, He testified in clear and definite words that He gives them His own body and His own blood. Since these words, recorded by the holy Evangelists[5] and afterwards repeated by St. Paul,[6] embody that proper and clearest meaning in which they were understood by the Fathers, it is a most contemptible action on the part of some contentious and wicked men to twist them into fictitious and imaginary tropes by which the truth of the flesh and blood of Christ is denied, contrary to the universal sense of the Church, which, as the pillar and ground of truth,[7] recognizing with a mind ever grateful and unforgetting this most excellent favor of Christ, has detested as satanical these untruths devised by impious men

eastcoast_bsc said:

Jesus further elaborates when his followers struggled with his message.





Jesus is talking about the holy spirit. He is not talking about actually eating his flesh.


Jesus later says in Revelations:

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Hmmm....I always thought the Jewish people had STRICT rules about not touching blood otherwise they would be impure etc so when Our Blessed Lord taught about the Holy Eucharist in John 6 they were beyond terrified. He remains steadfast about the teaching.

RileyG said:

I would like to add that there are sedevacantist "catholics" who are unfaithful to Rome, they are considered "fundamentalists".

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They certainly have a lot of the form of fundamentalism.

You have your solo scriptura (not sola scriptura, solo scriptura) fundamentalists and then you have your sola traditio (by tradition alone) fundamentalists. These would be the sedevacantists and other catholics who disregard anything happening after 1969 as evil.

Needing_Grace said:

They certainly have a lot of the form of fundamentalism.

You have your solo scriptura (not sola scriptura, solo scriptura) fundamentalists and then you have your sola traditio (by tradition alone) fundamentalists. These would be the sedevacantists and other catholics who disregard anything happening after 1969 as evil.

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What's the difference between Solo Scriptura and Sola Scriptura?
What is Sola Tradito?

[I've NEVER see a Catholic use "Sola Scriptura" or "Solo Scriptura" or "Solo Traditio" whether faithful to Rome or not.....]

RileyG;

[I've NEVER see a Catholic use "Sola Scriptura" or "Solo Scriptura" or "Solo Traditio" whether faithful to Rome or not.....]

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At 18 years of age, there's a lot you haven't seen yet.



Jim