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ROFL - It sounds like as though EdJones is saying that he cannot stop sinning. Surely that cannot be.
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ROFL - It sounds like as though EdJones is saying that he cannot stop sinning. Surely that cannot be.
Originally posted by chuck
O man I guess I'll get it for this but thats ok too LOL.
I do not think a person once they have recieved salvation can loose it. If as the bible saids salvation is a gift;
-- New King James
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
-- New King James
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Now His word saids this about His gifts;
-- New King James
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Now saying that I have to say that no one who has recieved salvation could ever loose it and God wil never take it away.
BUT and this is where I will get slaughtered I guess hahaha
I do believe we still have the choice to walk away from it.
As in Hebrews;
-- New King James
Hebrews 10:26-29 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Also in Revelation;
-- New King James
Revelation 3:5 "He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
I do not believe that a person messes up (sins) and has walked away, thats not what I believe the "willfully sinning" is but the willfully is turning away from the very One saving you.
I want to make clear I do not believe this is a "work" related thing.
The way I have tried to describe this is in this example;
If I were in a room that was full of radioactivity and in the center of this room was a lead lined box, if I went into this box and closed the door I would be saved from the radioactivity. Now understand I did walk to the box and I did shut the door but understand I am not able to save myself from the radioactivity the lead in this box is doing that. For if the box would have just been made out of wood I could have still walked into it and shut the door but would not have been saved from the radioactivity.
Now as long as I stay inside the box I am saved from the radioactivity but if I open the door and walk out I am then again bombarded by the radioactivity and soon I will die in it.
This is not a matter of me doing something to be and staying saved but a matter of me staying in the place that I am being saved and thats in Christ Jesus.
See no matter how hard I run or how far I try to run from my salvation I can never loose it because I know and will always know where it is. But if I die without it I die seperated from the only One that could have saved me.
Anyway I put in my conviction about it LOL I hope everyone still oves me
God Bless
Chuck
Did I mean that? Are you failing perhaps to make the proper distinctions between desire, temptation, and sin, Redeemed1?Look up the Greek word for sin in the passage you just quoted, and then the Greek word for sin in other passages. The word in this passage holds a different meaning than just "transgress". It means "miss the mark". In Christ, we no longer "miss the mark", but we DO transgress. What you are saying is that you are without sin in word, thought, or deed, every single day.
Originally posted by Mandy
Although I believe all who have been redeemed by Jesus Christ are eternally secure, because He is able to save to the uttermost and it is by His grace, mercy, and power that we are saved and kept, if we abide in Christ there is no reason to even think about this subject.
Just like I trusted Jesus to save me, I trust Him to keep me.
I also want to say that those who believe in eternal security and say, "I can do whatever I want, it doesn't matter because I am saved", are not truly saved.