2 Thessalonians 2:4 Geography Question

Han,
The apostle who said "Christ our Paschal is sacrificed for us" did not insist on people observing the feast. The whole point of the statement was that people who behaved right sexually and shared their food together across cultural and income lines were "keeping the feast". you are forcing that statement back into only what it meant in Judaism.

Old Timer said:

Hannibal, you're obviously so full of yourself and daq that the only thing left to say is enjoy yourselves..

We're not going to hear it or understand it anyway.. You know, all the elitist crap you're so full of..

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It's not very hard to understand, you either stand against everything that is called of God or that is worshipped, or you stand with God.


Everything that is called of God or that is worshipped is the law and the worship system of God.


So it's not surprising when people stand against me when I defend everything that is called of God or that is worshipped.


It is what it is.


It's not surprising to me that people wouldn't understand.


If you stand against everything that is called of God or that is worshipped, what happens in that same passage?


You are given over to what you want to believe, and so people like me who stand with everything that is called of God or that is worshipped, must be crazy.

HannibalFlavius said:

Jesus came to make one man out of two men.

Gentiles converted to Judaism and Christianity became a legal sect of Judaism for over 100 years.

The plan went accordingly to the brotherhood which was made in the adoption of gentiles to become coheirs with Jews.

Gentiles stayed loyal to Jews for 100 years, they went to stand outside the temple with Jews when it was standing and Christianity attended synagogue with Jews until Rome had no other choice but to try and separate them.


The Jews who didn't believe in Jesus really didn't want the gentiles in their synagogues and Rome knew that all of Rome was becoming Christian, and they knew if they didn't separate the gentile from the Jew, that the whole world would go on keeping the feasts of Jesus in Jerusalem.

It is in Roman records and Jewish records, because a religion could not operate unless they were a legal religion, and so Christianity was just another sect of Judaism.



When the great synagogue was burned in 135 A.D. Rome saw it as a chance to blame the fire on Gentile Christians and so they split, and made a deal with Hadrian.


Then there was laws made against anyone who followed Jesus in his feasts.


You want to stop being a Pagan and believe in only one God now?

You take Jesus as your Passover and decide that you would rather die than abandon Jesus.

So you keep the Passover in truth and in spirit, and what did the Christians do to you for following Jesus?


They killed you, but not only you, they would kill your kids in front of you and then kill you.


In the beginning there were many very righteous gentiles who gave up all other Gods, and they went to their death because they would not give into Pagan ways anymore, they proclaimed there was one god now, and they died staying loyal to Jesus.


But 100 years after Jesus died, CHRISTIANS began killing Christians, and the laws against following Jesus in his feast became even more dangerous, but the righteous gave their lives, being tortured and killed by Christians who hated the commandments of God.


Are these the people who carried on the spirit?


Pagan Christians killing gentile Christians for following Christ and refusing to involve themselves in the worship of any other Gods.


Christians persecuting and killing all God's people and for what?

For staying loyal to God.


So we have 2000 years of history showing Christianity persecuting and killing anyone who would keep the worship system of God.




Are you unaware that Christianity was a sect of Judaism?


Are you unaware that Jesus is the Passover lamb, but to believe this and to practice this brought death, and the people who would kill you claimed to be Christians?


Christianity made following God illegal by punishment of death.


Am I to believe the spirit was carried on by these people killing the people of God?


There used to be no difference between Jew and Gentile when the gentile became coheirs, but this is not so today, and it has not been true for 2000 years.

Once the gentile departed from Judaism and from God's people in a brotherhood, that same brotherhood was broken, and the gentile created his own religion with his own worship system based in Babylon.

There was no difference between the Jew and the Gentile in the first church, but there is certainly a difference now, and the two are no longer one, and how could they be when one kills the other?

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Typically, Christians use the Bible to assert their claims.

If you look at any number of my posts, you will notice that the Bible is used to convey a point.

You see, Jesus quoted the scriptures for a reason.


Everything you say is subjective to me without the Bible to back you up.



