Will Christ Reign For 1,000 Years On The Earth? By A Ogden

TPeterY · Jul 7, 2014

ebedmelech said:
Here's the problem FOR ALL who ascribe to an earthly reign...it is Matthew 28:18:
18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Paul affirms as much in Ephesians 1:18-21, as he prays the Ephesian believers would realize Jesus reigns:
18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,
19 and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might
20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,
21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

To even think Christ is reigning is to deny His position RIGHT NOW, at the right Hand of God.

Colossians 1:15-20 does the same...AND Jesus, in Revelation says EMPHATICALLY...

"I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA..."

Jesus is reigning right now...the "thousand years" are not literal...but figurative of Christ reign until he judges the world and returns the reign to the Father as 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 says!

The reign is now!

ebedmelech said:
When you can disprove what Christ said in Matthew 28:18...THAT HE HAS "ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH" which is further affirmed by the apostles writngs...do that! Otherwise you're in denial of what Christ position is RIGHT NOW and has been since the cross!

Herbrews 1:3, 4:
3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

This is the position of Christ RIGHT NOW and it has been since He was raised from the dead!

You CANNOT refute that...therefore HOW IS IT THAT CHRIST DOES NOT REIGN?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7829806-14/

Apparently ebedmelech is telling us Matthew 28:18 means something in between Ephesians 1:18-21 and Hebrews 1:3-4.

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ebedmelech · Jul 7, 2014

Old Timer said:
It must get tiring pushing this ridiculous nonsense constantly..

This makes no sense at all..

I know...not to you anyway.

Old Timer said:
The beast is future as is Christ's coming..

No one denies a beast is already here. That should be understood in light of Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Rome...beasts that have come and gone.

Old Timer said:
Those in Revelation 20 are also future as they do not worship the (future) beast or his image and they reign with Christ a thousand years.. obviously when He comes as Revelation 19 miraculously details..

Who said they weren't? Once again it's easy to see your confused state because you can't even read what people say correctly.

Old Timer said:
This is beyond belief for me Eb, that professing believers go to these lengths to believe everything and anything EXCEPT what the simple truth actually does say.

Try to quote me asserting any such thing...you can't.

Codger · Jul 7, 2014

Interplanner said:
Just a note Codg: if the evil "army" surrounds "the Jerusalem above" (cp 21:3), we may not be looking at anything corporeal at all.[/QUOTE)

Right - it's a picture of Satan being allowed to utilize his billions of minions to cause a world wide attack on the people of God. One example will do. All that has to happen is for some international organization to pass a anti proselytizing law in the manner of Sharia law and once again just like under Domitian the blood will flow. Literal army? - I think not.

The spirit of Antichrist is very predictable and what we have seen in Roman history will continue throughout time. Satan is brilliant in his ability to influence human beings into doing what is evil all for good reasons.

Interplanner · Jul 7, 2014

Thanks, I hope the others will see your point.

Old Timer · Jul 7, 2014

ebedmelech said:
No one denies a beast is already here. That should be understood in light of Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Rome...beasts that have come and gone.

More ridiculous nonsense..

The beast isn't already here Eb, and he will not be revealed until that Day..
everyone knows that he is a future reality to be destroyed by the brightness of His coming..

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 7, 2014

Old Timer said:
More ridiculous nonsense..

The beast isn't already here Eb, and he will not be revealed until that Day..
everyone knows that he is a future reality to be destroyed by the brightness of His coming..

Not the Jews

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Interplanner · Jul 7, 2014

Caiaphas and Josephus knew he was.

Calminian · Jul 7, 2014

Interplanner said:
Were there unicorns back in those days?

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I know this was an attempt to undermine scripture, but yes, there were unicorns then, we're just not sure what it was. There have been many kinds. The elasmotherium, an extinct giant rhinoceros. Also could have been a aurochs (a kind of wild ox known to the Assyrians as rimu. actually had 2 horns, but they were so symmetrical they were often drawn showing just one, and hence they derived the name unicorn.

Unicorn merely means "single horn." There are even swimming unicorns (narwals).

Now it's likely not a horse as is portrayed today, and in more recent legends, but a single horned animal is no problem for science.

Some articles to further educate yourself:

Unicorns in the Bible?

Will the Real Unicorn Please Stand Up?

