Orthodox Christian Prophecies

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What was the last major event of worldwide consequence* that was prophesied** by a prophet of the Orthodox Christian persuasion?

*A "major event of worldwide consequence" would be something like a natural disaster or terrorist attack, etc. Something like the major earthquake/tsunami that devastated Japan, the earthquake/tsunami in Dec. 2004, or the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001.

** "Prophesied" means that, at a minimum, 1) the date of the event, its major players (nations, military groups, etc.) and location, were specifically predicted, 2) the prophesier had no connections of consequence to the event or the participants nor any man-provided information of any kind relative to it, and 3) the event actually happened 4) as was predicted.
 

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I'm pretty sure the orthodox Christians will get around to answering... eventually. I mean, there must be hundreds of such instances, what with the level of fault-finding we see here being cast toward LDS prophets. After all, no Christian would find fault with his neighbor without cause. The only logical reason, then, for the criticism, is that orthodox Christian prophets are superior to LDS prophets in their ability to prophesy. And just think of the countless lives their prophecies have saved. I'm all geared up to be blown away by the final tally. That said, I am also interested in understanding why their prophets didn't warn the victims of those three calamities mentioned in the OP, among others. Seems like a prophet, if he were a prophet at all, would go out of his way to predict the "big" disasters.
 
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There have been none...mainline Christianity doesn't exactly think there are modern day prophets in the Biblical sense able to fortell the future. But then mainline Christianity generally rejects millenialism in most forms. Those been proven wrong time and again. Generally, they've that don't read all sorts of end times phenomena in Revelations and ascribe it to modern events.

You have a straight out answer to your question...now maybe you can head back to the question regarding LDS Prophets and answer in a similar fashion?
 
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There have been none...mainline Christianity doesn't exactly think there are modern day prophets in the Biblical sense able to fortell the future.
This is the majority view among Trinitarian Christians?

What do those who believe this way generally claim is the reason God no longer reveals to man future events?

You have a straight out answer to your question...now maybe you can head back to the question regarding LDS Prophets and answer in a similar fashion?
I gave a straight and direct answer to the OP, although it did not appear to me, at any point during the thread, that any response was needed from LDS in the first place. The OP sought only to validate a foregone conclusion.
 
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This is the majority view among Trinitarian Christians?

What do those who believe this way generally claim is the reason God no longer reveals to man future events?

Yep, although based on most media coverage you'd think otherwise.

All of prophecy existed to point to Jesus. Once the church was established and the canon of Scripture was completed, there was no longer any need for further prophecy.

"Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away." -1 Cor. 13:8-10 ESV
 
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What was the last major event of worldwide consequence* that was prophesied** by a prophet of the Orthodox Christian persuasion?

Name an orthodox Christian denomination that has an office of "prophet" similar to the lds position.

*highly doubts that anyone will answer*
 
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Yep, although based on most media coverage you'd think otherwise.

All of prophecy existed to point to Jesus. Once the church was established and the canon of Scripture was completed, there was no longer any need for further prophecy.

"Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away." -1 Cor. 13:8-10 ESV
All prophecy (the foretelling of future events) pointed to Jesus? ALL prophecy?
 
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The events that pointed to Jesus led to Jesus. We study those prophecies sure, but in the sense they have been fufilled. But for us, prophecy isn't a needed tool any longer. We have the Scriptures, the church, we have the ascended Jesus. We don't need to prophecies to bring us back from evil any longer, like they did prior to Jesus. We have Jesus himself, who gave us tools to repair our relationship with God.

As for the non-mainline christians....they read into the texts and fortell the end times and the second coming and in my opinion preach a gospel of fear rather then the gospel of Christ. And as well, most end-times "prophecy" as it has existed in the non-mainline church has been proven false time and again.
 
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This is the majority view among Trinitarian Christians?

What do those who believe this way generally claim is the reason God no longer reveals to man future events?


I gave a straight and direct answer to the OP, although it did not appear to me, at any point during the thread, that any response was needed from LDS in the first place. The OP sought only to validate a foregone conclusion.
Revelation in a very hidden poetic way describes the destruction of the Roman Empire. Rome would really have persecuted the Christian even more severely if they could read and understand Revelation. The next great even will be the second coming of Christ and that is what we should concentrate on and look forward to.

