Hate Of Yeshua Within The Judaism

yonah_mishael said:

100 soldiers?! That's simply an exaggeration. As it is, only Matthew reports that any type of guard was placed at the tomb - and it seems to be a convenient addition to the story. I don't imagine that there was really a seal or a guard at the tomb. These are polemic contrivances on the part of the author of the gospel of Matthew. You won't find them anywhere else - because it's a lie.

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To say a man has lied because he alone gives witness is a great rudeness. However without two are more to witness his account can not be confirmed. As to historical witness the way was considered by most to be just a sect of Judaism. Simply put why would they care. It was not untill later that the way would spread outside of Judea. As to the witness of Jewish sources the ten to twelve authors of what is called the NT are more sources than can be sighted for the events of Hosea's ministry. The fact that those who disagreed with this way did not record its history is no more proof than Egyptian history not recording the Exodus. Let it be said I am speaking of historic writtings and would in no other way compare Gods elect to that nation of that time.

yonah_mishael said:

100 soldiers?! That's simply an exaggeration. As it is, only Matthew reports that any type of guard was placed at the tomb - and it seems to be a convenient addition to the story. I don't imagine that there was really a seal or a guard at the tomb. These are polemic contrivances on the part of the author of the gospel of Matthew. You won't find them anywhere else - because it's a lie.

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I think that's placing way too much confidence on one's personal opinion.

Cut to the chase- the story- like every other story in the Bible is either non-verifiable or non-falsifiable or both.

It's a matter of faith. For me, this is a no brainer. People resist the Gospel because they just can't face the idea that God demands them to change their ways, and in turn they will do whatever they have to to keep the status quo. I know because I did it for years. The amount of nonsense I engaged in to avoid acknowledging my own sin and the need for forgiveness is mind boggling. I regret the time, energy and stress I wasted on fighting God.

One thing I know, only the Holy Spirit can reveal these things to anyone. I believe the Gospel because I know it in my heart, and this by way of miracle. When I was in your side of the camp I was arguing about texts and sources, comfortable and even proud of my wanton, selfish life and all I saw was lies in the Torah, the Prophets and all the sages and "tzadikkim". To be honest, it was the NT that turned me around. I didn't need to "prove" it, it proved itself. Reading the NT saved my life and brought me back to God.

So it was coming to faith in Yeshua that established the authority of the Torah for you?

If someone refuses to believe in Jesus, CM is telling me, it is because he is immoral and doesn't want to face the fact. Is this how I should understand what you just wrote?

People resist the Gospel because they just can't face the idea that God demands them to change their ways, and in turn they will do whatever they have to to keep the status quo.

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I reject it because it is false.

ContraMundum said:

I think that's placing way too much confidence on one's personal opinion.

Cut to the chase- the story- like every other story in the Bible is either non-verifiable or non-falsifiable or both.

It's a matter of faith. For me, this is a no brainer. People resist the Gospel because they just can't face the idea that God demands them to change their ways, and in turn they will do whatever they have to to keep the status quo. I know because I did it for years. The amount of nonsense I engaged in to avoid acknowledging my own sin and the need for forgiveness is mind boggling. I regret the time, energy and stress I wasted on fighting God.

One thing I know, only the Holy Spirit can reveal these things to anyone. I believe the Gospel because I know it in my heart, and this by way of miracle. When I was in your side of the camp I was arguing about texts and sources, comfortable and even proud of my wanton, selfish life and all I saw was lies in the Torah, the Prophets and all the sages and "tzadikkim". To be honest, it was the NT that turned me around. I didn't need to "prove" it, it proved itself. Reading the NT saved my life and brought me back to God.

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First you say it's a matter of faith but then, in the exact same sentence, you generalize by saying we resist the gospel because we can't accept that G-d wants us to change.

I'm taking a leap of faith by one day converting to Orthodox Judaism. I believe I am changing for the better just like you did when you accepted Jesus as your god. I put god in lower case letters because he is not my god. Your faith works for you, and mine for me.

G-d bless.

yonah_mishael said:

If someone refuses to believe in Jesus, CM is telling me, it is because he is immoral and doesn't want to face the fact. Is this how I should understand what you just wrote?

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I think anyone who refuses to believe in God ultimately does so because of their sin- and I think you would have to agree if you looked deep. Yes. For me, it took Jesus to turn that around.

I reject it because it is false.

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I accept it because it is true, and it takes a lot of balls to do that in the current cynical anti-religious climate. I don't have a lot of admiration for cynics or higher critics these days. Their contribution to the world is largely negative.

What I find sad is to see you fall for the hypocrisy of your own argument. Apply the same blow-torch to the Torah and you'd likewise have to dismiss it on the same basis. Ultimately, a person in depseration of not rejecting God's Word outright will pick the argument that feeds the ego the most- the pride of Jewish nationalism, or "identity" which is nothing but hot air and a prelude to prejudice and worse, seems to be the ultimate underlying excuse the anti-Missionaries use to reject the NT. All the sophistry and mental acrobatics is just a desperate act to hide behind without logic, facts or the Spirit of God.

The reality is that all this circus amounts to is largely just a humanist urge to maintain the status quo. Apply the blow torch to the Tanakh, and you end up with nothing at all. Nada. Zip. It's all lies. So, better to be inconsistent and pick the religion that makes one feel good about oneself as long as it doesn't challenge the self too much? Yeah, we've seen that more than once.

UnmaskedHearts said:

First you say it's a matter of faith but then, in the exact same sentence, you generalize by saying we resist the gospel because we can't accept that G-d wants us to change.

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Right. The two are linked.

I'm taking a leap of faith by one day converting to Orthodox Judaism.

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You may find that it's mainly hype. I think it is. I'm not convinced more rules and restriction is how one finds peace with God.