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franky67 · Jul 26, 2014

Jeremiah 7:22

"For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices."

JM · Jul 26, 2014

Is there a question about that verse?

Keachian · Jul 26, 2014

franky67 said:
Jeremiah 7:22

"For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices."

That is indeed a Scripture

franky67 · Jul 26, 2014

Keachian said:
That is indeed a Scripture

Does it bring to mind any other scriptures like maybe Leviticus ?

98cwitr · Jul 26, 2014

Your translation is off a bit...

Jeremiah 7:22-24New International Version (NIV)

22 For when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in obedience to all I command you, that it may go well with you. 24 But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backward and not forward.

Just another reason why any translation based on the KJV is hogwash.

franky67 · Jul 26, 2014

98cwitr said:
Your translation is off a bit...

Jeremiah 7:22-24New International Version (NIV)

22 For when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in obedience to all I command you, that it may go well with you. 24 But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backward and not forward.

Just another reason why any translation based on the KJV is hogwash.

Modern Hebrew
כי לא־דברתי
את־אבותיכם ולא
צויתים ביום הוציא
אותם מארץ מצרים
על־דברי עולה
וזבח׃
Paleo-Hebrew (Before 585 B.C.)
7:22

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Hebrew Transliterated
7:22 KY L'a-DBUrThY 'aTh-'aBVThYKM VL'a TShVYThYM BYVM HVTShY'a 'aVThM M'aUrTSh MTShUrYM 'yL-DBUrY 'yVLH VZBCh.

Latin Vulgate
7:22 quia non sum locutus cum patribus vestris et non praecepi eis in die qua eduxi eos de terra Aegypti de verbo holocaustomatum et victimarum

King James Version
7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

American Standard Version
7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt-offerings or sacrifices:

Bible in Basic English
7:22 For I said nothing to your fathers, and gave them no orders, on the day when I took them out of Egypt, about burned offerings or offerings of beasts:

Darby's English Translation
7:22 For I spoke not unto your fathers, nor commanded them concerning burnt-offerings and sacrifices, in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt;

Douay Rheims Bible
7:22 For I spoke not to your fathers, and I commanded them not, in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning the matter of burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Noah Webster Bible
7:22 For I spoke not to your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt-offerings or sacrifices:

World English Bible
7:22 For I didn`t speak to your fathers, nor command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Young's Literal Translation
7:22 For I did not speak with your fathers, Nor did I command them in the day of My bringing them out of the land of Egypt, Concerning the matters of burnt-offering and sacrifice,

JM · Jul 26, 2014

franky67 said:
Does it bring to mind any other scriptures like maybe Leviticus ?

I don't follow...cut to the chase.

franky67 · Jul 26, 2014

JM said:
I don't follow...cut to the chase.

Sorry, I thought the statement by God that He gave no instructions to those fleeing from Egypt regarding animal sacrifice, was not in agreement with the instructions to Moses in the first three chapters of Leviticus.

twin1954 · Jul 26, 2014

franky67 said:
Sorry, I thought the statement by God that He gave no instructions to those fleeing from Egypt regarding animal sacrifice, was not in agreement with the instructions to Moses in the first three chapters of Leviticus.

As with all Biblical interpretation, CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT. Any passage of Scripture must be understood in the light of the teaching of the Scriptures as a whole and the immediate context. Setting a single verse up as though it is the end all of Biblical interpretation is not only proof texting but heretical. Far too many build their theology on select verses of Scriptures without regard to the immediate context or the whole of the teaching of the Scriptures. It is nothing but a whimsical idea gained from an incomplete knowledge of the truth of the Scriptures as a whole. We do not contrast one verse against another we seek to understand the verse according to the whole of Scripture.

miamited · Jul 26, 2014

Hi franky,

Most false religions come from someone taking one small passage of Scripture and setting it off by itself and then building a theology around just that single piece. Read the next sentence. If you do, you will find that God said that He did not speak to them about keeping burnt offerings and sacrifices, but about obeying Him. And what is it that God asked for them to obey?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

98cwitr · Jul 26, 2014

Wonder if "in the day" doesnt mean what we think it means. See here in Exodus 20 where the command was given:

24 “‘Make an altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, your sheep and goats and your cattle. Wherever I cause my name to be honored, I will come to you and bless you. 25 If you make an altar of stones for me, do not build it with dressed stones, for you will defile it if you use a tool on it. 26 And do not go up to my altar on steps, or your private parts may be exposed.’

Command didnt come until they were well out of Egypt, but in any case, the command was definitely given. How would you reconcile this franky? Is Moses a fraud?

franky67 · Jul 28, 2014

98cwitr said:
Wonder if "in the day" doesnt mean what we think it means. See here in Exodus 20 where the command was given:

24 Make an altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, your sheep and goats and your cattle. Wherever I cause my name to be honored, I will come to you and bless you. 25 If you make an altar of stones for me, do not build it with dressed stones, for you will defile it if you use a tool on it. 26 And do not go up to my altar on steps, or your private parts may be exposed.

Command didnt come until they were well out of Egypt, but in any case, the command was definitely given. How would you reconcile this franky? Is Moses a fraud?

I see your point about the command being later than the day of their departure from Egypt.

Consider this, Moses was exposed to sacrificial ceremony in Egypt, the practice of animal (and human ) sacrifice was found in nearly all ancient societies.
Judaism was not the only group in the ancient world who practiced this.

Moses Wrote the first five books of the bible.

Jesus said He came to fulfill the law, He did not teach animal sacrifice.

98cwitr · Jul 28, 2014

Nor did He condemn it in the Temple. In fact, He only condemned the selling of them in the Temple. If you pay close attention to the Gospel, Christ never condemns any OT Law, but only provides crystal clear clarity of them. I don't believe we are under the Law, nor does it apply to us any longer, for we are under a new covenant. Yet, at the same time, there is value to understanding the Law, for by it we know what sin is and can better understand the Crucifixion of Christ.

Humans are animals, and Jesus sacrificed Himself. It's the ultimate "animal sacrifice" if you ask me. Hence why we call Him the "Lamb of God."

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