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I see you used and upper case "C" in church. How do you define..."church"?
The bride of Christ, built by Christ, which is led by the apostles and their successors.
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I see you used and upper case "C" in church. How do you define..."church"?
Exactly. It's NOT a Biblical definition. It is a church decree of a serious doctrinal error, but what may make the grade at one point in time may not be considered a heresy at another.The initial question seems based on a misconception. It asked what is a heresy Biblically. But heresy as it's used now is a term based on widely accept Christianity theology, not Biblical standards.
The bride of Christ, built by Christ, which is led by the apostles and their successors.
The KJV says
Titus 3:8-11 KJV(8) This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.Look up verse 10 in several modern translations and you'll have a fairly good grasp of what a heretic is.
(9) But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
(10) A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
(11) Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
What beliefs and what criteria has to be met in order to be considered a "heretic"?
That's not the POV held by your church, however, and I think it's fortunate that this is so. There's enough divisiveness as it is.
Heresy-unorthodox religious opinion: an opinion or belief that contradicts established religious teaching, especially one that is officially condemned by a religious authority.
If I believe Catholicism is the Orthodoxy then anything that goes against the established doctrines would be heretical.
If a Non-Catholic accepts the essential tenets of Christianity as defined in the Nicene Creed then I accept them as a Christian and would not call them a heretic unless they held some other wild belief. Although they meet the basic definition of a heretic, I reserve that word for major heresies like the denial of the trinity. If they hold a major heresy like that then they are not Christians in my mind.
Well, yeah, it is pretty much their attitude Albion. The only break they give other christians is if they are of ignorant and uninformed. How do you think they got so many numbers in the first place?
Not so. "Heresy" is explicitly about major or substantial departures from the approved doctrines, NOT (as 'football' said) a belief that "contradicts religious teaching."
Again, maybe I'm taking note of a technical error that no one else cares about and I will shortly be the recipient of a lot of outraged criticism. But that IS the whole point of the thread--what constitutes a heresy.
I suppose that's possible, yes.
You already stipulated that they were heresies.
The KJV says
Titus 3:8-11 KJV(8) This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.Look up verse 10 in several modern translations and you'll have a fairly good grasp of what a heretic is.
(9) But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
(10) A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
(11) Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
I am not sure what your stated objection is intended to mean. Please explain.Yes, but it's not the same as the usual Christian definition. Paul, and also in this case pseudo-Paul, tried to get people to avoid the kinds of divisive conflicts that resulted in most of the definitions of orthodoxy and heresy. I would argue that from a Biblical point of view both sides of those debates, and those who sanctioned the whole system of requiring detailed doctrinal conformity, were heretics in the sense in which it is defined by this passage.
The Christian tradition stood Paul on his head. Paul said "avoid divisive arguments." The tradition says "anyone who disagrees with me is being divisive by insisting on their heretical belief." This is *NOT* the same thing.
HERESY is the obstinate denial after Baptism of a truth which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith.