Time of the end

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 22, 2014

Originally Posted by parousia70

The Above Parable was Fulfilled in AD 70.

CherubRam said:
Israel was not defeated by the Romans until about 133 AD.
Two days from then is 2133.

parousia70 said:
Complete and utter nonsense

Yeah..
But that's the Bible for ya....

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he-man · Jul 24, 2014

parousia70 said:
Satan "grooming" various breeds of "antichrists",

Listen to what Job says, in describing his affliction:
Job 19:21 Have pity upon me, have pity upon me, O ye my friends; for the hand of God hath touched me.

Job 27:22 For God shall cast upon him, and not spare: he would fain flee out of his hand.

Job 2:10 But he said to her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?

Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amo 3:6 Shalt a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the destroyer to destroy.

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand up in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

CherubRam · Jul 24, 2014

parousia70 said:
Complete and utter nonsense

Study your bible.
2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Hosea 6:2
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.

Copenator · Jul 24, 2014

CherubRam said:
Study your bible.
2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Hosea 6:2
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.

Does Daniel 12's 1290 days fit that logic as well? It is pretty close to the Rev. 18:6 1260. Just wondering how far you are willing to take that logic.

How long did the creation take?

CherubRam · Jul 25, 2014

Copenator said:
Does Daniel 12's 1290 days fit that logic as well? It is pretty close to the Rev. 18:6 1260. Just wondering how far you are willing to take that logic.

How long did the creation take?

The creation days are epochs of time, that is what has been taught for thousands of years. The bible does not say how old the Earth is. And, no, I do not believe in Evolution.

The 2300, 1335, 1290, 1260, do not fit perfectly because a person must solve for an unknown to get the correct answer.

Daniel 8
13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the Lord’s people?”

14 He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

After Daniel's prophecy the temple was defiled in 167 BC. The Hellenistic Jews took control of the temple, and held it until 70 AD. If you are up with current events, then you may know that the Jews are preparing to build another temple. So, 2300-167 BC = 2133 AD. Israel was defeated by the Romans in 133 AD. 133+2000=2133 also. 1335+777=2112. plus a half hour equals 21 years. So, 1335+777=2112+21 years =2133 also again. Revelation 8:1 When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. The bible is part parable and part literal, and that is where a spirit of discernment is needed. 21 Days in Daniel stands for 21 st century. 777 was the missing piece of puzzle to fit the two day prophecy. That is all I have to say about that matter. If I say much more everyone will be flipping out on me. I would not want you guys to spill your milk. Have a nice day! :wave:

Copenator · Jul 25, 2014

CherubRam said:
Daniel 8
13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the Lord’s people?”

14 He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

After Daniel's prophecy the temple was defiled in 167 BC. The Hellenistic Jews took control of the temple, and held it until 70 AD. If you are up with current events, then you may know that the Jews are preparing to build another temple. So, 2300-167 BC = 2133 AD. Israel was defeated by the Romans in 133 AD. 133+2000=2133 also. 1335+777=2112. plus a half hour equals 21 years. So, 1335+777=2112+21 years =2133 also again. Revelation 8:1 When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. The bible is part parable and part literal, and that is where a spirit of discernment is needed. 21 Days in Daniel stands for 21 st century. 777 was the missing piece of puzzle to fit the two day prophecy. That is all I have to say about that matter. If I say much more everyone will be flipping out on me. I would not want you guys to spill your milk. Have a nice day!

Where does the 21 years = 1/2 hour come from?

Ok, so let me get this straight. I think I understand. Days don't necessarily mean days. When God tells us days, He really means is it could be a DAY, 100 YEARS, or even 1000 YEARS, depending on our own personal eschatology.

You mentioned 2 Peter 3:8

CherubRam said:
Study your bible.
2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

If this means what you imply it means. When the authors of the bible say one day, they actually mean 1,000 years. Then YOU say one day can also mean an epoch, 1000 years, 100 years, 1 year (2300 evenings and mornings) and also can mean 1 day, depending on how the interpreter (you) would like to use them. Seems to contradict the verse (2 Peter 3:8) you quoted. That is IF Peter meant what you imply he meant. I don't think Peter is giving an equation to translate the word "day", and change the meaning of the entire bible. I think he is responding to scoffers in the AD 60s.

(2Pe 3:3-4 NKJV) 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of creation."

He is telling THEM that just because He has been "slow" in their eyes, He is still faithful and will fulfill what he said he would when he said he would.