Unicorn Deer found in Italy

Unicorns, Satyrs, and the Bible
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Calminian · Jul 7, 2014

ebedmelech said:
...Jesus tells us He has all authority in heaven and on earth. but He's not reigning???

I know next to nothing of eschatology, but Christ talked about a future kingdom?

Matt. 6:10 Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.

Matt. 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’

Matt. 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

And doesn't Isaiah talk about a time when animals will no longer devour each other?

Looking at the world today, it sure doesn't look like heaven on earth.

Codger · Jul 7, 2014

Interplanner said:
Thanks, I hope the others will see your point.

The fact that the second coming is delayed causes confusion.. According to the eschatology of Jesus He was to return in 70AD. John tells his readers that the second coming will be after the final judgment of Rome. This happened in 410AD. Still delayed.. It is the best kept secret in the universe and God can't tell us because of the extremely negative effect that it would have on us. He always wants us to live in the now and not be waiting on the couch for his second coming on some fixed date out in the future.

Some here are confused by this term beast. For the sake of others I will mention this again. "Beast" is simply a symbol of human government. Daniel tells us about the four beasts or human empires that would control the known world over hundreds of years. When the book of Revelation uses the term "Beast" it is in reference to Daniels last beast - Rome. It is also interchangeably used to identify the man who controls the beast - the Emperor.

Revelation tells us that the beast and the false prophet will be captured and disposed of. This was simply the final destruction or judgment of Rome. Satan was loosed at the end of time to do his utmost to destroy the people of God. This is why the symbol of Gog and Magog is used because this is a reference to the war with Antiochus which was the first attempt to exterminate the people of God. The loosening of Satan will be the same once again. The end of chapter 17 is a review of history about the judgment of God on Rome with the fire of 64AD. This continues on in chapter 18. But the end of chapter 18 starting with I think vs 21 is the prophesy of the FINAL judgment of Rome -410AD.

Granted that the term beast is used to describe decadent human government and we still have beasts today. We live under a mild beast but other countries live under terrible beasts - like the late Saddam Hussain. but the term beast is used exclusively to describe the beast of John's day. I don't believe that the beast of revelation can be moved to our future as The people who ran the corrupt and ungodly empire of Rome are now gone - just like Revelation said would happen. There are still beasts in the world but not the one defined by John -it is long gone.

Calminian · Jul 7, 2014

Codger said:
...Granted that the term beast is used to describe decadent human government and we still have beasts today. We live under a mild beast but other countries live under terrible beasts - like the late Saddam Hussain. but the term beast is used exclusively to describe the beast of John's day. ....

This seems strange. The church was created to function inside governments. Prior, Israel was a self-sustaining nation, with a military and law enforcement. But the church was never built for that. It is always to function within governments, and law enforcement authority has been given to those governments by God (Romans 13). Those functions are not the job of the church. The churches deal in moral conduct, while the governments in legalities (not like Israel which handled both).

But you're saying all governments are beasts? That beast is just a metaphor for government? It would seem then, the church should get away from them, but that's not how God set it up. Why would He want the church to function within beasts? Just seems bizarre.

Old Timer · Jul 7, 2014

And of course the beast of Revelation is a man.. and is identified as a man and given a number representing a man..

And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The beast here coming up out of the earth is the man of sin.. whom the LORD shall destroy by the brightness of His coming..

mxyzpt1k · Jul 7, 2014

(We will need to understand what these figures mean, since they are not Literal Figures ... Christ is the Head of Heavenly Salvation and this ends when the Two Witnesses are Slain... Christ appoints the Antichrist (Called the Angel of the Bottomless Pit) as the head of the movement that brings mankind into the New Heaven and the New Earth)

AMOS 5:8 [Seek him] that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD [is] his name:

1. Christ 1000 Years ends at the 3 1/2 Days of Darkness.
2. Antichrist TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND THOUSAND reign begins at the 150 Days.

