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Here’s a take-off on the old board game “Scruples,” which posed a lot of revealing and hard-to-answer questions for players.

If you can, scriptural support for your position would be helpful.

Your company decides to initiate an
involuntary drug-testing program for
its employees.

Do you support it?



WWJD?​
 

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I support it. We are supposed to be sober-minded and vigilant. I especially support such a program in jobs where there are hazards. As a soldier, I am subject to random urinalysis. If my First Sergeant calls my name in formation, I owe 45ml of urine to prove I'm not jeopardizing the guys to my right and left by being under the influence and therefore unfit for duty.

For other jobs, there is the potential for loss through sloppy adherence to procedures, or through the theft of funds/assets to support a drug addiction. Any company/agency has a right AND a responsibility to prevent these losses as much as possible.
 
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Here’s a take-off on the old board game “Scruples,” which posed a lot of revealing and hard-to-answer questions for players.

If you can, scriptural support for your position would be helpful.

Your company decides to initiate an
involuntary drug-testing program for
its employees.

Do you support it?

WWJD?

Involuntary as in without their knowledge or involuntary as in mandatory?
 
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Here’s a take-off on the old board game “Scruples,” which posed a lot of revealing and hard-to-answer questions for players.

If you can, scriptural support for your position would be helpful.

Your company decides to initiate an
involuntary drug-testing program for
its employees.

Do you support it?



WWJD?​
The company I work for does initiate involuntary drug-testing. I don't like it, but I understand it and I support it. I can't think of any scripture at the moment that would be against it....employers must do what they gotta do. It's for public safety.
 
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Here’s a take-off on the old board game “Scruples,” which posed a lot of revealing and hard-to-answer questions for players.

If you can, scriptural support for your position would be helpful.

Your company decides to initiate an
involuntary drug-testing program for
its employees.

Do you support it?



WWJD?​
I'd oppose it.

Tough to find scripture that actually deals with DRUGS, so I'll fall back to this one:
1 Timothy 5:23 said:
Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

Most drugs will turn up on a drug test long after the effects have gone away, so it's not like you can determine if someone is "sober" while at work the same way you can show drunkenness with a breathalyzer. If someone smoked a joint at the start of the weekend, and then came to work Monday morning with their game face on, then I don't see why they should lose their job over that.

Clearly, I oppose people being incapacitated while at work. There should be limits as to how far into one's off-duty life an employer can intrude, and mandatory drug testing is invasive in ways beyond the pitting of personal scruples of the employer against the employee. For example, if an employee fails a drug test because of a prescription he or she is on - now they must divulge personal medical information to their employer or risk termination.

There may be some jobs where the messy scruples that can come up are outweighed by safety or health concerns. But MOST jobs are not those jobs. The job where I work is certainly not one of those jobs. I don't know too many of my co-workers who would be comfortable with divulging our medications and medical records to HR, and I don't see how the few employees who might have smoked a joint over the weekend are possibly incapable of doing their jobs effectively the rest of the week.

Also, if there IS some kind of issue with someone coming to work hung-over, high, or otherwise incapacitated... It's not exactly rocket science to figure that out. You don't need a drug test to say, "You are clearly not able to do your job right now. Go home, and if this happens again, you are fired."
 
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I would have to check, I believe that its actually possible to have an idea when the person has last used drugs to do with the levels in the blood. Which with something like THC which can stay in the system for up to 30 days or so its good to be able to have a fair idea whether the person smoked a joint almost a month previously or last night

Drug testing as far as I know covers non prescription drugs. The only time it may become necessary to divulge medical hx if the drugs a person is taking are also able to be purchased off the street eg opiates, benzodiazapines, ritalin etc

I'd oppose it.

Tough to find scripture that actually deals with DRUGS, so I'll fall back to this one:


Most drugs will turn up on a drug test long after the effects have gone away, so it's not like you can determine if someone is "sober" while at work the same way you can show drunkenness with a breathalyzer. If someone smoked a joint at the start of the weekend, and then came to work Monday morning with their game face on, then I don't see why they should lose their job over that.

Clearly, I oppose people being incapacitated while at work. There should be limits as to how far into one's off-duty life an employer can intrude, and mandatory drug testing is invasive in ways beyond the pitting of personal scruples of the employer against the employee. For example, if an employee fails a drug test because of a prescription he or she is on - now they must divulge personal medical information to their employer or risk termination.

There may be some jobs where the messy scruples that can come up are outweighed by safety or health concerns. But MOST jobs are not those jobs. The job where I work is certainly not one of those jobs. I don't know too many of my co-workers who would be comfortable with divulging our medications and medical records to HR, and I don't see how the few employees who might have smoked a joint over the weekend are possibly incapable of doing their jobs effectively the rest of the week.

Also, if there IS some kind of issue with someone coming to work hung-over, high, or otherwise incapacitated... It's not exactly rocket science to figure that out. You don't need a drug test to say, "You are clearly not able to do your job right now. Go home, and if this happens again, you are fired."
 
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I have been working in paces with drug testing for many years. It is an excellent thing - helps offenders stay off of drugs and keeps people accountable.
Being in submission to rightful authorities and doing it with a humble spirit is scriptural.

Hopefully they provide help but in either case it is better for everyone that drugs are not part of the work environment
 
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As in mandatory.

I wouldn't care because I don't do drugs. An employer also has the right not to employ those who use illegal drugs. There is a practical reason for this as well. If an employee does something that triggers a law suit while being high on drugs, the company can be sued for not taking appropriate measures to ensure the employee was not in an impaired state of mind.
 
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As far as recreational use outside work, I still think the company could face legal ramifications. That aside, I think companies should have the right to decide what is best for their business, including their business image.

If you agree to not use drugs when you hire on then stick with the agreement. If it changes middle way through one's career, there is an argument for some type of arrangement if the drug is not illegal.
 
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