(2Pe 3:9 NKJV) The Lord is not slack concerning [His] promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Let's not forget, Peter expected the Parousia in his immediate future. He communicated it well in his first epistle. He said told the first century audience that THEY are the generation that would experience His Parousia.

(1Pe 2:9 NKJV) But you [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

He also told them that it was time for the judgement (in the AD 60s).

(1Pe 4:17 NKJV) For the time [has come] for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if [it begins] with us first, what will [be] the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

He would not use his second epistle to completely contradict his first.

Daniel was something at the end of chapter 8...

(Dan 8:26 NKJV) "And the vision of the evenings and mornings Which was told is true; Therefore seal up the vision, For [it refers] to many days [in the future]."

What kind of days are those? 1,000 year days, 100 year days, 1 year days, or 1 day days? Now, just something to consider, what was John told in Revelation 22?

(Rev 1:3 NKJV) Blessed [is] he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time [is] near.

(Rev 22:10 NKJV) And he said to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.

Now John isn't given days, but he IS told the time is AT HAND (in the first century). Please help me understand how something written 2500 years ago is considered "many days" ago but something written 2000 years ago is "at hand" and "near".

CherubRam · Jul 25, 2014

Copenator said:
Where does the 21 years = 1/2 hour come from?

Ok, so let me get this straight. I think I understand. Days don't necessarily mean days. When God tells us days, He really means is it could be a DAY, 100 YEARS, or even 1000 YEARS, depending on our own personal eschatology.

You mentioned 2 Peter 3:8

If this means what you imply it means. When the authors of the bible say one day, they actually mean 1,000 years. Then YOU say one day can also mean an epoch, 1000 years, 100 years, 1 year (2300 evenings and mornings) and also can mean 1 day, depending on how the interpreter (you) would like to use them. Seems to contradict the verse (2 Peter 3:8) you quoted. That is IF Peter meant what you imply he meant. I don't think Peter is giving an equation to translate the word "day", and change the meaning of the entire bible. I think he is responding to scoffers in the AD 60s.

(2Pe 3:3-4 NKJV) 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of creation."

He is telling THEM that just because He has been "slow" in their eyes, He is still faithful and will fulfill what he said he would when he said he would.

(2Pe 3:9 NKJV) The Lord is not slack concerning [His] promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Let's not forget, Peter expected the Parousia in his immediate future. He communicated it well in his first epistle. He said told the first century audience that THEY are the generation that would experience His Parousia.

(1Pe 2:9 NKJV) But you [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

He also told them that it was time for the judgement (in the AD 60s).

(1Pe 4:17 NKJV) For the time [has come] for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if [it begins] with us first, what will [be] the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

He would not use his second epistle to completely contradict his first.

Daniel was something at the end of chapter 8...

(Dan 8:26 NKJV) "And the vision of the evenings and mornings Which was told is true; Therefore seal up the vision, For [it refers] to many days [in the future]."

What kind of days are those? 1,000 year days, 100 year days, 1 year days, or 1 day days? Now, just something to consider, what was John told in Revelation 22?

(Rev 1:3 NKJV) Blessed [is] he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time [is] near.

(Rev 22:10 NKJV) And he said to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.

Now John isn't given days, but he IS told the time is AT HAND (in the first century). Please help me understand how something written 2500 years ago is considered "many days" ago but something written 2000 years ago is "at hand" and "near".

The bible speaks of five different end times.
Hint: "Back in that day." Hint: "In that day to come." Hint: "Time, times, and the division of time." It literally means 3 and a half, but 3 and a half what?
Revelation 8:1 When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. Revelation 17:12
The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. (for 42 years) If it is not literal, then it is a parable.

Norah63 · Jul 26, 2014

Time of the end is when we are about to meet our Maker.
Then our time ends....... Jesus returning to this earth, well thats another thing.
Mostly folks accept what their religon teaches.
Pre, post, ahh, take your pick!
We will know for sure when our time of end comes.

he-man · Jul 26, 2014

CherubRam said:
The bible speaks of five different end times.
what? Revelation 8:1 When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. If it is not literal, then it is a parable.

Accusative of extent of time. [RWP]
The half-hour stillness implies, too, the earnest adoring expectation with which the blessed spirits and the angels await the succeeding unfolding of Gods judgments. A short space is implied; for even an hour is so used. [JFB]

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

parousia70 said:
.. with Satan "grooming" various breeds of "antichrists"

Who is the adversary? Who killed our Lord?

he-man said:
Listen to what Job says, in describing his affliction:
Job 19:21 Have pity upon me, have pity upon me, O ye my friends; for the hand of God hath touched me.