Sorry

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Interplanner said:

Han,
The apostle who said "Christ our Paschal is sacrificed for us" did not insist on people observing the feast. The whole point of the statement was that people who behaved right sexually and shared their food together across cultural and income lines were "keeping the feast". you are forcing that statement back into only what it meant in Judaism.

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Paul himself told us to keep the Passover in truth and in spirit, and how can we teach a Passover lamb while denying the Passover lamb?


But the point is not that you keep all the laws of the Passover, and the point is not that you go to Jerusalem to keep the feast every year.

The point is that you come out of the ways of the world and now you will accept only one God and only his ways.

These feast are all shadows of things to come, and in keeping them, you learn what we are waiting and hoping in.


But let's say that you don't keep the feast at all, no big deal, I mean you may be caught like Jesus is breaking into your house like a thief because you don't know the times and seasons of the appointed visitation days, but no big deal, you have salvation.


But that's not even the point.


The point is that you walk away from your old Pagan ways, and you refuse to involve yourself in the worship of other Gods.


You convert.

Do you know what it means to convert to a religion Dude?


What does one do if he convert to Islam?

He takes on all the Sabbaths and feast days of Islam and this alone defined anyone.



But not only did Christianity depart from the ways of Jesus, and not only did they convert back to their former pagan ways, but now they went about killing anyone who would dare to follow Jesus in truth and in spirit of his own feast days.


Now they keep the ways of Babylon, persecuting people who wont convert to the ways of Babylon, and for 2000 years, you want to follow Jesus in his feast days?

Sorry, Christianity is going to hate you, is going to persecute you, is going to kill your children, and going to kill you.

Why?

Because you just wanted to stay loyal to the Messiah and to his father's ways.


And now the people who do follow Jesus, and have the testimony of Jesus and who keep the commandments of God are called,'' evil.''

By Christians who claim they follow Jesus.

OneAccordRM said:

Typically, Christians use the Bible to assert their claims.

If you look at any number of my posts, you will notice that the Bible is used to convey a point.

You see, Jesus quoted the scriptures for a reason.


Everything you say is subjective to me without the Bible to back you up.



Sorry

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

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So tell us all.


What does it mean to stand against all that is called of God or that is worshipped?


What does it mean that the followers of Jesus have now converted to the Babylonian mysteries and the feast days of the Babylonian Messiah?



What does it mean ?

OneAccordRM said:

Ive never met a Christian who talks the way you do.


No offense, but your Jewish bias is apparent.

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I am not a Jew, and I am biased towards the commandments of God and the feast days of his son. Those 7 feast days have 7 missions and I hope in the promises of all of them.


But why am I so backwards as to be brave enough to stand with the worship system of Christ?

Why am I looked at as if I am deceived and one who has fallen away?


The falling away from Torah has taken place, and people are given strong delusion to believe the lie.


But if I stand with Jesus and his feast days, the Christian hates me.


If I refuse to take on Pagan Babylonian feast days and traditions, I am looked at like I was a person deceived, but who has deceived me?

OneAccordRM said:

This gets better and better.


Have you been to heaven?

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No, but I am aware that a war is taking place, and there are princes and principalities of the air fighting for my soul.


There is a war taking place within my being, and believe it or not, I AM the kingdom of heaven, it is within me.

OneAccordRM said:

Typically, Christians use the Bible to assert their claims.

If you look at any number of my posts, you will notice that the Bible is used to convey a point.

You see, Jesus quoted the scriptures for a reason.


Everything you say is subjective to me without the Bible to back you up.



Sorry

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

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How about historical fact?


None of it matters?


It doesn't matter that Christianity was a legal sect of Judaism?

I guess those 2000 years of killing people for following the commandments of God have no place?

Originally Posted by Old Timer

Hannibal, you're obviously so full of yourself and daq that the only thing left to say is enjoy yourselves..

We're not going to hear it or understand it anyway.. You know, all the elitist crap you're so full of..
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They are MJs and practice Mosaic OC Judaism, including the keeping of the Jewish Sabbath, the food laws, circumcision, the feast day, etc. So they are not of mainstream Christianity today.

