Which Christian do you agree with?

TogetherInHim · Jul 20, 2014

Which Christian do you agree with?

Two Christians were listening to the comforting words being spoken to a bereaved widow. Your husband was a good man and now hes in heaven said one comforter. The first Christian thought to himself, Yes, he was a good man. He was always friendly, never said a bad word about anyone and was generous more than most. Although he never professed to be a Christian or spoke a word concerning faith in God, surely God would welcome him into His kingdom. The second Christian thought to himself, I really liked him. He was a good friend. It is sad that he will burn in hell for eternity because he did not receive the Lord Jesus Christ as his personal Savior.

They are both mistaken.

Reference: WhoGoesToHell.com

XtianAgain · Jul 21, 2014

ROFL @ Whogoestohell.com Also, why did you post this here?

elman · Jul 21, 2014

TogetherInHim said:
Which Christian do you agree with?

Two Christians were listening to the comforting words being spoken to a bereaved widow. Your husband was a good man and now hes in heaven said one comforter. The first Christian thought to himself, Yes, he was a good man. He was always friendly, never said a bad word about anyone and was generous more than most. Although he never professed to be a Christian or spoke a word concerning faith in God, surely God would welcome him into His kingdom. The second Christian thought to himself, I really liked him. He was a good friend. It is sad that he will burn in hell for eternity because he did not receive the Lord Jesus Christ as his personal Savior.

They are both mistaken.

Reference: WhoGoesToHell.com

I agree with the first one. Hell is not a place, but the opposite of eternal life i.e. eternal death or non existence.

camethodactor · Jul 21, 2014

I agree with the first one. I'm a Universalist in my view of the Gospel. All souls, Christian or not, will eventually be reconciled to God through Christ. Jesus said, "If I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all people to myself". and he also said, "I have other sheep that are not of my fold and I must seek them too". If there is a hell, it will not be eternal. It will only be temporary and used for purification before coming home to our Father. When we are at that the divine judgement the questions will not be- Did you profess a human created creed? Did you take Jesus as your Lord and Savior? No, the question will be per Matthew 25- Did you care for the least among us?- Clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, giving drink to all who thirst, binding up the brokenhearted, visiting the imprisoned and sick. Whatever you did to the least of these you did it to the Lord. I have seen great numbers of genuinely Christ like people outside of the church and some of the most un-Christ like people I have seen are too often my fellow sisters and brothers in Christ.

SwordoftheLord · Jul 21, 2014

I agree with the second one... I get appalled when I see people at funerals saying a man went to heaven when their is no chance that person did.. Instead preach the truth and the gospel to try and save those who still have a chance

Targaryen · Jul 21, 2014

Ummm...the first prinicple is the one that not only feels right in the way I think Jesus taught but would show the loving god as opposed to whatever the fundamentalist god does.

elman · Jul 21, 2014

SwordoftheLord said:
I agree with the second one... I get appalled when I see people at funerals saying a man went to heaven when their is no chance that person did.. Instead preach the truth and the gospel to try and save those who still have a chance

Your thinking the man had no chance is not the point. What does God think? And you are not able to know that even though you think you do.

elman · Jul 21, 2014

camethodactor said:
I agree with the first one. I'm a Universalist in my view of the Gospel. All souls, Christian or not, will eventually be reconciled to God through Christ. Jesus said, "If I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all people to myself". and he also said, "I have other sheep that are not of my fold and I must seek them too". If there is a hell, it will not be eternal. It will only be temporary and used for purification before coming home to our Father. When we are at that the divine judgement the questions will not be- Did you profess a human created creed? Did you take Jesus as your Lord and Savior? No, the question will be per Matthew 25- Did you care for the least among us?- Clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, giving drink to all who thirst, binding up the brokenhearted, visiting the imprisoned and sick. Whatever you did to the least of these you did it to the Lord. I have seen great numbers of genuinely Christ like people outside of the church and some of the most un-Christ like people I have seen are too often my fellow sisters and brothers in Christ.

I agree except there was the goats in Matt 25. I believe Ezekiel was on track when he wrote the soul that sins, it shall die. The righteous, not the wicked shall live and not die. Jesus seemed to agree with this. There is a consequence to being a Hitler and while I agree even Hitler will not be tortured forever by a loving Creator, I don't see Hitler being able to slide into Heaven by a bit of suffering.

Targaryen · Jul 21, 2014

elman said:
I agree except there was the goats in Matt 25. I believe Ezekiel was on track when he wrote the soul that sins, it shall die. The righteous, not the wicked shall live and not die. Jesus seemed to agree with this. There is a consequence to being a Hitler and while I agree even Hitler will not be tortured forever by a loving Creator, I don't see Hitler being able to slide into Heaven by a bit of suffering.

The wicked shall die yes, we can all list names to who goes on that list. That's not what the OP was about however.

graceandpeace · Jul 21, 2014

My general thought is I think Christians can hope for universal salvation; however, it seems clear in the Gospels & elsewhere that there is some sort of exclusion from the Kingdom. What that exclusion actually means is another matter- as far as what it will look & feel like, or how long it will endure. We should be people of hope, not of condemnation.

SarahsKnight · Jul 21, 2014

I agree with the first as well, at least over the second. Even back when I believed in hell as eternal conscious torment, I would not have seen the point in taking the second person's approach at all. I mean, even if eternal torment is true, what, do you really think Jesus would want you telling the grieving family and other loved ones that the person they loved is now burning alive and screaming his head off? What good does that do?

elman · Jul 22, 2014

LiberalAnglicanCatholic said:
The wicked shall die yes, we can all list names to who goes on that list. That's not what the OP was about however.

The wicked and the righteous die physically, but only the wicked die spiritually.

Targaryen · Jul 22, 2014

elman said:
The wicked and the righteous die physically, but only the wicked die spiritually.

True...but I was referring to spirtual death.

elman · Jul 22, 2014

LiberalAnglicanCatholic said:
True...but I was referring to spirtual death.

I do not follow what you are saying. It seems to me the OP was about spiritual life and death.

Targaryen · Jul 22, 2014

The OP was more or less a judgemental rant saying that both positions were wrong, if you read the document provided. the topic then swung to why some held the first position provided in the bit of text in the OP.

elman · Jul 22, 2014

LiberalAnglicanCatholic said:
The OP was more or less a judgemental rant saying that both positions were wrong, if you read the document provided. the topic then swung to why some held the first position provided in the bit of text in the OP.

OK

Izdaari Eristikon · Jul 23, 2014

Not quite either. I would not presume to judge any soul, but would leave that to Him who knows all hearts.

I do agree with this though:

graceandpeace said:
My general thought is I think Christians can hope for universal salvation; however, it seems clear in the Gospels & elsewhere that there is some sort of exclusion from the Kingdom. What that exclusion actually means is another matter- as far as what it will look & feel like, or how long it will endure. We should be people of hope, not of condemnation.

Also, I don't believe in heaven as an eternal destination for anyone. I think it's a place of rest and recreation while awaiting physical resurrection.

elman · Jul 23, 2014

Izdaari said:
Not quite either. I would not presume to judge any soul, but would leave that to Him who knows all hearts.

I do agree with this though:

Also, I don't believe in heaven as an eternal destination for anyone. I think it's a place of rest and recreation while awaiting physical resurrection.

Paul said we would have spiritual bodies, not natural ones. 1 Cor 15

Angelquill · Jul 23, 2014

SarahsKnight said:
I agree with the first as well, at least over the second. Even back when I believed in hell as eternal conscious torment, I would not have seen the point in taking the second person's approach at all. I mean, even if eternal torment is true, what, do you really think Jesus would want you telling the grieving family and other loved ones that the person they loved is now burning alive and screaming his head off? What good does that do?

I have to agree with you. Although I have grown since those days when I did believe in "hell", I never did see any sense in telling grieving loved ones that their loved dead was now roasting in the pits of hell..it seems so cruel...

XtianAgain · Jul 23, 2014

Angelquill said:
I have to agree with you. Although I have grown since those days when I did believe in "hell", I never did see any sense in telling grieving loved ones that their loved dead was now roasting in the pits of hell..it seems so cruel...

Exactly^^^

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