Job 27:22 For God shall cast upon him, and not spare: he would fain flee out of his hand.

Job 2:10 But he said to her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?

Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amo 3:6 Shalt a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the destroyer to destroy.

Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand up in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

A New World · Aug 1, 2014

he-man said:
Who is the adversary? Who killed our Lord?

In the New Testament the adversary of God's people who killed our Lord was unbelieving Old Covenant Israel.

"And He said to them, What things? So they said to Him, The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him." Luke‬ 24‬:19-20‬ NKJV)

"Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts‬ 2‬:23, 36‬ NKJV)

"And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen." (Romans‬ 16‬:20‬ NKJV)

According to Paul, satan, the adversary of God's people, Old Covenant Israel, those who killed our Lord, would be crushed "shortly."

"However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory." (I Corinthians‬ 2‬:6-8‬ NKJV)

The rulers of the Old Covenant age, the adversary of God's people, who were responsible for the death of The Lord, were soon "coming to nothing."

lesliedellow · Aug 2, 2014

Do tell. Will it be next Tuesday or the one after? I mean, I wouldn't want to miss the big event.

A New World · Aug 2, 2014

lesliedellow said:
Do tell. Will it be next Tuesday or the one after? I mean, I wouldn't want to miss the big event.

August-September of AD 70

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 2, 2014

Norah63 said:
Time of the end is when we are about to meet our Maker.
Then our time ends....... Jesus returning to this earth, well thats another thing.
Mostly folks accept what their religon teaches.
Pre, post, ahh, take your pick!
We will know for sure when our time of end comes.

True that!

Luke 12:
17 and he thought to himself, What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?
18 And he said, I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.
20 But God said to him, Fool! This night your soul is required of you,
and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?

.

OldWiseGuy · Aug 2, 2014

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CherubRam · Aug 3, 2014

Daniel 2:33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. 34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.

The rock will strike the foot of Italy completely destroying it. And God's people will become a mountain of people, filling the whole world during the reign of Christ.

Revelation 16:19
The great city (Jerusalem) split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.

1 Peter 5:13
She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.

Zechariah 14:4
On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.

One break will intersect the other forming a T shape. Not to be taken as exact.

When the rock strikes the foot, Yellowstone will act as a pressure relief. At that time will be fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, who said, "woe to the land of spinning wings beyond the rivers of Cush."

A New World · Aug 3, 2014

CherubRam said:
Daniel 2:33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. 34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.

The rock will strike the foot of Italy completely destroying it. And God's people will become a mountain of people, filling the whole world during the reign of Christ.

As we continue reading:
"And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that [fourth] kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others. Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the [fourth] kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the [fourth] kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay. And in the days of these kings [of the fourth kingdom] the God of heaven will set up a [heavenly] kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the [heavenly] kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these [earthly] kingdoms, and it shall stand forever." (Daniel‬ 2‬:40-44‬ NKJV)

Daniel saw a fourth kingdom. The fourth kingdom would be divided, partly strong and partly fragile. In the days of the kings of the fourth kingdom God would set up a heavenly kingdom which will never be destroyed.

Many have tried to extend the fourth kingdom's reign over God's people even to our day.

But, notice what both John the Baptist and Jesus said about the arrival of God's kingdom:

"In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!” (Matthew‬ 3‬:1-2‬ NKJV)

"From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew‬ 4‬:17‬ NKJV)

The arrival of Messiah signaled the imminent end of the earthly kingdom's control of God's people.

Messiah would soon establish His spiritual kingdom:

"Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke‬ 17‬:20-21‬ NKJV)

Revelation 16:19
The great city (Jerusalem) split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.

1 Peter 5:13
She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.

Peter was most likely writing from Jerusalem referring to her as Babylon.

John gave his audiences the identity of "the great city" Babylon/Jerusalem:

"And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." (Revelation‬ 11‬:8‬ NKJV)

Since we know the great city was Jerusalem, we must remain consistent throughout the book.

"standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’

and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls!

and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?" (Revelation‬ 18‬:10, 16, 18‬ NKJV)

Jerusalem had ironically become an enemy of God and was compared to her own enemies, Egypt and Babylon. She had become a harlot in God's eyes and faced imminent judgment:

"For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her.” (Revelation‬ 19‬:2‬ NKJV)

The context is unquestionably the judgment of God on the harlot, unfaithful, Old Covenant Israel.