Just don't let 'em try to proselytize ya into their sect

2 Corin 6:17
wherefore come-forth out of midst of them![OC Judaism] and be being separated! is saying Lord
and an unclean-thing no ye be touching! and I shall be accepting ye

Revelation 14:11
And the Smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.......... [Luke 16:24,26]

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Revelation 18:4
And I hear another voice out of the heaven saying "come forth! out of Her [OC Judea/Jerusalem] My people..............

Reve 19:3
And a second-time they have declared "allelouia and the Smoke of Heris ascending into the Ages of the Ages".

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http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7322927
2 Corin 6 and the "them" question




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LittleLambofJesus said:

They are MJs and practice Mosaic OC Judaism, including the keeping of the Jewish Sabbath, the food laws, circumcision, the feast day, etc. So they are not of mainstream Christianity today.

Just don't let 'em try to proselytize ya into their sect

2 Corin 6:17
wherefore come-forth out of midst of them![OC Judaism] and be being separated! is saying Lord
and an unclean-thing no ye be touching! and I shall be accepting ye

Revelation 18:4
And I hear another voice out of the heaven saying "come forth! out of Her [OC Judea/Jerusalem] My people..............


http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7322927
2 Corin 6 and the "them" question




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Well let's see.


99 present of Christianity has Pagan feast days based in the worship of Tammuz, and Babylonian feast days.


ALL of the Sabbaths and feast days and traditions of Babylon are celebrated by Christianity.


Christianity having thrown the feasts of Jerusalem under the rug, made the commandments of God illegal to keep, and who force others to accept the ways of Babylon are now pointing to the Jews being in Babylonian ways?


That's quite a stretch isn't it?


It must be the Jews right?

The Jews who keep the feast of Jerusalem and the Christians who keep the feast days of Babylon, BUT IT MUST BE THE JEWS IN BABYLON?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


HAHAHAH, O give me a break, and where do your feast days come from again?


Heck, I guess Revelation was written to the Orthodox Jew huh?

HAHAHA.

''Come out of her my people.''

OneAccordRM said:

Oh, right, I almost forgot.

Us lowly Christians.

Mat_11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

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A yoke is put on two people.

Have 99 percent of Christianity called the Torah a strange thing?


Have 99 present of Christianity thrown the worship system of God out the window?


If you call the Torah a strange thing, and you refuse to learn the worship system and 7 feast days of Christ, how will you learn Christ, how will you teach Christ?

How will a person actually learn of the mysteries of Christ when they have written off everything that teaches of Christ?


If I talk to a Muslim about Jesus and teach the 7 feast days of Jesus and what those promises mean to us, I teach the Passover, the Pentecost, the Sukkot and the rest of the knowledge of Christ to that Muslim.


But what will the Christian teach the Muslim?

He will teach a Christ that he knows, a Christ who is lawless, who has done away with the law and the worship system of God.


How does 99 percent of Christianity teach a biblical Jesus when they themselves admit that they have done away with the worship system of God?

HannibalFlavius said:

Well let's see.

Heck, I guess Revelation was written to the Orthodox Jew huh?

HAHAHA.

''Come out of her my people.''

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It would certainly help if they would read it!

Afterall, their Tribe is listed in Revelation.

Judah is listed as #1 even though he was the 4th born:

Reve 7 1.
Y@huwdah = "I will praise Yah" 2. R@'uwben = "He looked on my humliation" 3. Gad = "In raid" 4. 'Asher = "Happy am I" 5. Naphtaliy = "My wrestling" 6. M@nashsheh = "Making me to forget" 7. Shim`own = "He hears me" 8. Leviy = "and obligated me" 9. Yissaskar = "Gave me hire" 10. Z@buwluwn = "a dowry" 11. Yowceph = " he took away my reproach" 12. Binyamiyn = "by Son of His right hand"


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LittleLambofJesus said:

It would certainly help if they would read it!

Afterall, their Tribe is listed in Revelation.