There is also the issue of man’s need for faith. If today, we could scientifically proof a Biblical protection happen in a very specific sense than people would have “knowledge” that the Christian Bible God must be real, yet knowledge is not what man needs, since man needs faith (trust) and the trust in the existence of a benevolent Creator is the simplest of all faiths. Knowledge on the other hand can puff the person up and make the person even more self-reliant as compared to trusting in a benevolent Creator which is a humbling experience.
 
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The events that pointed to Jesus led to Jesus. We study those prophecies sure, but in the sense they have been fufilled. But for us, prophecy isn't a needed tool any longer. We have the Scriptures, the church, we have the ascended Jesus. We don't need to prophecies to bring us back from evil any longer, like they did prior to Jesus. We have Jesus himself, who gave us tools to repair our relationship with God.

As for the non-mainline christians....they read into the texts and fortell the end times and the second coming and in my opinion preach a gospel of fear rather then the gospel of Christ. And as well, most end-times "prophecy" as it has existed in the non-mainline church has been proven false time and again.
So if God were to communicate to you today that an event of huge significance to a group of people were going to occur within a certain time frame or on a certain date, would that revelation be suspect to you?
 
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Speaking for myself, it would be rather suspect IMO cause, the Holy Spirit doesn't generally push me into massive revelations that affect more then myself, understanding contained within Scripture yes for example if I have to fill in for the priest as leader of service but generally it's more personal revelations the Spirit moves me to.
 
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Speaking for myself, it would be rather suspect IMO cause, the Holy Spirit doesn't generally push me into massive revelations that affect more then myself, understanding contained within Scripture yes for example if I have to fill in for the priest as leader of service but generally it's more personal revelations the Spirit moves me to.
So what would make that revelation suspect, in your mind, is not that it does not "point" directly to Christ, but that you are not accustomed to having God work through you in that way? Is that an accurate statement?
 
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It's an accurate statement that God generally doesn't work that way through me. but, it would not just be that but the history of failed "prophecy" through others, such as the Millerite movement and the subsequent breakdown of that movement into other, non-traditional Christian groups.
 
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It's an accurate statement that God generally doesn't work that way through me. but, it would not just be that but the history of failed "prophecy" through others, such as the Millerite movement and the subsequent breakdown of that movement into other, non-traditional Christian groups.
But suppose God really did want to work through you, in spite of others' failed prophecies or the fact that, to-date, God has only given you revelations of a personally pertinent nature—would the revelation itself be suspect to you on any other bases other than those you've listed already? (no personal precedent, and failed prophesies of others)
 
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Originally Posted by The Conductor
Yep, although based on most media coverage you'd think otherwise.

All of prophecy existed to point to Jesus. Once the church was established and the canon of Scripture was completed, there was no longer any need for further prophecy.
"Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away." -1 Cor. 13:8-10 ESV

All prophecy (the foretelling of future events) pointed to Jesus? ALL prophecy?
And also to the fall of OC Jerusalem in AD70 :preach:
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, t He went from the Temple, and His Disciples came toward Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple
2 and Jesus is saying to them "Not ye see all these?
Amen I am saying to ye, not no be being left here stone upon stone, which not shall be being thrown down" [Mark 21:5]

.......The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins............

Reve 14:8
And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great,
[Isaiah 21:9/Jeremiah 51:8]
Isaiah 21:9
"And look, here comes a chariot of men [with] a pair of horsemen!"
Then he answered and said, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen!



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[/indent]And also to the fall of OC Jerusalem in AD70 :preach:
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, t He went from the Temple, and His Disciples came toward Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple
2 and Jesus is saying to them "Not ye see all these?
Amen I am saying to ye, not no be being left here stone upon stone, which not shall be being thrown down" [Mark 21:5]

.......The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins............

Reve 14:8
And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great,
[Isaiah 21:9/Jeremiah 51:8]
So there is no Biblical prophecy, in your mind, but what directly prophesies of Christ?
 
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So there is no Biblical prophecy, in your mind, but what directly prophesies of Christ?
What could be more important than the fulfillment of Christ's birth, preaching the Gospel, His crucifixion and death, resurrection and ascension into heaven?

1Co 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified:
a stumbling block to Jews[and Mormons?] and foolishness to Gentiles,


1Co 2:2
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.


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