CherubRam · Aug 3, 2014

The Coming of the Kingdom of God

Luke 17:20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, Here it is, or There it is, because the kingdom of God is in your midst.

Rome has been called Babylon because it has been a world power, and because it transferred the Babylonian religions to Rome.

This is about the congregation being in the Roman Empire.
1 Peter 5:13
She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.

A New World · Aug 3, 2014

CherubRam said:
The Coming of the Kingdom of God

Luke 17:20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Rome has been called Babylon because it has been a world power, and because it transferred the Babylonian religions to Rome.

Rome was not in covenant with God and therefore was not the harlot of Revelation. Jerusalem was "the great city" the harlot that was about to be cast out. Jerusalem alone was guilty of breaking her covenant with God.

Notice the prophecy recorded by Moses: "And the LORD said to Moses: “Behold, you will rest with your fathers; and this people will rise and play the harlot with the gods of the foreigners of the land, where they go to be among them, and they will forsake Me and break My covenant which I have made with them." (Deuteronomy‬ 31‬:16‬ NKJV)

Old Covenant Israel was guilty killing the prophets, apostles, and Jesus.

“Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets...Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation." (Matthew‬ 23‬:31, 33-36‬ NKJV)

John saw the fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy:

"Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore...And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.” (Revelation‬ 18‬:21, 24‬ NKJV)

There is only one generation that could have been the recepient of God's wrath for all the blood shed on the earth. This is indisputable. Jesus and John both said it was Jerusalem, the great city, Old Covenant Israel. We know now that this judgment occurred in AD 70.

CherubRam · Aug 3, 2014

A New World said:
Rome was not in covenant with God and therefore was not the harlot of Revelation. Jerusalem was "the great city" the harlot that was about to be cast out. Jerusalem alone was guilty of breaking her covenant with God.

Notice the prophecy recorded by Moses: "And the LORD said to Moses: “Behold, you will rest with your fathers; and this people will rise and play the harlot with the gods of the foreigners of the land, where they go to be among them, and they will forsake Me and break My covenant which I have made with them." (Deuteronomy‬ 31‬:16‬ NKJV)

Old Covenant Israel was guilty killing the prophets, apostles, and Jesus.

“Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets...Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation." (Matthew‬ 23‬:31, 33-36‬ NKJV)

John saw the fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy:

"Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore...And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.” (Revelation‬ 18‬:21, 24‬ NKJV)

There is only one generation that could have been the recepient of God's wrath for all the blood shed on the earth. This is indisputable. Jesus and John both said it was Jerusalem, the great city, Old Covenant Israel. We know now that this judgment occurred in AD 70.

Rome is known for killing disciples and Christians. The Jews that Yahshua was addressing were the Hellenistic Jews. Jerusalem in heaven is called a "Great City," in Rev 21:10; KJV. Have you never heard of "The Inquisition" or Roman persecution of Christians?

Genesis 10:12
and Resen, which is between Nineveh and Calah—which is the great city.

2.Jeremiah 22:8
“People from many nations will pass by this city and will ask one another, ‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this great city?’

3.Jonah 1:2
“Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me.”

4.Jonah 3:2
“Go to the great city of Nineveh and proclaim to it the message I give you.”

5.Jonah 4:11
And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?”

6.Revelation 11:8
Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.

7.Revelation 16:19
The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.

8.Revelation 17:18
The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

9.Revelation 18:10
Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: “‘Woe! Woe to you, great city, you mighty city of Babylon! In one hour your doom has come!’

10.Revelation 18:16
and cry out: “‘Woe! Woe to you, great city, dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!

11.Revelation 18:18
When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, ‘Was there ever a city like this great city?’

12.Revelation 18:19
They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out: “‘Woe! Woe to you, great city, where all who had ships on the sea became rich through her wealth! In one hour she has been brought to ruin!’

13.Revelation 18:21
[ The Finality of Babylon’s Doom ] Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: “With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.

Copenator · Aug 3, 2014

It seems to me the key point is that Rome didn't break a Covenant with God.

A New World said:
Notice the prophecy recorded by Moses: "And the LORD said to Moses: “Behold, you will rest with your fathers; and this people will rise and play the harlot with the gods of the foreigners of the land, where they go to be among them, and they will forsake Me and break My covenant which I have made with them." (Deuteronomy‬ 31‬:16‬ NKJV

Time of the end

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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