Judah is listed as #1 even though he was the 4th born:

Reve 7 1.
Y@huwdah = "I will praise Yah" 2. R@'uwben = "He looked on my humliation" 3. Gad = "In raid" 4. 'Asher = "Happy am I" 5. Naphtaliy = "My wrestling" 6. M@nashsheh = "Making me to forget" 7. Shim`own = "He hears me" 8. Leviy = "and obligated me" 9. Yissaskar = "Gave me hire" 10. Z@buwluwn = "a dowry" 11. Yowceph = " he took away my reproach" 12. Binyamiyn = "by Son of His right hand"


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What am I suppose to read?


Is it something that is going to explain Christianity doing away with the commandments of God, and the fact that Christianity took on the ways of Babylon and how that's ok?


We have a whole religion that took on the worship system of Tammuz, the Babylonian Messiah, and this isn't Babylon?

But the Jews and Christians who keep the feasts and worship system of Jerusalem is Babylon?

How are you going to make right look wrong and wrong look right?


Do you think there is nothing wrong with standing against all that is called of God or that is worship to then institute the ways of Babylon in it's place to then say that Jews are in Babylon when you are the one keeping the ways of Babylon?

You are so desperate in your hatred toward Jews that you call evil good and good evil. Right wrong and wrong right.

Stand for Jesus and Jerusalem by God, or stand with Tammuz and Babylon.


If you stand with a Babylonian worship system which is against God, THEN OWN IT, cause you do own it.

daq said:

You see how that works Hanni? Here it is Shabbat

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Happy sabbath to ya from God's country of Texas....

http://www.christianforums.com/t7462687-5/#post54681091
sabbath for Jews and Gentiles


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Where is the person who is proud of what they believe in and will stand up and proclaim it?


Tell us how you stand in the place of God having all authority to alter, change or omit any of God's words that you see fit?


Stand up and proclaim, BE PROUD that your word is above God and you have an authority to call the commandments of God,'' Evil.''

Show us and be proud how you yourself have the authority to change the Sabbaths of God to then instruct us on YOUR appointed Sabbaths.


I see people doing this everyday but why wont they just come out and be proud of what they themselves follow?



Tell us how you made laws against keeping the commandments of God and how the true people of God have successfully killed anyone who would stand against your authority.

Because when you follow the men who made these laws against God, you are doing just that.

You are proclaiming that you have all authority to alter or change any of God's word and you LIVE IT.

You prove that you yourself are above God, and how do you prove this?


Take a pen out and write down all your Sabbaths and feast days and compare against God.

Write down all the scriptures about God's Holy Torah and tell us how you have now called those scriptures evil.


Tell us how the ways of Babylon are so much more righteous than the ways of God, if you live it, don't you believe what your own hands prove?

How you have stood against all that is called of God or that is worshipped?


Even when I was wrong, I would stand proud and debate what I believed.


But why are so many so shy to tell us that their authority is higher than God, and why are so many people shy to say that they are God themselves?

They must be Gods because they have certainly stood against God and his worship system and the whole world follows.



“And truly, in the first place, it seems to everyone a most unworthy thing that we should follow the customs of the Jews in the celebration of this most holy solemnity, who, polluted wretches! having stained their hands with a nefarious crime, are justly blinded in their minds. It is fit, therefore, that rejecting the practice of this people, we should perpetuate to all future ages the celebration of this rite, in a more legitimate order, which we have kept from the first day of our "Lord's" passion even to the present times. Let us then have nothing in common with the most hostile rabble of the Jews.” (Council of Nicea, pg. 52.)



Be proud if you have stood against the worship system of those evil people that killed Jesus.


So much hate, that they would stand against God himself, and think to change the whole worship system of our Jesus, and his being our Holy sacrifices.


We should hate the sacrifices now?

We should hate the very things we hope in?

Pay no attention, Just thought I would make a list of lies so that I can rip them from the book so I can make a shorter read of it.


Exodus 15:26
And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.


Exodus 16:28
And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?


Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


Leviticus 22:31
Therefore shall ye keep my commandments, and do them: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 26:3
If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;


Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.



Deuteronomy 4:40
Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, for ever.

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.


Deuteronomy 5:29
O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!


