Catholicism is not Christianity?

StRestlessHeart333 said:

In my understanding, everyone who believes in the Holy Trinity is a Christian.

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It depends on how the define words like "Trinity" "Jesus" and "Baptism". There are some who have unorthodox definitions of these words. But if they believe in and practice these basic elements of Christianity in an orthodox way then they are Christian.

UnmaskedHearts said:

In my view, what makes you a Christian is just professing faith in Jesus Christ and believing he is who he said he was and the message he brought. All the rest is just decoration.

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Satan knew Christ is Lord and Savior...

Nani-Day said:

Yes, it always seemed like a crazy question to me. I can understand why some protestants may say it, but ive heard catholics proudly distinguishing themselves from the group by saying "im not a Christian, im catholic"

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Must be uninformed Catholics. Cultural Catholics. There are cultural Americans, cultural Jews and Cultural Catholics. Someone born into it who doesn't appreciate what it means to be one. (and I'm not disparaging anyone...my own wife is Catholic and doesn't know her faith very well. I've been Catholic 8 years now, and I teach her things. But she's a naturalized American, and she teaches me things about being American, even though I know a lot about it...)

Root of Jesse said:

Satan knew Christ is Lord and Savior...

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What are you getting at?

UnmaskedHearts said:

What are you getting at?

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That he believed, but was not saved.

It's funny how many people think all you have to do is believe.....

What are you getting at?

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Matthew 7:21 - "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

Actually this leaves me curious, do Protestants remove Matthew 7:21 from their Bibles? I can't imagine how someone could believe in faith without works after reading this piece of scripture.

I've never heard a Catholic claim Catholics weren't Christians. To answer the question, Catholics believe Jesus died for sinners, they believe in the trinity and they believe Jesus was born of a virgin, which are Christian teachings.

I was raised Catholic and have my disagreements with some of the RCC's teachings but generally they are Christian. Your church denomination doesn't make you a Christian. Jesus does. If a Catholic trusts Jesus' death and resurrection for his/her salvation and follows His teachings, they are a Christian.

I find it hilarious in a sad sort of way, that the Catholic Church is responsible for the Bible (missing books left out) that they, Protestants use to declare we are not Christian. And how many hundred of years went by from the beginning of the Catholic Church till the Protestants finally show up?
Makes me wanta say, If we aren't Christians then give us back that Bible you're carrying. I haven't said that yet. I figure that those who claim Catholics aren't Christian are just ignorant of history.

As I understand Luther he chose not to accept the Septuagint but accepted for the OT cannon the one defined by the pharisees. He had some doubts about some of the NT cannon as well even though it was set out in the early church councils. If he found that any book disagreed with his ideas he simply said it was wrong and non scriptural, eg Epistle of James.

So what can be said is that protestants do not accept the FULL gospel.

More significantly Protestants - through Luthers and later Calvinistic and Szwinglian interpretations - do not accept the real presence in the Host ie transubstantiation. The nearest is the Anglican CONsubstantiation.

Are we all christian - we all call Christ Lord!!!

This is Nicene, Trinitarian message board. This is a Catholic sub-board. Christianity is defined by more that simply calling Christ "LORD".

freedom1234 said:

Are we all christian - we all call Christ Lord!!!

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I guess every group of Christians is going to charge each other wish ignorance of history when it really gets down to it. Protestants are going to tell Catholics that they're ignorant because the super early primitive Church was organized differently with the roles of episkopos and presbyteros being somewhat interchangeable and poorly-defined while liturgy was less defined and structured, worship in homes and no vestments, etc. Then Orthodox Christians would say Catholics are ignorant of history because the Church was plainly conciliar and not papally-driven nor was the pope seen as he is now. Then Catholics would tell Orthodox they're ignorant of history because the Popes played such a major role in heresies being fought and so many times people yielded to them and deferred. Catholics reject Anglican orders as valid but accept Orthodox, Orthodox have a huge question mark regarding Catholic orders, all three reject Protestant authority and 'orders' and Protestants (some) reject all episcopally-run churches as boloney.

There's a lot of ignorance of history claims out there. I guess it just depends on your conviction as to whether your team is the "real deal" or not.

Tigg said:

I find it hilarious in a sad sort of way, that the Catholic Church is responsible for the Bible (missing books left out) that they, Protestants use to declare we are not Christian. And how many hundred of years went by from the beginning of the Catholic Church till the Protestants finally show up?
Makes me wanta say, If we aren't Christians then give us back that Bible you're carrying. I haven't said that yet. I figure that those who claim Catholics aren't Christian are just ignorant of history.

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South Bound said:

Actually, it isn't that Protestants "removed" seven books, it's that Protestants chose not to canonize seven non-canonical books.

The Catholic Church, itself, did not even declare them a part of the canon until 1546.

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The Church listed the same canon of books for the Holy Bible at several different councils through the centuries before the council of Trent. And it always included those 7 books.Therefore, the books were always a part of the Christian Bible before Protestants first appeared in the 16th century. Neither Luther nor the other Protestant leaders had authority to remove those 7 books. The only authority the leaders of the Protestant Revolution referred to in doing this was the authority that they gave to themselves and the authority of the Pharisees who had rejected those 7 books but who had also rejected Jesus.

I am convinced that my "team" is the real deal.

A scattered team: a mixture of the "Gnosticism" of Ptolemey (2nd century), Mennonite and Catholicism:

gurneyhalleck1 said:

I guess it just depends on your conviction as to whether your team is the "real deal" or not.

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FlaviusAetius said:

Matthew 7:21 - "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

Actually this leaves me curious, do Protestants remove Matthew 7:21 from their Bibles? I can't imagine how someone could believe in faith without works after reading this piece of scripture.

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LOL. This is not the only verse that contradicts Protestant teachings. There are many others. What about 1 Timothy 3:15? "...This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth."!!!
Yet they do not believe that the church has any authority. What about the book of Revelation that speaks about Mary about her being the Arch of the New Covenant and about how we (the followers of Jesus) are her offspring? John chapter 6 when Jesus talks about how serious he was about the Eucharist? Have they removed all these verses from their Bible?

And after following all these teaching from that are proved Biblically we are not considered Christians? (Shakes head).

Well, of course you are! You wouldn't remain Catholic if you thought otherwise! I respectfully disagree and will stick with my ball club! Our logo is a beard with incense!

Tigg said:

I am convinced that my "team" is the real deal.

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In other words---bipolar Christendom with a touch of multiple personalities disorder spiritually!

Unix said:

A scattered team: a mixture of the "Gnosticism" of Ptolemey (2nd century), Mennonite and Catholicism:

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gurneyhalleck1 said:

I respectfully disagree and will stick with my ball club! Our logo is a beard with incense!

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haha

it is humorous when people ask if one is Catholic or Christian? It is a grave misunderstanding by some sects of Protestantism, primarily non-denominational that seek to misrepresent the Catholic Church.