Earth Consumed by the Fire of Star Wormwood in Revelations

AMOS 5:6 Seek the LORD, and ye shall live; lest he break out like fire in the house of Joseph, and devour [it], and [there be] none to quench [it] in Bethel.
AMOS 5:7 Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and leave off righteousness in the earth,
AMOS 5:8 [Seek him] that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD [is] his name:

The Dimensions of the Water or Star Wormwood, are TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND THOUSAND. Because it deals with salvation to the New Earth and New Heaven, it is like descriptions of Angels or Men. The Antichrist is not given 200,000,000 Literal Spacecraft or Literal Rapture Locations, or Literal People to Save. The Earth is the Ark of the Antichrist from which Man will come forth ... Noah had his Ark from which life came forth ...

1. What dimension does 1000 Years refer to in Rev. 20:5?? It refers to Heaven, Jesus Reigned on Earth for 1000 years without the Daily Sacrifice that was removed with King David. (God goes away in Revelations, this is the point being made)

2. What dimension does TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND THOUSAND refer to in Rev. 9:16? Jesus cast TWO THOUSAND swine into the sea. Now the Earth is going to be Consumed by Star Wormwood/Nibiru, so now the Earth is being cast into the sea. The figure is not a literal number of humans, tools the antichrist will be given, or rapture locations we will be given.

What will the Antichrist be Given?

(IIIIIIIIIIIII ... cough ... the Antichrist will assess what he is given when he is given it. So far the universe has stated he will be given a number of spacecraft, he will delegate to others, to the churches to help promote the migration movement among the people ... and also rapture locations will be set up. Once again we cannot associate TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND THOUSAND to these figures, the Bible does not support this conclusions.

There are 13 Tribes described in Rev. 7, and 13 principalities, and 11 Not taken that do not belong to the Tribe of Ephraim as the language describes it being taken out of the way. There are 11 points to the Jewish Kabbalah, and 11 points to the design you were given.)

We have made a few common mistakes, but now we have a better understanding, and those common mistakes are now gone away.

Calminian · Jul 7, 2014

mxyzpt1k said:
...(What dimension does 1000 Years refer to in Rev. 20:5?? It refers to Heaven...

This also strikes me as very strange. Why would 1000 years, a finite number, but symbolic of heaven? There are certainly bigger expressions of numbers, and even expressions of infinity in the Bible. The number of angels for instance. I mean, the original antediluvians lived almost a thousand years. Why would God use this as a metaphor for heaven?

mxyzpt1k · Jul 7, 2014

mxyzpt1k said:
mxyzpt1k said:

...(What dimension does 1000 Years refer to in Rev. 20:5?? It refers to Heaven...

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Calminian said:

This also strikes me as very strange. Why would 1000 years, a finite number, but symbolic of heaven? There are certainly bigger expressions of numbers, and even expressions of infinity in the Bible. The number of angels for instance. I mean, the original antediluvians lived almost a thousand years. Why would God use this as a metaphor for heaven?

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JAMES 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

I deleted that statement, because I did not want the discussion to go in that direction. Remember King David removed the Daily Sacrifice around 1000 B.C.? God took away his spirit for 1000 Years until Christ had been Born. ... ... but God had not taken away his spirit because Nibiru or Star Wormwood had not been introduced for 1000 years. ... ... (it is only recorded previously in the bible surrounding Noah and the 150 days of the Flood) ... ... ... ... ... ... (meaning he had never given it in the first place (to the earth, instead another spirit)
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........ So, God is proclaiming that he never had spiritual authority over the Church, instead the figure of 1000 is a "dimension", and so is the figure of "TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND THOUSAND" ... then it is for this reason that the portion of man left behind must be slain, as a reprobate (resisting all authorities and powers, this is a clean way of saying something that I did not way to say).
........ (We do not want the whole world, no language in Revelations can be construed to say that the Antichrist will save the entire world, but the language can be construed to say that maybe the whole would can be saved with cooperation ... ... however, have they not already played into the hands of the antichrist by choosing destruction rather then life, and how much the more in the day of judgment? Through blindness and deceit ... at the end of the day, we certainly will cut down on the immediately conflict that could happen after earth)

ebedmelech · Jul 7, 2014

Old Timer said:
More ridiculous nonsense..

The beast isn't already here Eb, and he will not be revealed until that Day..
everyone knows that he is a future reality to be destroyed by the brightness of His coming..

The only thing ridiculous is your assertion. The first appearance of beasts is prophetically in Daniel. That's your first dose of ignorance.