Deuteronomy 6
That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.

Deuteronomy 6:17
Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.


Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Deuteronomy 7:11
Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.


Deuteronomy 8:6
Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.

Deuteronomy 8:11
Beware that thou forget not the LORD thy God, in not keeping his commandments, and his judgments, and his statutes, which I command thee this day:


Deuteronomy 10:13
To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?


Deuteronomy 11:1
Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.

Deuteronomy 11:8
Therefore shall ye keep all the commandments which I command you this day, that ye may be strong, and go in and possess the land, whither ye go to possess it;

Deuteronomy 11
For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;

Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

If thou shalt keep all these commandments to do them, which I command thee this day, to love the LORD thy God, and to walk ever in his ways; then shalt thou add three cities more for thee, beside these three:

Deuteronomy 26:17
Thou hast avouched the LORD this day to be thy God, and to walk in his ways, and to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and to hearken unto his voice:

And the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments;

And Moses with the elders of Israel commanded the people, saying, Keep all the commandments which I command you this day.

The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.


Deuteronomy 28:45
Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.


Deuteronomy 30:16
In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Joshua 22:5
But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Just some more lies, book is filled with them.{sarcasm intended}



1 Kings 2:3
And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:


1 Kings 3:14
And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.



1 Kings 6:12
Concerning this house which thou art in building, if thou wilt walk in my statutes, and execute my judgments, and keep all my commandments to walk in them; then will I perform my word with thee, which I spake unto David thy father:


1 Kings 8:58
That he may incline our hearts unto him, to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.


1 Kings 8:61
Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.



1 Kings 9:6
But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:

1 Kings 11:38
And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.


2 Kings 17:13
Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.



2 Kings 23:3
And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.

1 Chronicles 28:8 Now therefore in the sight of all Israel the congregation of the LORD, and in the audience of our God, keep and seek for all the commandments of the LORD your God: that ye may possess this good land, and leave it for an inheritance for your children after you for ever

1 Chronicles 29:19
And give unto Solomon my son a perfect heart, to keep thy commandments, thy testimonies, and thy statutes, and to do all these things, and to build the palace, for the which I have made provision.

And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, to perform the words of the covenant which are written in this book.


Nehemiah 1:5
And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:


Psalm 78:7
That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:


Psalm 89:31
If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;


Psalm 103:18
To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.


Psalm 119:60
I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments.


Psalm 119:115
Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the commandments of my God.

Proverbs 3:1
My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:



Proverbs 4:4
He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.



Proverbs 7:1
My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.


Proverbs 7:2
Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

Daniel 9:4
And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;



Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.


John 2:3
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:22
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 3:24
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

daq said:

Can someone of the "future literal physical temple building" belief system please explain how the congregation of Thessalonica was supposed to understand Paul supposedly speaking of a "literal physical temple building made with hands" in the famous Thessalonians passage which so many say concerns a literal physical one-time "man of sin" walking into "the temple of God" showing himself that he is God?

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 KJV
3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

How can it be that the Thessalonians were supposed to understand this to mean the literal physical temple building which was yet standing in Jerusalem when their Macedonian congregation was well over a thousand miles away by land and two or three months away with good weather by sea?
Thessalonians who first received this epistle! Help!

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Never thought about it.

That is Daniel 11:36 he is quoting from, correct?
　
Young) Daniel 11:36
`And the king hath done according to his will, and exalteth himself, and magnifieth himself against every god and against the God of gods he speaketh wonderful things,
and hath prospered till the indignation hath been completed, for that which is determined hath been done.
[2 Thess 2:3,4]

I think a type of "Judah/Judas" is the man of Sin. Must also be a type of priest to be able to sit in the Sanctuary of the Temple me thinks.......

2 thess 2:
3 No any ye should be deluding according to no yet one manner/way that if-ever no may be coming the apostasy/apo-stasia <646> first
and may be being un-covered the Man of the Sin, the son of the destruction.
4 The one opposing and being exalted upon all being said god or venerated, so that he into the Sanctuary of the God as god to be seated, showing himself that he is god
[Daniel 11:36]


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