The second is that your inability to correlate scripture...so you follow a money grabber like Hal Lindsey and follow his marching orders.

Understand that scripture is written for OUR LEARNING...so when you know a beast is defined as an empire OR the head of an empire...you begin there.

The beast and the false prophet are easy to see if you know the Old Testament...when it comes to that...you're at a loss...once again.

Calminian · Jul 7, 2014

mxyzpt1k said:
JAMES 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

I deleted that statement, because I did not want the discussion to go in that direction. Remember King David removed the Daily Sacrifice around 1000 B.C.? God took away his spirit for 1000 Years until Christ had been Born. ... ... but God had not taken away his spirit because Nibiru or Star Wormwood had not been introduced for 1000 years. ... ... (it is only recorded previously in the bible surrounding Noah and the 150 days of the Flood) ... ... ... ... ... ... (meaning he had never given it in the first place (to the earth, instead another spirit)
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........ So, God is proclaiming that he never had spiritual authority over the Church, instead the figure of 1000 is a "dimension", and so is the figure of "TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND THOUSAND" ... then it is for this reason that the portion of man left behind must be slain, as a reprobate (resisting all authorities and powers, this is a clean way of saying something that I did not way to say).
........ (We do not want the whole world, no language in Revelations can be construed to say that the Antichrist will save the entire world, but the language can be construed to say that maybe the whole would can be saved with cooperation ... ... however, have they not already played into the hands of the antichrist by choosing destruction rather then life, and how much the more in the day of judgment? Through blindness and deceit ... at the end of the day, we certainly will cut down on the immediately conflict that could happen after earth)

That's all very interesting (well, not really, as I have no idea what you're talking about). But why is 1000 years a metaphor for heaven? It seems to be very arbitrary.

Old Timer · Jul 8, 2014

ebedmelech said:
The only thing ridiculous is your assertion. The first appearance of beasts is prophetically in Daniel. That's your first dose of ignorance.

The second is that your inability to correlate scripture...so you follow a money grabber like Hal Lindsey and follow his marching orders.

Understand that scripture is written for OUR LEARNING...so when you know a beast is defined as an empire OR the head of an empire...you begin there.

The beast and the false prophet are easy to see if you know the Old Testament...when it comes to that...you're at a loss...once again.

And his number is the number of a man... but that doesn't matter right Eb, it's only what the word of God actually DOES say..

The beast of revelation is the man of sin... the one who shall have dominion over the earth for forty two months..

You go ahead and pretend that it was all in the first century with the rest who have no clue.

mxyzpt1k · Jul 8, 2014

Calminian said:
That's all very interesting (well, not really, as I have no idea what you're talking about). But why is 1000 years a metaphor for heaven? It seems to be very arbitrary.

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We will approach the figures from a different perspective
(1000 Reign of Christ - Darkness - TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND THOUSAND Reign of the Antichrist)

AMOS 5:8 [Seek him] that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD [is] his name:
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EXODUS 8:31 And the LORD did according to the word of Moses; and he removed the swarms [of flies] from Pharaoh, from his servants, and from his people; there remained not one.
EXODUS 8:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch out thy rod, and smite the dust of the land, that it may become lice throughout all the land of Egypt.
EXODUS 8:17 And they did so; for Aaron stretched out his hand with his rod, and smote the dust of the earth, and it became lice in man, and in beast; all the dust of the land became lice throughout all the land of Egypt.
EXODUS 8:18 And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not: so there were lice upon man, and upon beast.
EXODUS 8:19 Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This [is] the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.
EXODUS 8:20 And the LORD said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh; lo, he cometh forth to the water; and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me.

Amos 5:8 in red, is a description of the "Bride Clothed in White", that is the Holy Spirit that is given to man. This is in the Feminine Sense, but its referred to as a him, and it is called the Lord. ... ... Aaron is given Moses's Rod and gives the Dust Life, a picture of Christ being Slain before the Foundation of the World to give Man Life ... ... the Pharisees call Christ a man (he has a "finger of God"), but the Pharaoh says no, Christ is not the man. The Following day Moses approaches the Pharaoh when he goes to water (lament/sorrow), and Moses appears to reaffirm his conclusion.

Christ is a male, but when Christ has his elect in view, he is seen in the feminine context. I believe this is what they are teaching, and this is important for understanding the figure of 1000 as we will come to this conclusion.

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GENESIS 20:2 (TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND THOUSAND) And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She [is] my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah.
GENESIS 20:3 (Creation of Mankind in Sin, that is outside of Heaven) But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou [art but] a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she [is] a man's wife.
GENESIS 20:4 (Tribe of Juda Called in the name of David) But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?
GENESIS 20:5 (Two Witnesses Slain) Said he not unto me, She [is] my sister? and she, even she herself said, He [is] my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.
GENESIS 20:6 (1000 Reign of Christ) And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
GENESIS 20:7 (Reign of the Antichrist for 5 Months) Now therefore restore the man [his] wife; for he [is] a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore [her] not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that [are] thine.
GENESIS 20:8 (Tribe of Juda called a servant like the Tribe of Ephraim) Therefore Abimelech rose early in the morning, and called all his servants, and told all these things in their ears: and the men were sore afraid.

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Jesus Christ is seen as the Bride of the (Antichrist) Elect during "1000 Year Reign"
GENESIS 20:18 For the LORD had fast closed up all the wombs of the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah Abraham's wife.

Antichrist is seen as the Brother of Christ - Twelve Tribes are Given the Bride to Marry - 5 Months
GENESIS 20:2 (TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND THOUSAND) And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She [is] my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah.

Jesus Christ gives apart of himself as the Bride - Infinity - Barren Womb is Healed
GENESIS 20:17 So Abraham prayed unto God: and God healed Abimelech, and his wife, and his maidservants; and they bare [children].

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The Bible Jumps from 1000 (which is 1/6th of 6000 the Salvation Program), to 200,000,000 and then to Infinity. Heaven is gauged to 1000, based on a unit of 1, which is Christ. .............. We can say the value of 1000 existed when Christ was Born, when he actually "reigned", then it ends up going to some large multiple surrounding the Cosmic Shift, this has been progressive.

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The Bible teaches that Christ who has served as the Bride for his Elect only, ends up giving the Bride to Mankind (Christ gives up himself to mankind, through the gift of the Holy Spirit, which is like giving himself) ... ... we can only approach what the Bible is Teaching more accurately ... ... therefore I will revise my position ... ... Jesus Christ = 1 ... this value jumped to 1000 at the Crucifixion, at the END of his Reign on Earth this has equaled all of heaven at this time ... heaven has calculated this figure to reach 200,000,000 exactly when ... ... when the 150 Days Begins ... ... heaven views this figure as a representation that allows the SEAL to be removed forever to allow the ascension to take place.

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Heaven is counting Jesus many times ... the only intelligent thing I can say is, the rap* and murde* rates and abortion rates increasted incredible, and so has the baby boom in certain segments of the population ... that people are hard pressed to explain ... ...................... the hyperdimension is not a destructive force, Jesus is not a destructive force, the problem will be resolved soon, we were presented with an equation to gauge the process of humanity, one that allows us to understand the advent of the terrorism movement, the holocaust, and every evil of mankind that will be put to an end shortly, along with a great victory for mankind those going to the new earth and universe.

(Off Topic - At what point does Jesus stop saving people? I understand there are errors in some of the things I've said, but is it really necessary now, to destroy people, now that we've come to this truth ... ... and what if the Bible says that heavenly salvation stopped when the figure reached 1000, approximately at the crucifixion ... ... I do not believe this is the case, I believe that the Antichrist's resurrection marks the true end of this period that is around 200,000,000 when he is taken out of the way surrounding the 3 Days of Darkness ... ... This shows us how much mercy God puts into saving people, the few people he will save, it will be impossible not to identify them because a considerable number of cycles would of taken place just in these last few years... ...which also includes a great many no man can number, exactly as the bible says, this will bring us right into the day of judgment)

ebedmelech · Jul 8, 2014

Old Timer said:
And his number is the number of a man... but that doesn't matter right Eb, it's only what the word of God actually DOES say..

The beast of revelation is the man of sin... the one who shall have dominion over the earth for forty two months..

You go ahead and pretend that it was all in the first century with the rest who have no clue.

As usual what I said went right over your head. That's because the very way you force your view on the scripture, you read your idea of what I said, as opposed to what I actually said.

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